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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Moot said:
All you've said is that there were other options....you never said what they were or what you would do differently. I checked. So what are these mysterious other options that would have made Bundy either pay his grazing fees or remove his cattle? A lien isn't going to work for reasons I stated earlier to another poster, Tres.
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You apparently didnt look hard enough.
 
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Filthy McNasty said:
Now you are adding "screaming and hollering" to the list of your deductions? Such as joining a thread is "butting in" and asking a question is "attacking" and "insulting" you or trying to "moderate you" in rule breaking fashion. :screwy Your persecution complex is quite a raging one huh? Don't let the lack of any screaming or ALL CAP rants prevent you from acting otherwise now do you? Is it just a nervous condition or a pathology that you just pretend you don't know you are acting out?:confused:
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What, no apology? :2bigcry:
 
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Moot said:
I'm by no means an expert on turtles but as I understand it the endangered turtles in question actually eat cow dung. I know, eww. So its not a question of letting cows graze at all on the land, but rather limiting the number of cows to prevent land degradation that turtles live on and to prevent over grazing. Fences.....how do we know there aren't fences already and Bundy just lets them out when he rounds up a few head for auction? His cows are branded.
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We don't.

Besides all of this, I cannot find, or could not find court orders sent or directed at Bundy.

It must be somewhere, unless someone is required to file a document and cite the FOIA.

I don't know that his cattle are branded, most use ear tags nowadays.

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VanceMack said:
You apparently didnt look hard enough.
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Oh I looked real hard alright and you never said a word about what those options were. So the question still stands....what would you do differently than BLM, Vance?
 
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Moot said:
What, no apology? :2bigcry:
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I actually find it funny when people think that acting like they just can't catch a clue is some masterfully played debate strategery. The added feverishly imagined squealing, hollering, attacks and moderating are just added set dressing for some seriously bad over acting.:giggle1:
 
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Moot said:
Oh I looked real hard alright and you never said a word about what those options were. So the question still stands....what would you do differently than BLM, Vance?
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Obviously you didnt.Maybe your search was clouded by the insignificance and irrelevance of the effort. Start over.
 
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AJiveMan said:
We don't.

Besides all of this, I cannot find, or could not find court orders sent or directed at Bundy.

It must be somewhere, unless someone is required to file a document and cite the FOIA.

I don't know that his cattle are branded, most use ear tags nowadays.

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The court order is found on the BLM website. It's the 'October 9, 2013 Ruling' on page 2, line 12, number 4... where it clearly says that Bundy must not interfere with the round up.

Public Notices and Court Orders


The steer in the photo looks like he has an orange ear tag.
 
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VanceMack said:
Obviously you didnt.Maybe your search was clouded by the insignificance and irrelevance of the effort. Start over.
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If you don't believe me then look for it yourself.
 
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Filthy McNasty said:
I actually find it funny when people think that acting like they just can't catch a clue is some masterfully played debate strategery. The added feverishly imagined squealing, hollering, attacks and moderating are just added set dressing for some seriously bad over acting.:giggle1:
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I know, you're just full of little giggles, cutesy smiley faces, not so clever insight and ragging on people, aren't you.....tee hee hee. Anything to avoid to discussing the topic, eh?
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

zimmer said:
You wanted Wright's racist comments... of which you were obviously ignorant (and Farrakhan's ROTFLOL), and now you are equally ignorant about what Bundy stated.

You're off to a flying start here at DP. Congratulations.
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Obviously I wasn't ignorant of any alleged racist statement by Rev. Wright and non was supplied which I suspected.

Now you are attempting to shovel off the drivel that an idiot stating that negroes in fields picking cotton isn't racist...wtf

With observations as stupid as yours, you should totally refrain from using the term "ignorant."

If I have to refute intellects as dim as yours, I was off to a flying start as soon as I brushed my teeth this morning.
 
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grip said:
Other than Bundy being an obvious jerk, he has a right to try and make the government honor a prior commitment, though not with armed resistance, maybe a demonstration.

Personally, I think Cliven should pay his grazing fees and take a class on civil rights. Though the government is a little ridiculous the way they used such a heavy handed method, and not to try and help ranchers more by lowering the cost of fees.
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I think he should pay his fees and take a class in speaking & critical thinking, but I doubt that will happen (the second one).

In the end, I think he will settle on the fees.
 
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reconmark said:
Obviously I wasn't ignorant of any alleged racist statement by Rev. Wright and non was supplied which I suspected.
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So were just acting stupid? Don't think so, I think you've proven you've arrived from democraticunderground half cocked, badly informed and wholly excitable.
Remember this? Something about an ignorant race baiter.

reconmark said:
Tell you what, show us something that they said that was racist and we'll presume that you aren't an ignorant race baiter.
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Now you are attempting to shovel off the drivel that an idiot stating that negroes in fields picking cotton isn't racist...wtf

With observations as stupid as yours, you should totally refrain from using the term "ignorant."

If I have to refute intellects as dim as yours, I was off to a flying start as soon as I brushed my teeth this morning.
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Go back and read the entire quote, or watch it on youtube, and no... I will not do your homework for you.

On the subject of homework, I have the funny feeling you are in Junior High. Which grade exactly may I ask.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I think he should pay his fees and take a class in speaking & critical thinking, but I doubt that will happen (the second one).

In the end, I think he will settle on the fees.
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The government will drag him thru the court system and try to seize other assets, like bank accounts or property deeds, rather than risk another Media exposed confrontation. He might wake up one morning with all his ranching equipment, tractors, vehicles and valuable items seized and removed by experienced hired repo collectors.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

ecofarm said:
What Bundy really means to say is that blacks are naturally slaves. That's why they were slaves before and they are still slaves today (of a different sort). And he thinks the old system of allowing blacks to be slaves was better than the current one. That's the heart of his gibberish.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
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Has he made any comment that more Whites are on govt assistance than Blacks that welfare was originated to only assist White folk or that the very first recipients of welfare were Whites??..nope, it doesn't fit into the narrative.

White folks don't get abortions??...gee wow, I learn something new everyday.
Black men are in jail because they don't know how to pick cotton ?...wow, we just solved unemployment in this country. Get all those Black men back out into the cotton fields.

Are they better off as slaves, where the women as young as 12 and 13 were routinely raped, where the father couldn't defend them. Were they better off making others wealthy while living in hovels and dying in poverty and ignorance. Yeah they were better when they could be beaten and tortured for learning to read or write or attempting to escape to freedom. Were they better off when regarded as mere steps above the evolution of chimps and monkeys.
Were they better off when White people presumed to know what was best for them because they were all so mentally deficient that they couldn't survive without the paternal guidance of the White man.

Naw, nothing racist at all in those beliefs.
I'm done replying to you, if you want to persist in the charade of context excusing a person's belief that others should spend their lives in bondage and servitude to others, so be it.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

zimmer said:
So were just acting stupid? Don't think so, I think you've proven you've arrived from democraticunderground half cocked, badly informed and wholly excitable.
Remember this? Something about an ignorant race baiter.




Go back and read the entire quote, or watch it on youtube, and no... I will not do your homework for you.

On the subject of homework, I have the funny feeling you are in Junior High. Which grade exactly may I ask.
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Go back and read the entire quote, or watch it on youtube, and no... I will not do your homework for you.
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No need to read an entire quote, that's about as stupid as saying, "I love my nigras in the field, God made them stupid enough to be happy to pick cotton for me all their days."

Now, idiots like you would say, " Gee golly wittikers, he di'ent say nuthin racist. He said he "love his nigras." and then use that little snippet to justify the totally racist statement in and of itself.

Naw son, try that "context" b.s. with somebody in your intellectual sphere, it won't work up here at my level.
 
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Moot said:
If you don't believe me then look for it yourself.
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I dont need to look for them. I wrote them. You stated you dont care and frankly...I dont care enough about your opinion to be bothered. Its actually kinda funny this has become an object of concern for you again.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Moot said:
The court order is found on the BLM website. It's the 'October 9, 2013 Ruling' on page 2, line 12, number 4... where it clearly says that Bundy must not interfere with the round up.

Public Notices and Court Orders


The steer in the photo looks like he has an orange ear tag.
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Thanks for posting that link. Pretty much what I was looking for.
Basically, he's in contempt of court. I waiting for the other shoe to drop now.

Ear tags come in different colors, some are even RF ID.
Cattle Ear Tags - Eartagsdirect.com

My photo was taken in the Cibola NF in New Mexico.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cibo....380371&spn=5.119992,8.470459&t=m&z=7&iwloc=A
 
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beefheart said:
If you took 30 seconds to do the barest amount of research online you would find this at the BLM's own website:

The BLM fields a force of approximately 200 Law Enforcement Rangers (uniformed officers) and 70 Special Agents (criminal investigators) who enforce a wide range of laws and regulations in the prevention, detection, and investigation of crimes affecting public lands resources. These crimes include mineral resource theft; wilderness area violations; hazardous materials dumping; archaeological and paleontological resource theft and vandalism; cultivation, manufacture, smuggling, and use of illegal drugs; timber, forest product, and native plant theft; off-highway vehicle use; alcohol related crimes; and wildland arson.

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Point out the part where BLM rangers are authorized to use deadly force.
 
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apdst said:
BLM attorneys have to go to court, request a lien, then a judge will grant the lien, or not. A judge can't arbitrarily place a lien on someone's property.
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Federal prosecutor, after BLM makes the case and request.
I also told you that the BLM doesn't act unilaterally too. Some people here seem to think the BLM is this heavy handed agency which is out of control and can do anything it pleases, this is not true. The BLM operates within the laws.

Read Moot's post earlier about court orders handed down against Bundy. When the BLM and or federal officers showed up with firearms, they were well within the law in doing so.

Plaintiff = The US of A

Defendant = Bundy

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/media...File.dat/Dkt 35 Order Granting MSJ 7-9-13.pdf
 
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re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

apdst said:
Point out the part where BLM rangers are authorized to use deadly force.
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What deadly force? Someone died from the confrontation with the militia?
 
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apdst said:
Point out the part where BLM rangers are authorized to use deadly force.
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Silly CON dodge... ALL armed and commissioned law enforcement personnel are authorized to use deadly force. you think some PR website would say that? :doh
 
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apdst said:
Point out the part where BLM rangers are authorized to use deadly force.
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As law enforcement offices, they are. If one of those hillbillies started shooting, BLM would retrun force. That is what law enforcement officsers do. The militia dudes think they can use deadly force to protect their deadbeat racist, a law enforcement officer surely can. Correct?
 
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AJiveMan said:
What deadly force? Someone died from the confrontation with the militia?
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You hyperbolic force...
 
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