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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Ignorant again. Another mislead by the NYT who took his quote out of context; when in context he praises Mexicans and laments what the government has done to enslave black Americans.

They pulled this vile act in an effort to destroy him. The supposed rag of record.

Sorry, but only the ignorant would suggest that his statement had some sort of proper context...they used his own words and somehow "they" are the bad guys.
Do you usually believe others are the source of your failures??
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I wasn't aware that poverty we haven't seen since the 60's and an employment participation rate not seen since the 1970's was seen as being back on track....

It could have been worse.
 
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"let me tell you something else about the Negro"
Was he talking about "The negro" who works for him?
No . The context was that he was telling us about all negros everywhere.
That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?

A couple things:

1. "About the negro" was used to explain what a dismal state black America is in and this can be directly related to government "programs". Read Colin Powell's biography or something from Sowell or Walter Williams... all come to similar conclusions.Government intrusion has made things massively worse.

2. Your threshold for "racism" is pretty low, and when in put in context to his compassionate and respectful statement... fails.
Tell me, where was your outrage with Obama's racist mentor?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Sorry, but only the ignorant would suggest that his statement had some sort of proper context...they used his own words and somehow "they" are the bad guys.
Do you usually believe others are the source of your failures??
Read the statement in its entirety. Even someone mentally challenged could see there was no racism in it.

The NYT figured they would use a part of the quote to try to destroy the guy and figured once they did their dirty work, and morons who heard it from other sources like DU would spread it further and never be exposed to the truth... they'd achieve their goal.

The NYT smeared the guy in the worst way possible. He should sue their asses off for defamation.

What's amazing is even in context, and being able to see their was no racism... the Demokrat Soldats here keep droning out the lie.

I used to be a Lefty, but was too honest a person to stomach the garbage the Socialists sell... and this is among the most vile garbage.

Bon Apetit!
 
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The comment was quoted accurately ... the context and meaning were undenyingly clear.
It was clear.
Which is why it is so sad that you got it wrong and instead choose to make delusional false claims of racism.

Besides, you were already told you were wrong.

His use of "negro" bothers you? That is racist?
Nope.

The comments he made we respect and compassion for people and their work ethic, the family closeness, and disgust for a government that has provided assistance that has turned into enslavement. It's pretty damn clear.




Have you listened to Sean Hanity's disertation about Bundy's racism? He never mentioned the "left" and that is funny ...He usually does.
He didn't have to. His comments were in response to the believed spin the left put on it.
He then refused to fully listen so see his error.


Bundy was, and is, judged on the content of his own words.
Which were not racist.


Arbiter? no ...informed observer ? Yes.
Hardly. You are an uniformed observer who lets his own prejudices get in the way of rational thought.


The observations of Bundy's racism are coming from Right Left and Center. It is practically unanimous.
In your dreams it is practically unanimous.
When most folks with common sense see the whole video and even see his body guard says about him, they realized they have again been lied to by the left.


Would you go on record saying anything negative about a man who personally employs you?
See. This is how pathetic your position is. You have to suggest he is lying without any such evidence. It is an absurd ploy.


Bundy prefaced his comments with the phrase;
"let me tell you something else about the Negro"
Was he talking about "The negro" who works for him?
No . The context was that he was telling us about all negros everywhere.
That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?
It isn't racist, so of course it doesn't bother me.
But your false interpretation of it does.
Anybody who has any ability to discern what he is saying knows he is specifically speaking about the negro in the welfare state and it's deleterious effects on the negro race. Are trying to say welfare hasn't had a deleterious effect on the negro race?

Which means your discerner is broken, or influenced by an extremely biased thought process. Which just means it is broken as well.


Outside of you? there are not many.
False.
No one is defending a racist.




I need not bully anyone.
And yet you try.
Calling someone a racist who is not is a bully tactic.



You indict yourself...
Wrong. Your delusional false claims of racism indict you.
 
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So you would agree then that Occupy Wallstreet is a domestic terrorist organisation considering they actually DID use human shields right?
No weapons ...no terrorism...
 
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It was clear.
Which is why it is so sad that you got it wrong and instead choose to make delusional false claims of racism.

Besides, you were already told you were wrong.





He didn't have to. His comments were in response to the believed spin the left put on it.
He then refused to fully listen so see his error.



Which were not racist.


Hardly. You are an uniformed observer who lets his own prejudices get in the way of rational thought.


In your dreams it is practically unanimous.
When most folks with common sense see the whole video and even see his body guard says about him, they realized they have again been lied to by the left.



See. This is how pathetic your position is. You have to suggest he is lying without any such evidence. It is an absurd ploy.


It isn't racist, so of course it doesn't bother me.
But your false interpretation of it does.
Anybody who has any ability to discern what he is saying knows he is specifically speaking about the negro in the welfare state and it's deleterious effects on the negro race. Are trying to say welfare hasn't had a deleterious effect on the negro race?

Which means your discerner is broken, or influenced by an extremely biased thought process. Which just means it is broken as well.


False.
No one is defending a racist.




And yet you try.
Calling someone a racist who is not is a bully tactic.



Wrong. Your delusional false claims of racism indict you.
Proceed Excon ...Proceed...
 
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Which were not racist.

Wondering whether or not blacks were better off as slaves, and saying they have more freedom under slavery is racist in nature, and is reminiscent to arguments used by slaveholders that slavery was in the slaves best interest because the slave was taken care of and treated well.
 
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Wondering whether or not blacks were better off as slaves, and saying they have more freedom under slavery is racist in nature, and is reminiscent to arguments used by slaveholders that slavery was in the slaves best interest because the slave was taken care of and treated well.
I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
Or that of his body guard.




 
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Proceed Excon ...Proceed...

I did.
You were making false claims.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

A couple things:

1. "About the negro" was used to explain what a dismal state black America is in and this can be directly related to government "programs". Read Colin Powell's biography or something from Sowell or Walter Williams... all come to similar conclusions.Government intrusion has made things massively worse.

2. Your threshold for "racism" is pretty low, and when in put in context to his compassionate and respectful statement... fails.
Tell me, where was your outrage with Obama's racist mentor?
The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
I was correct...
Proceed zimmer...
proceed...
,
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
I was correct...
You are wrong as usual. It isn't racist.
 
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… what’s going on in white America, U.S. of KKKA …

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Who are these folks called again???
At one time in this country 50% or more of Southern city, county, state and Federal elected officials were members of the Klan and passed legislation adverse to all minorities, what would you call that??..yes it was racist and not by Jerimiah Wright.


Ku Klux Klan parades down Pennsylvania Ave 1928 - YouTube

“There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life.”

Do you have any idea of the number of Black people that went to college and were recruited by the FBI and CIA to spy on other Black people, gathering info that resulted in their deaths and destruction of personal lives?

COINTELPRO anyone?
COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day, and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[6][7][8] The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.[sic.]"[9]

FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive",[10] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the Civil Rights Movement, including Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left",

COINTELPRO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy.

Are you really trying to suggest that this comment is racist??...omg..where's the avatar for ignorance??
Yes Black men are fighting the wrong enemy, they should be fighting "stop and frisk", they should be fighting the fact that they will get three times the prison sentence for having a pound of crack vs the White guy with a pound of powdered cocaine, they should be fighting discrimination in the work place , mortgage market and the concerted efforts by some to portray all Black people as violent thugs, they should be fighting pathologies within the Black community.
Yet this is racist to you...how typical...


"You are not now, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be a brother to white folk," he said. "And if you do not realize that, you are in serious trouble."

Take that baby, him or her away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience … and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago … UCLA or UC-Berkeley,”... “Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs."

It's racist that Black people had other Blacks that spied on them and reported to racists???


Spies of Mississippi is a journey into the world of informants, infiltrators, and agent provocateurs in the heart of Dixie.

The film tells the story of a secret spy agency formed by the state of Mississippi to preserve segregation and maintain “the Mississippi way of life,” white supremacy, during the 1950s and ‘60s. The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission (MSSC) evolved from a predominantly public relations agency to a full-fledged spy operation, spying on over 87,000 Americans over the course of a decade.

The Commission employed a network of investigators and informants, including African Americans, to help infiltrate some of the largest Black organizations like National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and The Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). The MSSC was granted broad powers to investigate private citizens and organizations, keep secret files, make arrests, and compel testimony for a state that, as civil rights activist Lawrence Guyot says in the film, “was committed to an apartheid system that would make South Africa blush.”

Spies of Mississippi | Documentary about How a State Agency Spied on the Civil Rights Movement in the


He cited the writings of Bill Jones -- author of the book "Is God a White Racist?" -- as proof that white people cannot be trusted. "Bill said, 'They just killed four of their own at Kent State. They'll step on you like a cockroach and keep on movin', cause you not a brother to them.'

Are you pretending to be this ignorant???..
Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):
Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly
Allison B. Krause; age 19; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; died later that day
William Knox Schroeder; age 19; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a hospital while undergoing surgery
Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood
Do you think that these fatalities would have not occurred if the students were Black????...gtfo.
The system was not to be trusted and there was overwhelming evidence to support that conclusion, but that's racist to you..really?


He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.

And this is racist how??...Obama is not White, Rich or privileged. Again let's look at the context of this statement and then point out where it is factually incorrect or racist.
Obama's Pastor: "Hillary ain't never been called a nigger" - YouTube


He's not only a racist, he is anti-American... and was Obama's mentor for 20-years.

Yeah I guess some people will think it's racist for someone to point out how Blacks, Indians and Asians were really treated in this country is racist and anti-American.
Usually the folk who are ignorant of this country's history.


"Economist and social commentator Thomas Sowell wrote that there was "no way that [Obama] didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit." He wrote that Obama was "no ordinary member" of the church,..."

There really was no need to do this, as it is common knowledge Wright is an anti-American racist... and Farrakhan... I'm not going to waste my time.

Yep...ignorance personified and with the usual tactic employed by the less intelligent by taking quotes out of context.
Again, you have posted some out of context snippets of what the man said and so far have failed to show him as a racist. Keep trying.
 
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I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
Or that of his body guard.






Okay, so you post a video of his bodyguard, who is black, to prove that his comments weren't racist?

I don't expect everyone who is African-American to have the same opinion about Mr. Bundy.

So, back to his comments: In my opinion, Mr. Bundy's comments were racist in nature - if not racist, then at least extremely offensive and insensitive.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Read the statement in its entirety. Even someone mentally challenged could see there was no racism in it.

The NYT figured they would use a part of the quote to try to destroy the guy and figured once they did their dirty work, and morons who heard it from other sources like DU would spread it further and never be exposed to the truth... they'd achieve their goal.

The NYT smeared the guy in the worst way possible. He should sue their asses off for defamation.

What's amazing is even in context, and being able to see their was no racism... the Demokrat Soldats here keep droning out the lie.

I used to be a Lefty, but was too honest a person to stomach the garbage the Socialists sell... and this is among the most vile garbage.

Bon Apetit!

Please don't fling something this stupid my way again, it can damage my brain cells just by hitting me...


Can someone please point out anyone with an I.Q. over 50 that can rationalize the belief that some people were better off as human chattel was somehow better for them?
 
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The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
I was correct...
Proceed zimmer...
proceed...
,

I have to disagree, Buck. I don't think Bundy's use of the term "Negro" makes him a racist anymore than it makes my own mother a racist for still using the term "Oriental" when talking about Asians. It's just ignorance, that's all.

But the rest of Bundy's speech....yeah, that definitely had racist overtones. But again, as despicable as it was, I think it came more from ignorance and Bundy's lack of media savvy than anything else.
 
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Please don't fling something this stupid my way again, it can damage my brain cells just by hitting me...


Can someone please point out anyone with an I.Q. over 50 that can rationalize the belief that some people were better off as human chattel was somehow better for them?
No reasonably smart, sane person believes that.

Hell, unless I misunderstood what he said, Bundy doesn't even believe that.
 
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Okay, so you post a video of his bodyguard, who is black, to prove that his comments weren't racist?
No, not to prove his comments weren't racist, but to show what a black man who works for him on daily basis thinks.
While it isn't definitive, he likely to know by his interaction if he was or not.
I hope you are not like those racist who want to pathetically suggest, without evidence, that he is lying. :shrug:


I don't expect everyone who is African-American to have the same opinion about Mr. Bundy.
Interesting.
I am of the opinion that every educated non-biased adult should have the ability to discern between that which truly is and that which isn't.
That allows for the uneducated and biased to be wrong. Or, everybody regardless of color, not being of the same opinion. :)



So, back to his comments: In my opinion, Mr. Bundy's comments were racist in nature - if not racist, then at least extremely offensive and insensitive.
Sounding racist does not mean they are racist. And I don't play that PC crap. Sensitive is meaningless and has nothing to do with being racist.


As the following poster put it.
I will say that what Bundy said does sound racist. When you take all the evidence, it's a little more nuanced than that.
 
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… what’s going on in white America, U.S. of KKKA …

“There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life.”

Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy.

"You are not now, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be a brother to white folk," he said. "And if you do not realize that, you are in serious trouble."

Take that baby, him or her away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience … and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago … UCLA or UC-Berkeley,”... “Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs."

He cited the writings of Bill Jones -- author of the book "Is God a White Racist?" -- as proof that white people cannot be trusted. "Bill said, 'They just killed four of their own at Kent State. They'll step on you like a cockroach and keep on movin', cause you not a brother to them.'

He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.

He's not only a racist, he is anti-American... and was Obama's mentor for 20-years.

"Economist and social commentator Thomas Sowell wrote that there was "no way that [Obama] didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit." He wrote that Obama was "no ordinary member" of the church,..."

There really was no need to do this, as it is common knowledge Wright is an anti-American racist... and Farrakhan... I'm not going to waste my time.


Wow.....I would expect stuff like that on Stormfront.
 
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I have to disagree, Buck. I don't think Bundy's use of the term "Negro" makes him a racist anymore than it makes my own mother a racist for still using the term "Oriental" when talking about Asians.
It is getting to the point that using Asian can be found to be offensive.
 
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It is getting to the point that using Asian can be found to be offensive.

"Asian" is offensive?
 
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So sorry it didn't turn out like WACO for you.
Im sorry they felt the need to send in an army of federal agents in the first place to collect a debt. Thats pathetic...almost as much pathetic as your continued defense of their actions.
 
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"Asian" is offensive?
Getting to that point and actually being there, are two different things. But yes, I find that starting to be the case.
 
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Okay, so how does enforcement of the law work if law enforcement is met with armed resistance?
You get of course that everythign we see on TV today is NOT what life has been like for the last 20 years...right? He says he will surrender to the County Sheriff if it comes to that...HAVE that discussion. He says he will pay the state but not the fed...FINE...put that to the test.

Seriously...are you yet another one of those that believe this was their best and only option? To send in an armed fed force only to get bitch slapped and sent running? THATS it?

Just want to know who I am laughing at in advance.
 
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