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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Many desperate folks trying to salvage this man... Theyll say anything to defend these truly racist comments.

When an old white guy starts out by saying

"let me tell you something else about the Negro"

That isnt likely going to be a savory statement.
 
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VanceMack said:
Bush? Why...because Clinton ****ed it up? :lamo

You just cant help yourself.
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What did Bush do?
 
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Moot said:
What did Bush do?
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He (like Clinton) apparently didnt think it warranted action. Clinton AND Bush DIDNT spend more sending in armed feds only to have them get turned out and NOT collect the debt. So...they spent zero dollars accomplishing the same thing THIS administration did.

And its just beyond embarrassing that you STILL insist on trying to blame this administrations actions on everyone else. :lamo
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Many desperate folks trying to salvage this man... Theyll say anything to defend these truly racist comments.

When an old white guy starts out by saying

"let me tell you something else about the Negro"

That isnt likely going to be a savory statement.
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In all fairness to the old man....my mom still calls Asians...Orientals.
 
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VanceMack said:
He (like Clinton) apparently didnt think it warranted action. Clinton AND Bush DIDNT spend more sending in armed feds only to have them get turned out and NOT collect the debt. So...they spent zero dollars accomplishing the same thing THIS administration did.

And its just beyond embarrassing that you STILL insist on trying to blame this administrations actions on everyone else. :lamo
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You don't have a clue what anyone thinks let alone Bush, Clinton or Obama.


The feds backed off because Gov. Herbert refused to allow the BLM to auction off the cows in Utah so they didn't have anywhere to take them. Had they gone to auction the government would have gotten their money back.

Herbert was afraid of the militias showing up at the auctions and causing trouble. He was also afraid that Bundy would become the face of the state land grab over federal lands and he didn't want that...especially after his racially toned comments.
 
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Moot said:
You don't have a clue what anyone thinks let alone Bush, Clinton or Obama.


The feds backed off because Gov. Herbert refused to allow the BLM to auction off the cows in Utah so they didn't have anywhere to take them. Had they gone to auction the government would have gotten their money back.

Herbert was afraid of the militias showing up at the auctions and causing trouble. He was also afraid that Bundy would become the face of the state land grab over federal lands and he didn't want that.
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Gotcha! It wasnt Bush's fault OR Clintons fault. It was all Governor Herberts fault. Well...you knwo...as long as nothing ever is this administrations responsibility.

:lamo

And...why did you then keep trying to drag Bush into the mix? Oh...yeah...THATS right....


:lamo
 
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zimmer said:
The guy shows respect and compassion for both Mexicans and blacks[/B]... and his point, though not too eloquent was... they're slaves of a different kind... now they are slaves of the state and by the federal government's doing.
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That is an asinine comparison ... no one owns anyone by giving them assistance.

zimmer said:
Where is the outrage towards the NYT for trying to destroy this guy[/B] by taking his quotes way out of context?
Where the fark is it?????????????????????????????
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Bundy single handedly destroyed himself... His speech and follow ups can be read or watched, in total, almost everywhere.
He had the support of much of the right wing. With one unsolicited speech he is left with only the support of racists and extremist nutjobs.

zimmer said:
These NYT assholes are far more vile than racists[/B]... don't you think?
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No I don't think so... No group of humans can be more vile than racists.
Racists are the biggest, vilest assholes by far.
 
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VanceMack said:
Gotcha! It wasnt Bush's fault OR Clintons fault. It was all Governor Herberts fault. Well...you knwo...as long as nothing ever is this administrations responsibility.

:lamo

And...why did you then keep trying to drag Bush into the mix? Oh...yeah...THATS right....


:lamo
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Talking to you is like talking to a piece of dead wood. Good night, Vance.
 
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Moot said:
Talking to you is like talking to a piece of dead wood. Good night, Vance.
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Right. THATS been the problem. NOT your kneejerk defense of all things administration. NOT that you tried to excuse and blame this administrations actions on Bush. NOT that that blew up in your face. NOT the repeated attempts to place the responsibility for choice and particularly...failure...on anyone other than the administration. :lamo

A little music to play you to send you off to bed...

 
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VanceMack said:
Gotcha! It wasnt Bush's fault OR Clintons fault. It was all Governor Herberts fault. Well...you knwo...as long as nothing ever is this administrations responsibility.

:lamo

And...why did you then keep trying to drag Bush into the mix? Oh...yeah...THATS right....


:lamo
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The grazing fee on government land was established by an EXECUTIVE ORDER given by President Ronald Reagan...:lamo
In 1986, President Reagan issued an Executive Order (EO)
that put in place a market-based fee formula, using the
Public Rangelands Improvement Act (PRIA) formula.
 The fee is calculated according to three factors: current
private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the
cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or
stays the same based on market conditions.
The EO set a minimum for the fee, in the event that market
factors brought the fee below $1.35 per animal unit month.
The fee has remained at that level for decades, indicating
that ranchers are actually experiencing costs that would, by
the formula, make the fee lower than $1.35.
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http://publiclandscouncil.org/CMDocs/PublicLandsCouncil/New Website/PLC Grazing Fee.pdf
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Many desperate folks trying to salvage this man... Theyll say anything to defend these truly racist comments.

When an old white guy starts out by saying

"let me tell you something else about the Negro"

That isnt likely going to be a savory statement.
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What seems to be lost on most racists is that Bundy didn't say , some negros ...or many negros...or even, most negros... He said THE negro...
Lumping all people with dark skin under one heading. That single phrase prefacing his speech may be the most racist thing he said that day.
This kind of language is so common among racists and bigots they see nothing wrong with it.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
The pen is mightier than the sword( or gun)

Bundy will lose if he tries to argue his case in court.
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He already has;
The Bundy standoff is a 20-year legal dispute between the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and cattle rancher Cliven Bundy in southeastern Nevada over unpaid grazing fees eventually developed into an armed confrontation between protesters and law enforcement. The dispute began in 1993 when grazing rules were changed and Bundy refused to pay the new bills to the US government for his cattle grazing on BLM-administered lands near Bunkerville, Nevada. In 1998, Bundy was prohibited from grazing his cattle on the Bunkerville Allotment by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada in United States v. Bundy.[2] In July 2013, the BLM complaint was supplemented when federal judge Lloyd D. George ordered that Bundy refrain from trespass on federally administered land in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County
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Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Buck Ewer said:
... no one owns anyone by giving them assistance.
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LOL... no... but the government has done a bang-up job giving "assistance."
Just look at the enslaving rot it has created. Or are you unfamiliar of what a tremendous job government and its community organizers have done? Which was Bundy's point... clearly evident except for those who prefer to defend their being mislead by the vile and deplorable NYT.

Bundy single handedly destroyed himself... His speech and follow ups can be read or watched, in total, almost everywhere.
He had the support of much of the right wing. With one unsolicited speech he is left with only the support of racists and extremist nutjobs.
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The message was one of compassion, respect and disgust for the plight of people enslaved by a government that has done tremendous damage.

I wonder... did Obama's mentor and his best buddy, two racists... disgust you enough not to vote for him twice?
Why do you support someone mentored by a racist?
 
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VanceMack said:
You want to keep pressing your fairy tale hypothetical scenario? Your like minded buddies here apparently think your hypothetical posings are rather...whats the word they used...lame.

Try a realistic scenario, since you and I both know quite clearly that if in your hypothetical musing the conflict involved inner city gangs this would never have come to light, you would have never said a word about it, and the administration would have ignored it. And since you already know my opinion on what they did as a means of debt collection, what makes you think I would feel any differently about collecting a debt from inner city gangs?

Its really rather pathetic that you STILL believe that sending in an army of people to collect a debt was the right thing to do and gosh...really...it was their only option. Its especially embarrassing that you support the administration playing what you believe to be their ONLY card and getting turned out and made to look like little bitches. How did that debt collection thing work out again? How much did it cost the taxpayers to NOT collect the debt?
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Buck Ewer said:
Well I guess you need to talk to all the people in the republicon party who have run away from this asshole because of his racist diatribe.
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They did not run away from any racist. They ran because they believed the spin placed on it by the left, which has thoroughly been discredited by what he actually said.


Buck Ewer said:
People who supported his cause when he was just anti-American and can't wash their hands fast enough to distance themselves from his vile racist stink.
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And as there isn't any vile racist stink, your thinking, like the propaganda they bought into, is wrong and the only stink.


Buck Ewer said:
Smart republicons know to distance themselves and their party from his racist claptrap.
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You are hardly the arbiter of what a smart republican is.


Buck Ewer said:
Republicons have enough trouble with a racist image without associating with,
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If the idiots on the left would stop making their false claims, there would be no problem.


Buck Ewer said:
and supporting a man who is probably the most famous racist on the planet today.
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Oy vey! This comment flies in the face of what was actually said by him, and by what a black person who knows him a hell of a lot better than you do has said of him.



Buck Ewer said:
But yeah keep defending his racist rant trying to defuse and deny what everyone sane in your party knows.
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No one is defending a racist.
Since you do not seem to understand that, point out where he said his race was better than others.
But since we know you can, stop with your false claims of racism.



Buck Ewer said:
By defending racists who preach racism you are defining yourselves in no uncertain terms...
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No one is defending a racist.


Buck Ewer said:
We will all remember what you have said...
Proceed...
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo! iLOL

Let's see.
You make false claims of racism, can't back it up, and just because I point out the claims are false, you then try and bully me.
It figures. This is typical behavior of those pushing false narratives/claims.

You can created all the false memories you want.

iLOL
:lamo:lamo:lamo



Those were not the words of a racist. So again, get to proving he is.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
What seems to be lost on most racists is that Bundy didn't say , some negros ...or many negros...or even, most negros... He said THE negro...
Lumping all people with dark skin under one heading. That single phrase prefacing his speech may be the most racist thing he said that day.
This kind of language is so common among racists and bigots they see nothing wrong with it.
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:doh
Your opinion of what he said is just absurdly wrong.
 
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Strucky said:
It WAS overkill and not even done with any kind of competence at that.I do not support Bundy and I think he SHOULD pay any fees he owes the government,however there are better ways to collect fees then send in swat teams and helicopters to round up cattle at a cost that is GREATER than what is owed.
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It's all about cost? What happened to rule of law? You guys used to make a big deal of that but now? I guess it is all a matter of WHO is enforcing the law not the laws themselves. The Govt. acted correctly and competently. I suppose you would have rather had a shoot out so you could bitch about it like Ruby Ridge.
 
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unless he was reading a line from a movie or something, I cant imagine what context would help.
The Mark said:
I haven't read any news stories about it, but I can see how easy it would be to edit out a few paragraphs and make it seem ridiculously racist rather than mildly so.
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It seems the arguement is on "degrees" of racism. This of course is based solely outward expression.

What usually festers to the surface is an indication of the putrid goings on inside.
 
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Call me nuts but I WANT the Clippers to win the NBA Finals, or at least get to the Finals. Here's my take: The best way to keep this controversy from being swept under the rug is to put the spotlight on the Clippers. Imagine the NBA finals with an empty stadium. Imagine the news that would create. Globally. I think a lot of people harbor racist attitudes deep down but usually shut up about it. I think its a problem in the US but especially internationally and much if not most of the globe looks to America as its social, political and cultural leader. This helps bring it out in the open to be addressed.
 
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VanceMack said:
'He' apparently missed that someone else offered the hypothetical argument. And apparently, you did to. Just then. There. No...RIGHT THERE.

You DO get that I wasnt the one that OFFERED the hypothetical in the first place...right? Funny how you both missed that part.
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But YOU are the one who kindly told us how we'd feel about it.
 
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Smeagol said:
Call me nuts but I WANT the Clippers to win the NBA Finals, or at least get to the Finals. Here's my take: The best way to keep this controversy from being swept under the rug is to put the spotlight on the Clippers. Imagine the NBA finals with an empty stadium. Imagine the news that would create. Globally. I think a lot of people harbor racist attitudes deep down but usually shut up about it. I think its a problem in the US but especially internationally and much if not most of the globe looks to America as its social, political and cultural leader. This helps bring it out in the open to be addressed.
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Wrong thread homie
 
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Kobie said:
Wrong thread homie
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Oops! Getting my racists mixed up.
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Buck Ewer said:
The grazing fee on government land was established by an EXECUTIVE ORDER given by President Ronald Reagan...:lamo

http://publiclandscouncil.org/CMDocs/PublicLandsCouncil/New Website/PLC Grazing Fee.pdf
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And it was ignored by Bundy starting when?

And let me ask you. WHY...considering it was MOOT who attempted to press responsibility for the administrations actions onto BUSH did you ignore HER and feel the need to comment on MY response TO her?

VERY...telling...
 
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Wiseone said:
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Well...at least you didnt offer another ridiculous fairy tale fantasy hypothetical that your like minded posters think is 'lame'.
 
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