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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

And seriously, if Cliven Bundy's posse had "driven off" Federal agents who were enforcing the law, but had been wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats, the right wing would literally be demanding an airstrike.

In some peoples minds, only Muslims are terrorists, whereas putting women and children at the front lines of a stand off between the government and an armed militia is "patriotism".

:roll:
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Um, they want to arrest him in due process, please point out to me where one of the BLM's stated goals is to kill bundy. Get real man.

If anything, it's been the militia groups who have come to Bundy's aid who have tried to escalate the violence just to gain attention much like Waco, TX or Ruby Ridge several years ago. And please, don't get me wrong. IMO, the government was wrong in both cases because the agents involved used poor judgment and excessive force even though the law was on their side. But in this case, I'd say the BLM & FBI have both used good judgment and restraint. Yet, at every turn it appears they're being provoked to strike first blood.

Bundy should just give up while he still can.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?

But again, apdst, it was Bundy and the militia groups that came to his defense who forced the government to spend that $2M. But like I said, had this been a private landowner and not the fed, you'd be all for it.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?

How is it rational to just ignore enforcement of the law because someone resisted hard enough?
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to just ignore enforcement of the law because someone resisted hard enough?

As I learn more and more about this situation, one thing is apparent to me: For a political party that claims to be strong supporters of "the law" - because you always hear someone on the Right claiming to be "law abiding citizens", it sure is ironic to see them supporting a guy who is clearly violating federal law just to make a personal anti-government statement.

I mean, Right-Wingers are so quick to point out, for example, how illegal aliens have violated federal law by merely crossing the U.S./Mexico border and should pay a fine if they want to remain in the U.S. But when a cattle rancher is given permission to graze a specific amount of cattle provided he pays the proper permit fee but instead chooses not to, suddenly he's trumped up as a "patriot".

Tell me all you Republicans out there who support Bundy's cause: Where's your rigid defense of upholding the law now?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

IOW, you're saying that stupid negro needs a white boy from Holland to tell him what racism really is?

:roll: If you really think that's an accurate characterization of what he said, you're beyond help.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Have you read 1984? Because comparing the duly elected president to Big Brother is a pretty big leap.

Of course. Along with Animal Farm, Burmese Days, Down and Out in Paris and London, The Clergyman's Daughter, The Road To Wigan Pier, Homage To Catalonia, Keep The Aspidistra Flying, Coming Up For Air, his assorted papers, essays, diaries, and newspaper articles.

Of his "Nine Majors" I'd rank 1984 a solid 4. Homage, Down and Out, Keep the Aspidistra (I have one in my living room I've named Blair in honor of) Flying in the 1-3 spots.

Now that we've put my knowledge of George's works to rest allow me to say if you had understood 1984, you wouldn't have posted as you had.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Of course. Along with Animal Farm, Burmese Days, Down and Out in Paris and London, The Clergyman's Daughter, The Road To Wigan Pier, Homage To Catalonia, Keep The Aspidistra Flying, Coming Up For Air, his assorted papers, essays, diaries, and newspaper articles.

Of his "Nine Majors" I'd rank 1984 a solid 4. Homage, Down and Out, Keep the Aspidistra (I have one in my living room I've named Blair in honor of) Flying in the 1-3 spots.

Now that we've put my knowledge of George's works to rest allow me to say if you had understood 1984, you wouldn't have posted as you had.

Oh I understood it, and there is a big difference between Winston Smith being arrested for questioning the government, and BLM officials trying to bring a man to justice for refusing to pay his fees, ignoring court orders, and surrounding himself with armed militia.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

It isn't just that he is black, it is what he says.
Or are you just too damn prejudiced to see that?


Warning signs?
Bs!
You look at what was said, how it was said, and what was actually meant.

And if the idiots could past the point of their false claims of racism, maybe we get started actually discussing and coming up with ways to fix the problem that he sees in the condition of the black man enslaved to the welfare state.


Nothing he said was racist.
And this crap about sensitivities is bs.





That is because you bother to consider what he meant by what he said.





Wtf? He didn't judge them.
And no, he is not a racist. That is an idiotic claim.
And no, racists do not use the words he used in the way he used them. So can your bs.
He spoke directly to the welfare state and how it has harmed the negro race.

And if anybody thinks the following is what a racist would say, their thinker isn't on straight.
I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
Well I guess you need to talk to all the people in the republicon party who have run away from this asshole because of his racist diatribe.
People who supported his cause when he was just anti-American and can't wash their hands fast enough to distance themselves from his vile racist stink. People like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Sean Hanity and Fox News in general.
Smart republicons know to distance themselves and their party from his racist claptrap. Republicons have enough trouble with a racist image without associating with, and supporting a man who is probably the most famous racist on the planet today.
But yeah keep defending his racist rant trying to defuse and deny what everyone sane in your party knows.
By defending racists who preach racism you are defining yourselves in no uncertain terms...
We will all remember what you have said...
Proceed...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Show me where the BLM has the authority to collect a simple debt by use of deadly force. Thaaaaanks!

You didn't answer my question.

You have to have LEO with you when you confront a bunch of yahoos bent on using their guns against you.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Oh I understood it, and there is a big difference between Winston Smith being arrested for questioning the government, and BLM officials trying to bring a man to justice for refusing to pay his fees, ignoring court orders, and surrounding himself with armed militia.

Oh, so it's context and relation you are having trouble with, is it? ;)
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Oh, so it's context and relation you are having trouble with, is it? ;)

i just see it as a comparative stretch. I feel like Orwell if he were still alive would not see this as his distopian future coming to fruition. (Disclaimer: of course I can't definetly say what a dead man would think, IMHO I just don't think the author would agree)
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Show me where the BLM has the authority to collect a simple debt by use of deadly force. Thaaaaanks!

The only reason they brought "deadly force" was because of Bundy's previous comments regarding "doing whatever is necessary" to prevent seizure of his cattle and the accompanying not-so-subtle threat of violence.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Show me where the BLM has the authority to collect a simple debt by use of deadly force. Thaaaaanks!

All law enforcement personnel have authority to use deadly force when their lives are in danger.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

i just see it as a comparative stretch. I feel like Orwell if he were still alive would not see this as his distopian future coming to fruition. (Disclaimer: of course I can't definetly say what a dead man would think, IMHO I just don't think the author would agree)

Considering his politics and opinions of -- he would definitely enjoy he irony of a conservative following...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Well I guess you need to talk to all the people in the republicon party who have run away from this asshole because of his racist diatribe.
People who supported his cause when he was just anti-American and can't wash their hands fast enough to distance themselves from his vile racist stink. People like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Sean Hanity and Fox News in general.
Smart republicons know to distance themselves and their party from his racist claptrap. Republicons have enough trouble with a racist image without associating with, and supporting a man who is probably the most famous racist on the planet today.
But yeah keep defending his racist rant trying to defuse and deny what everyone sane in your party knows.
By defending racists who preach racism you are defining yourselves in no uncertain terms...
We will all remember what you have said...
Proceed...

:lamo Not today he's not! Today, that title goes to Donald Sterling, owner of the Los Angeles Clippers. (Not meaning to divert the thread, but boy did he show his true colors and put his foot so far down his throat he can feel the pumps spewing stomach acid.)
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?

Gotta link for that 2 million cost?
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?

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re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

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I'm wondering what he meant myself.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

As I learn more and more about this situation, one thing is apparent to me: For a political party that claims to be strong supporters of "the law" - because you always hear someone on the Right claiming to be "law abiding citizens", it sure is ironic to see them supporting a guy who is clearly violating federal law just to make a personal anti-government statement.

I mean, Right-Wingers are so quick to point out, for example, how illegal aliens have violated federal law by merely crossing the U.S./Mexico border and should pay a fine if they want to remain in the U.S. But when a cattle rancher is given permission to graze a specific amount of cattle provided he pays the proper permit fee but instead chooses not to, suddenly he's trumped up as a "patriot".

Tell me all you Republicans out there who support Bundy's cause: Where's your rigid defense of upholding the law now?

I'm sorry,but not too many of us on the Right support Bundy or his actions as a number of us in this thread have been saying over and over and over....
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

IOW, you're saying that stupid negro needs a white boy from Holland to tell him what racism really is?

Yes, that is exactly what I said :roll:

I will say what my opinion is when and where I see fit and if you do not like it, so be it. I think the statements of Bundy point to a racist attitude when it comes to African Americans and their history, especially when it comes to racism and if you are of a different opinion so be it. I however am not going to change my opinion based on your bullying attitude and insulting ways.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly then.

It seemed to make sense in context.

Edit: See, from my perspective I see Bundy as an inarticulate fool who might be a racist (I'm not sure about the last because it might just be his foolish choice of words rather than racism).

That's what I got from listening to the audio and reading a transcript someone posted earlier.

Perhaps I'm giving him too much benefit of doubt.

You might be right but I am of the opinion that it is a bit racist attitude and maybe what irritates me most is his cavalier attitude to forced servitude like slavery and that he even dares to suggest that they were better off in those days compared to how African Americans are today.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You might be right but I am of the opinion that it is a bit racist attitude and maybe what irritates me most is his cavalier attitude to forced servitude like slavery and that he even dares to suggest that they were better off in those days compared to how African Americans are today.
It sounded like he was partially thinking out loud.

That is something I am notorious for doing, so I can sympathize.

There's some thoughts that just shouldn't be voiced, because they're the kind of thing you examine and discard/revise.

I heard him say (to paraphrase) "sometimes I wonder if black people might have been better off during slavery, because at least they had family".
Regrettably, however well-meaning he MIGHT have been when saying that, he obviously is either unaware of how bad things were in terms of family for some/all slaves....or he doesn't care/is racist.

The result is that he looks like a giant asshat.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?

Is it rational for someone to desire that a confrontation has to end in a fight?
 
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