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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Who else does the left defend when they don't pay their cattle grazing fees?
The post I responded to dealt with welfare. If the left is suddenly opposed to people living off the state that would certainly be news to me.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Don't make an argument you don't mean. You want this guy to get his welfare, but not other people. Why is that?

Then why is the right ready to open fire on the federal government to protect this guy's welfare?
I didn't defend this guy or his living off the backs of others. I simply pointed the hypocrisy of the left suddenly upset that someone would get something for nothing--that is the essence of their entire ideology.
 
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Partisan righties don't realize how easy they make this stuff sometimes.

So eager to anoint this guy as the new poster boy for the "Guns, God, and Limited Government" club that they forgot that people who spend their lives wrangling cattle in the desert usually don't spend a lot of time worrying about things like political correctness and racial sensitivity. I figured that eventually the left would find a way to bring out the race card, I just didn't think it would be served up on a silver platter like this.

The interesting part will be what comes next. There was such an uproar and such a groundswell of support for Mr. Bundy when the feds moved in the first time. I wonder what the level of support will be when they come back for round 2? Same guy, same situation, same "overreaction" by the government. Nothing is different except for the fact that now Mr. Bundy's feelings about Blacks have been made public. There's nothing illegal about being a bigot so I figure that they're kind of in a conundrum if all of the sudden he is deemed unworthy of the same defense as he was prior to these racial remarks... "Well, I guess it's okay for the feds to roust this guy now that we know that we can't use him for political gain."

The militia nuts are a bunch racist pigs as well, they wont be going away from the guy. Hell they like him even more now.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I dont believe you can call a debt collection being blocked by hundred of armed militiamen "simple." And if its so simple why wasnt it done 20 years ago?
Perhaps because they didnt feel like it was an issue? I dont know...why dont you ask Clinton?

This whole episode was an embarrassment from the get-go. The administration cant resolve something like this...AT ALL. Pathetic.
 
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They've moved it over to the left now...third news story from the bottom. Apparently, Fox is making it a little difficult to find this story by moving it around. Can't say I blame them.

Bundy's a classic example of how some people see things from within their own world view lumps everything together. He sees Black living the way they do in government housing and automatically assumes every Black person lives that way.

I've never lived in the projects and my children have all worked since their early teens. Some people need to stick with what they know and never be given the opportunity to speak so freely to the public. Otherwise, their true "colors" come out and they say stupid stuff.

Their true colors have always been out. It's just that their "code words" got a lot more obvious recently.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

I saw an interview with this guy and he seems barely capable of forming complete thoughts. Almost kinda feel bad for him.

What an idiot.
And yet he managed to turn the administration out like a bitch. So...what does that say about them?
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

And yet he managed to turn the administration out like a bitch. So...what does that say about them?

They are more rational then the farmer and his militia.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

And yet he managed to turn the administration out like a bitch. So...what does that say about them?

Um...I guess worse, then? Is that what you wanted to hear?

The guy seems like a step above Forrest Gump, it's kinda sad.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Perhaps because they didnt feel like it was an issue? I dont know...why dont you ask Clinton?

This whole episode was an embarrassment from the get-go. The administration cant resolve something like this...AT ALL. Pathetic.

I don't think Clinton would know, or that Bush would know, because I don't think they or any other President gets personally involved in these kind of situations. That's why we have department secretaries, regional managers, etc.

BUT I suppose it would be possible that Obama could send in the FBI to mount a siege of Bundy's ranch, would that preferable? Personally I don't give a **** how many of those people die, I think we'd all be better off with more of them dead, but some law enforcement could be killed as well.

Do you even agree with Bundy's position on grazing fees and the existence of the Federal Government? Or are you just upset with the inability to collect the debts for those fees?
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

And yet he managed to turn the administration out like a bitch. So...what does that say about them?

Would you have preferred an all out gun fight?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Afte r20 years of ignoring it lets start with what we WOULDNT have done. We WOULDNT have sent in an army of armed federal agents.

You do realize they had already taken him to court, gotten an injunction against him having the cows on that property, and a court issued fine as far back as the 90's that has had multiple court orders to pay over the last 20 years, all of which he refused to comply with?

This wasn't step 1. This was step 20, my friend.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

Would you have preferred an all out gun fight?

You know the answer to that question is he absolutely would have preferred that.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

He'd be able to call Obama a Stalinist or something if that happened. Since it didn't, he's able to call Obama weak. Win-win.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

OK: How is a guy getting something for free from the Federal government not welfare? Why should Bundy get welfare, and why does the extreme right want to defend his welfare with violence if necessary?

I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Who else does the left defend when they don't pay their cattle grazing fees?

No one, of course, because you people hate private industry.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.

So they should just let it go. It's up to the government to provide him with grazing land?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

No one, of course, because you people hate private industry.

So he should just get to graze his livestock on federal land for free? Government provided real-estate?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

1) Bundy isn't from The South. They don't have maps in Holland?

2) You're going to judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few assholes?

You bitch about Bundy, then justifu your comments by condoning racism and bigotry.

I said maybe they dislike white southerners for attitudes like Mr. Bundy. I did not say that he was a southerner only that White Southerners are said to have attitudes like Mr. Bundy and the other individuals I mentioned. I do not say that all Southerners had these kinds of opinions. And yes, we have loads of maps in the Netherlands. But this has nothing to do with maps but with no reading what I wrote.

I do not bitch about Bundy, I have an opinion about Bundy and that opinion is that I do not condone racism and bigotry. If you think that opposing racism and bigotry is racist and bigoted than so be it, not my problem if you think that.
 
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So they should just let it go. It's up to the government to provide him with grazing land?

No, the clowns should have placed a lien on his ranch and collected the money on installments, instead of spending 2 million dollars to not collect 1 million dollars and prove to the world that our government is operated by ****ing idiots. Now, their THREE million dollars in the hole.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

What do you know about racism? You live in one of the whitest countries in the world. The black American bodygaurd has truckloads more credibility than you do. If he isn't freaked out, you shouldn't be either.

I did not say anything about that bodyguard. But again, having a black bodyguard does not mean one cannot have a racist attitude and the words of Mr. Bundy at least point to a racist and offensive attitude. And of course of being a moron, anyone who honestly questions if people were better off as slaves needs to have his head examined because IMHO anyone who actually thinks that is insane. And disagreeing with someone is not freaking out.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.

What was unlawful about it? Show your work.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.

With the cost of beef, I question why they buried the cows they shot instead of donating the meat to the food bank! I doubt they had a vet on hand to determine overall health, so who decided what cattle to shoot, and why! What a waste! I read that Texas is currently attempting to thin the herds of wild hogs - thousands of them are slated to be killed - but they are giving the meat to the local food banks. Too bad our government didn't have the same foresight! :2mad:

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

Would you have preferred an all out gun fight?
No. For the hundredth time, I would have preferred they chose a better solution. As it is, you people stand behind a stupid decision to send in an army of federal agents at a cost FAR greater than ANYTHING they ould have collected, only to have those agent get turned out like bitches. I think its embarrassing as hell that so any people truly believe their best and really ONLY option was to do what they did and they FAILED even at that. This administration is so completely inept they cant handle a DEBT collection...and you think word leaders aren't laughing their asses off?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You do realize they had already taken him to court, gotten an injunction against him having the cows on that property, and a court issued fine as far back as the 90's that has had multiple court orders to pay over the last 20 years, all of which he refused to comply with?

This wasn't step 1. This was step 20, my friend.
Step 20 was to allow yourself to be made to look like a bunch of inept clowns?

Well played!!!
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I don't think Clinton would know, or that Bush would know, because I don't think they or any other President gets personally involved in these kind of situations. That's why we have department secretaries, regional managers, etc.

BUT I suppose it would be possible that Obama could send in the FBI to mount a siege of Bundy's ranch, would that preferable? Personally I don't give a **** how many of those people die, I think we'd all be better off with more of them dead, but some law enforcement could be killed as well.

Do you even agree with Bundy's position on grazing fees and the existence of the Federal Government? Or are you just upset with the inability to collect the debts for those fees?
Since posting on this topic I have CONSISTENTLY said I thought Bundy is a douchebag. My problem is and always has been the completely inept manner in which they decided it was time to do something, that they spent more in collecting the debt than they could possibly have collected, that THIS was the best solution they could come up with, and at the end of the day...they got punked.
 
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