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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

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AJiveMan said:
:roll:
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You think when the Bundmeister was speechifying his cotton pickin' they's better as slaves do da in front of his supporters they all dropped their pitchforks, clapped their hats and said,

na mang, we wuz with you up until you went Klan on us, outta here.

Doubt it.
 
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AJiveMan said:
:roll:
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:doh :lamo
You can roll eyes all you want. The same applies to you, You are still wrong. Nothing he said was racist.
 
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Paperview said:
They reveal themselves with every post.
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Pretty much.

Even conservative politicians know what over or crossing the line means. The one's that supported him jumped his ship like rats, they know better than to support someone with racist views.
 
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Excon said:
Wrong.
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"Now come on boys, where's your spirit? I don't hear no singing!

When you was slaves, you sang like birds.

C'mon, how 'bout a good old [Negro] work song?
 
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AJiveMan said:
Pretty much.

Even conservative politicians know what over or crossing the line means. The one's that supported him jumped his ship like rats, they know better than to support someone with racist views.
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Cliven Bundy: All hat, no chattel.
 
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Paperview said:
You think when the Bundmeister was speechifying his cotton pickin' they's better as slaves do da in front of his supporters they all dropped their pitchforks, clapped their hats and said,

na mang, we wuz with you up until you went Klan on us, outta here.

Doubt it.
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There you go again being wrong, and speaking that disparagement, hatred, and intolerance.
But I suppose it should be expected from you.
So, are you going to actually try and discuss the topic or are you going to continue to be disruptive?
 
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Paperview said:
Listen, number one Zimmerman fan -- in no world, no how, no way is someone "wondering" if "negroes" would be be better off as slaves, owned human beings as farm implements -- not racist, ignorant and disparaging.

It is not "words of concern."

In no world.
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About the only thing he was concerned about was circumventing court orders, and trying to appeal to a certain right wing demographic, mainly the haters. He thinks the government made laws protecting people's civil rights are overstepping. He probably doesn't believe there should be any civil rights laws, which is probably the reason for his comments about the negro picking cotton.
 
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AJiveMan said:
About the only thing he was concerned about was circumventing court orders, and trying to appeal to a certain right wing demographic, mainly the haters. He thinks the government made laws protecting people's civil rights are overstepping. He probably doesn't believe there should be any civil rights laws, which is probably the reason for his comments about the negro picking cotton.
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I will agree with you Bundy is wrong when it comes to the law. I one supports the rule of law then you must support it when you lose in Court

However the Feds were just as wrong when then sent in the Obama Storm Troopers, heavily armed, with attack dogs and Tasers all to collect a past due bill. The Feds have obtained a Judgment which will be paid eventually. But unlike others, the Feds refused to wait their turn and decided to bring the full wright of government down on one US citizen

Sort of like how Obama did with the IRS and Tea Party groups
 
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JW Radcliff said:
I will agree with you Bundy is wrong when it comes to the law. I one supports the rule of law then you must support it when you lose in Court

However the Feds were just as wrong when then sent in the Obama Storm Troopers, heavily armed, with attack dogs and Tasers all to collect a past due bill. The Feds have obtained a Judgment which will be paid eventually. But unlike others, the Feds refused to wait their turn and decided to bring the full wright of government down on one US citizen

Sort of like how Obama did with the IRS and Tea Party groups
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I have not agreed with you on anything at DP.

I've heard stormfront is a right wing hangout, sometimes I wonder if some of it spills over to this place.
 
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Paperview said:
Listen, number one Zimmerman fan -- in no world, no how, no way is someone "wondering" if "negroes" would be be better off as slaves, owned human beings as farm implements -- not racist, ignorant and disparaging.

It is not "words of concern."

In no world.
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To whom are you speaking?
 
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AJiveMan said:
I have not agreed with you on anything at DP.

I've heard stormfront is a right wing hangout, sometimes I wonder if some of it spills over to this place.
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Wow so much for that liberal civility I have heard so much about

Seems your sneer lights up every thread you post on
 
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JW Radcliff said:
I will agree with you Bundy is wrong when it comes to the law. I one supports the rule of law then you must support it when you lose in Court

However the Feds were just as wrong when then sent in the Obama Storm Troopers, heavily armed, with attack dogs and Tasers all to collect a past due bill. The Feds have obtained a Judgment which will be paid eventually. But unlike others, the Feds refused to wait their turn and decided to bring the full wright of government down on one US citizen

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Wait their turn??

What the....?

Numerous times has this case been before judges. You know that. The latest court order I provided was issued by a judge as to the remedy. The BLM's task is to provide the law enforcement to carry out the remedy in the order.

It's been twenty years he's been breaking the law.

Bundy and his crew have been threatening for years they will do "whatever they have to" to keep the BLM from rounding up his trespass cattle, and reminding the government - a government he doesn't recognize ---> he has guns and will use them.

To suggest Law Enforcement shouldn't be armed appropriately is ridiculous.
 
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Paperview said:
Wait their turn??

What the....?

Numerous times has this case been before judges. You know that. The latest court order I provided was issued by a judge as to the remedy. The BLM's task is to provide the law enforcement to carry out the remedy in the order.

It's been twenty years he's been breaking the law.

Bundy and his crew have been threatening for years they will do "whatever they have to" to keep the BLM from rounding up his trespass cattle, and reminding the government - a government he doesn't recognize ---> he has guns and will use them.

To suggest Law Enforcement shouldn't be armed appropriately is ridiculous.
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The wheels of justice turn very slowly. In my job I have seen people living in houses where they have not made a payment in 5 years or more. They string things out with bankruptcy filings and demands for loan documents

But I have never seen the bank send in armed men and attack dogs to take back the property

The Feds have a Judgment and they have to wait. BTW the Judgment has not been in place for 20 years. But then again under this regime they believe everything should happen on their timetable
 
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JW Radcliff said:
The wheels of justice turn very slowly. In my job I have seen people living in houses where they have not made a payment in 5 years or more. They string things out with bankruptcy filings and demands for loan documents

But I have never seen the bank send in armed men and attack dogs to take back the property

The Feds have a Judgment and they have to wait. BTW the Judgment has not been in place for 20 years. But then again under this regime they believe everything should happen on their timetable
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Do you understand law enforcement was carrying out the orders of the court?

Wait?? How long do they wait? Till he dies?

This has been going on for a long, long time, court case after court case, all ruling against him, attempts to get him to comply with the law, all for naught.

Heck, look at this article from 2012

BLM puts Gold Butte cattle roundup on hold
April 11, 2012 - 6:07pm

By Keith RogersLAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

"Safety concerns for people involved with rounding up hundreds of renegade cattle belonging to Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy prompted the Bureau of Land Management to suspend indefinitely its plan to impound the herd, the local BLM manager said Wednesday."

BLM puts Gold Butte cattle roundup on hold | Las Vegas Review-Journal

He's been threatening them for a long time and said he would "do whatever it takes" to keep breaking the law of a government he doesn't even agree exists.

Timeline: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/range-war-timeline-even
 
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Paperview said:
Do you understand law enforcement was carrying out the orders of the court?

Wait?? How long do they wait? Till he dies?

This has been going on for a long, long time, court case after court case, all ruling against him, attempts to get him to comply with the law, all for naught.

Heck, look at this article from 2012

BLM puts Gold Butte cattle roundup on hold
April 11, 2012 - 6:07pm

By Keith RogersLAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

"Safety concerns for people involved with rounding up hundreds of renegade cattle belonging to Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy prompted the Bureau of Land Management to suspend indefinitely its plan to impound the herd, the local BLM manager said Wednesday."

BLM puts Gold Butte cattle roundup on hold | Las Vegas Review-Journal

He's been threatening them for a long time and said he would "do whatever it takes" to keep breaking the law of a government he doesn't even agree exists.

Timeline: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/range-war-timeline-even
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Again if support the rule of law then you must support al of it. Seems to me the lefties here only want to enforce the laws that benefit them while ignoring the laws governing the financial judgment

They seem to have no issue with the Obama Storm Troopers pouring with guns pointed at a rancher and his family while ignoring the due process of collecting a past due bill

Also I have seen the foreclosure process take as long as 6 to 7 years. Yet I have yet to see a bank send in armed in to take back their property
 
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JW Radcliff said:
Again if support the rule of law then you must support al of it. Seems to me the lefties here only want to enforce the laws that benefit them while ignoring the laws governing the financial judgment

They seem to have no issue with the Obama Storm Troopers pouring with guns pointed at a rancher and his family while ignoring the due process of collecting a past due bill

Also I have seen the foreclosure process take as long as 6 to 7 years. Yet I have yet to see a bank send in armed in to take back their property
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Bundy doesn't "support the rule of law."

He HAD his due process.

And he continued to flaunt the law. There's a word for that.

This isn't "a bank" we're talking about. He's ripping off the Federal government - you and me, and all the other law abiding taxpayers.

And yes, when you have been found by a court, more than once - to be trespassing -- and you or your property continue to trespass, armed enforcement will be called in.

having
arms
in
an
area
where
snipers
were
pointed
at
law
enforcement,

does not sound like an out of proportion response,

especially considering Bundy and his crew have been threatening for years they will do "whatever they have to" to keep the BLM from rounding up his trespass cattle, and reminding the government he doesn't recognize,

he has guns and will use them against law enforcement.
 
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Paperview said:
Bundy doesn't "support the rule of law."

He HAD his due process.

And he continued to flaunt the law. There's a word for that.

This isn't "a bank" we're talking about. He's ripping off the Federal government - you and me, and all the other law abiding taxpayers.

And yes, when you have been found by a court, more than once - to be trespassing -- and you or your property continue to trespass, armed enforcement will be called in.

having
arms
in
an
area
where
snipers
were
pointed
at
law
enforcement,

does not sound like an out of proportion response,

especially considering Bundy and his crew have been threatening for years they will do "whatever they have to" to keep the BLM from rounding up his trespass cattle, and reminding the government he doesn't recognize,

he has guns and will use them against law enforcement.
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You are exaggerating.
He does recognize the Federal Gov and their purpose.

Sooner or later the State will be taking it's land back from the feds who should not have it.
And Bundy will still graze his cattle, while they fertilize the land with their manure.
 
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Paperview said:
Bundy doesn't "support the rule of law."

He HAD his due process.

And he continued to flaunt the law. There's a word for that.

This isn't "a bank" we're talking about. He's ripping off the Federal government - you and me, and all the other law abiding taxpayers.

And yes, when you have been found by a court, more than once - to be trespassing -- and you or your property continue to trespass, armed enforcement will be called in.

having
arms
in
an
area
where
snipers
were
pointed
at
law
enforcement,

does not sound like an out of proportion response,

especially considering Bundy and his crew have been threatening for years they will do "whatever they have to" to keep the BLM from rounding up his trespass cattle, and reminding the government he doesn't recognize,

he has guns and will use them against law enforcement.
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I made it clear that Bundy is wrong. What more do you want form me?

As far as the people showing support for Bundy - it was the Feds who showed up armed to the teeth all to collect a past due bill. It was typical over reaction and show of force from an admiration that love to flex its muscles in the faces of its own citizens

And were "shocked" when the serfs tending the fields decided to show up with their own weapons

BTW Bundy is on the record saying he would surrender to the local sheriff

Also the local Dem politicians were egging things on with comments like how those supporters had better have made their funeral arrangements in advance.

But backs down and cowers to our foreign enemies
 
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Excon said:
:naughty
No, you are, as already shown.


He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.

To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
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You are incorrect. I took nothing out of context, or at least nothing out of the context I am aware of.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I agree.

One way to look at this is if a racist makes disparaging or denigrating comments about minorities, does the person realize in their own mind that his or her comments are disparaging, denigrating or racist? Most likely not.
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I don't think bundy is a racist.

His remarks were, however, unintentionally disparaging of black persons, and therefor unintentionally racist.
 
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The Mark said:
You are incorrect. I took nothing out of context, or at least nothing out of the context I am aware of.
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I see you want to keep going round and round.
Figures.
You are wrong again as previously shown.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.​

He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.

To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
I don't think bundy is a racist.

His remarks were, however, unintentionally disparaging of black persons, and therefor unintentionally racist.
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I'm not so sure. I believe his comments were, and people have differences of opinions as to what is and what isn't.
 
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Excon said:
I see you want to keep going round and round.
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So do you.
Excon said:
Figures.
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Yep.
Excon said:
You are wrong again as previously shown.
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I haven't been shown wrong now, let alone previously.

Excon said:
Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.​
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Unless you are aware of context that I am not, you are lying. I have repeatedly told you that my position is based on what I heard Bundy say, in context.

Excon said:
He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
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Yes he was.
Excon said:
He was not unwittingly racist.
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Yes he was.
Excon said:
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.
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That's laughably false. There are so many faulty assumptions and generalizations it's painful to listen to.

Excon said:
To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
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I do not.

I think YOU are the one taking things out of context.

That, or you're aware of context that I am not.
 
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The Mark said:
So do you.
Yep.
I haven't been shown wrong now, let alone previously.

Unless you are aware of context that I am not, you are lying. I have repeatedly told you that my position is based on what I heard Bundy say, in context.

Yes he was.
Yes he was.
That's laughably false. There are so many faulty assumptions and generalizations it's painful to listen to.

I do not.

I think YOU are the one taking things out of context.

That, or you're aware of context that I am not.
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I see you want to keep going round and round.
Figures.
You are wrong again as previously shown.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.​

He was not disparaging, unintentionally or otherwise.
He was not unwittingly racist.
And in context, there were no faulty generalizations or assumptions.

To even suggest such, you have to take what he said out of context.
It is dishonest to say otherwise.
 
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