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SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

tres borrachos said:
Like I said - the beauty of America is that we can all raise our children as we see fit. With all due respect, I don't take parenting advice from strangers on a message board. You do what works with your children, and my husband and I will do what works with ours. Okay?
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Again, factually, not children. Young adults. Perhaps school isn't for them?
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, factually, not children. Young adults. Perhaps school isn't for them?
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You seem very interested in my children. Why is that? I have no interest in how you are raising yours.

My children are all going to college if they want to. The good news for you is, you don't need to pay for them. So I'm not sure why your obsession with my children, but hey, whatever makes you happy.

Have a great night Boo! By the way, that was one of my favorite books.
 
Erod said:
Or, teach them to pull it out of their ass like man-made global warming.
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Like I said, critical thinking, research, and scientific process. Just because you don't understand science or these things is another issue altogether.
 
tres borrachos said:
Of course they have. My kids all play hockey and travel with their teams, and one of their teammates usually brings along his father's Playboy magazine. They also have all had the required health classes in school where they learned about body parts. No, they don't have internet access at home so none of them see porn in our house.

But what does any of that have to do with what I posted? And why did you put "children" in quotes? I have 3 - all teenagers. And yes, I carried them all in my uterus, so I consider them children, and not puppies.
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worrying about their sensiblities after playboy and hockey "sleepovers" is like worrying about the gate after the horses has left the corral... Unless it is that "gay" thing you object them to being exposed to.

"children" means in this context...treated like but not.
 
vash1012 said:
Governments trying to suppress the discussion of homosexual issues in universities is a fabricated issue? Clearly not.

People advocating for preventing homosexual couples from adopting children is a fabricated issue?

The Defense of Marriage Act preventing homosexual couples from attaining benefits that heterosexual couples have is fabricated? (You know, the one that was found unconstitutional like it should have been)

Civil unions may solve some of those problems, but there are still states who are voting to ban even those, preventing homosexual couples from having any access to those issues you mentioned. That isn't fabricated either.

Being call perverts and abominations and a danger to traditional values and all sorts of other things by OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS isn't fabricated either.

This is 10-15% of our population that are still being treated with utter disrespect and contempt in the public setting on a daily basis and have less rights than the rest of us. That is un-American as un-American can be. Individual freedom doesn't stop when you stop liking the thing that people do with that freedom. Every other minority group has had their fight for their rights and it was long and grueling and had people just like you telling them their cause wasn't valid, but every single one of them eventually WON because your position can't hold up to rational thought about how denying things to one group fits into the prescribed purpose of America.
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10-15 percent?

ROFLMAO
 
Boo Radley said:
Like I said, critical thinking, research, and scientific process. Just because you don't understand science or these things is another issue altogether.
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No, I understand it just fine, especially how the Scientific Method has been scrapped altogether for what is politically and financially expedient to the university.
 
tres borrachos said:
You seem very interested in my children. Why is that? I have no interest in how you are raising yours.

My children are all going to college if they want to. The good news for you is, you don't need to pay for them. So I'm not sure why your obsession with my children, but hey, whatever makes you happy.

Have a great night Boo! By the way, that was one of my favorite books.
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I'm interested in young adults being allowed to grow up. Helicopter parents have causes enough damage. We are all better off if they parents stop doing more harm.
 
1750Texan said:
worrying about their sensiblities after playboy and hockey "sleepovers" is like woorying about the gate after the horse has left the corral... Unless it is that "gay" thing.

"children" means in this context...treated like but not.
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I will chalk it up to ignorance that you inserted the "gay thing" as it's painfully obvious you didn't read my other posts in this thread, nor any of my MANY posts on this board in support of gay rights.

I don't worry about their sensibilities. And I never said "sleepovers". What is with your incessant uses of quotes?

Raise your offspring as you see fit. I will do the same for my "children".

Have a night night.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm interested in young adults being allowed to grow up. Helicopter parents have causes enough damage. We are all better off if they parents stop doing more harm.
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That's nice. I'm sure there are plenty of fatherless young adults in the section 8 housing in your state you can mentor, Boo. I don't have fatherless young adults who need your interest.

And I'd appreciate it if you stop implying that I'm a bad parent. It's none of your business. Thank you.
 
Erod said:
No, I understand it just fine, especially how the Scientific Method has been scrapped altogether for what is politically and financially expedient to the university.
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Nope, it doesn't seem you do. But that is, again, another issue altogether.
 
tres borrachos said:
That's nice. I'm sure there are plenty of fatherless young adults in the section 8 housing in your state you can mentor, Boo. I don't have fatherless young adults who need your interest.

And I'd appreciate it if you stop implying that I'm a bad parent. It's none of your business. Thank you.
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No, abuse anywhere is all of our business. Can't you see the need for adults to be adults?
 
Erod said:
10-15 percent?

ROFLMAO
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Okay so I was off base on that. I was quoting the number of people who have had homosexual experiences in their lifetime and not people who identify as LGBT.

Regardless, the number doesn't matter.
 
tres borrachos said:
I will chalk it up to ignorance that you inserted the "gay thing" as it's painfully obvious you didn't read my other posts in this thread, nor any of my MANY posts on this board in support of gay rights.

I don't worry about their sensibilities. And I never said "sleepovers". What is with your incessant uses of quotes?

Raise your offspring as you see fit. I will do the same for my "children".
Have a night night.
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as it is your right...just as it is your right not to send them to any college that might offend your sensibilities.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Modern book burning.

Ans it isn't just your state. I'm a North Carolinian and we have some of the same ideological ignorance in our State House.

I'm also a Republican and have been all my life. I'm what could be called a Goldwater Republican. I'm trying to open peoples eyes and hearts from within. There are a lot of GOPers like me, although you wouldn't know it by watching TV news or reading the newspapers. The problem is that the Religious Right has gained a lot of power, both within the party and in politics as whole. As a Christian, I disagree with these peoples interpretation of the Bible. Especially those parts they use to excuse and justify hate. Jesus didn't hate anyone, but some of his so called followers damn sure do and do so in His name.
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I am going to go out on a limb, the bible teaches love it also teaches homosexuality is wrong. God loathes the act of homosexuality so much he destroyed sodom and gomarrah over it.

I would say God would not condone teaching homosexuality either.

homosexuality should not be taught in ANY school system.
 
votemout said:
I am going to go out on a limb, the bible teaches love it also teaches homosexuality is wrong. God loathes the act of homosexuality so much he destroyed sodom and gomarrah over it.

I would say God would not condone teaching homosexuality either.

homosexuality should not be taught in ANY school system.
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#1. God doesn't dictate what's taught in our schools. Our schools are secular institutions by virtue of our Constitution. That is an inarguable fact.

#2. Talking about a subject in an open forum isn't teaching someone homosexuality. They aren't telling these kids to be gay or that they are wrong for having religious beliefs that say being gay is a sin. These students would have been able to be as vocal as they wanted about their view of homosexuality and learning to support your views in discussion is what the class they were in was about.

But you are more than entitled to your opinion on the subject and I respect your right to view things that way.
 
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Moon said:
That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
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Thought you might enjoy this:

While the father believed he was doing good, his son ended up feeling insecure, incapable and anything but empowered due to his father's meddling. These negative feelings are not uncommon among the children of helicopter parents.

A study by Holly Schiffrin, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Mary Washington, found that college students who had over-controlling parents also reported higher levels of depression, along with lower levels of life satisfaction.

"To find parents so closely involved with their college lives, contacting their tutors and running their schedules, is something new and on the increase," Schiffrin told Reuters. "It does not allow independence and the chance to learn from mistakes."

Too Much Parental Involvement Can Be Harmful To College Students
 
vash1012 said:
#1. God doesn't dictate what's taught in our schools. Our schools are secular institutions by virtue of our Constitution. That is an inarguable fact.

#2. Talking about a subject in an open forum isn't teaching someone homosexuality. They aren't telling these kids to be gay or that they are wrong for having religious beliefs that say being gay is a sin. These students would have been able to be as vocal as they wanted about their view of homosexuality and learning to support your views in discussion is what the class they were in was about.
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My bad i thought colleges where out there to TEACH. I forgot they have been nothing more then far left, communists for a very long time now.
As for this subject in a college setting they may not be teaching you how to BUTT eff your partner, they are simply trying to propagandize a very sick and disgusting behavior as normal and OK.

Doesnt mean God has to like what the schools teach does it? which was all i said I NEVER SAID God was involved in our schools. Its very obvious he isnt look at them. Total sh!tholes i would not send my children to any secular indoctrination center.
 
votemout said:
My bad i thought colleges where out there to TEACH. I forgot they have been nothing more then far left, communists for a very long time now.
As for this subject in a college setting they may not be teaching you how to BUTT eff your partner, they are simply trying to propagandize a very sick and disgusting behavior as normal and OK.

Doesnt mean God has to like what the schools teach does it? which was all i said I NEVER SAID God was involved in our schools. Its very obvious he isnt look at them. Total sh!tholes i would not send my children to any secular indoctrination center.
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Worse poor reading response I've seen in awhile. The teaching is in the discourse, the discussion, the debate. Such requires critical thinking skills, organizational skills, and reasoning skills, no matter which side your on. And teaching those is learning.
 
votemout said:
My bad i thought colleges where out there to TEACH. I forgot they have been nothing more then far left, communists for a very long time now.
As for this subject in a college setting they may not be teaching you how to BUTT eff your partner, they are simply trying to propagandize a very sick and disgusting behavior as normal and OK.

Doesnt mean God has to like what the schools teach does it? which was all i said I NEVER SAID God was involved in our schools. Its very obvious he isnt look at them. Total sh!tholes i would not send my children to any secular indoctrination center.
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No, God doesn't have to like it. That much is true, but entering into a discussion about the merits of a State defunding schools and trying to oust unopposed board of trustee members because of literature and plays with homosexual themes being used in the curriculum with that argument that God doesn't think its right isn't addressing the issue. Whether God, in your mind, thinks its right or not is irrelevant and has no bearing on a discussion of academic freedom in an institution that is secular by law.

Had your child been at that school and been required to read that short little graphic novel for a class, he or she could have stood up and spouted off exactly what your just said. He could have offended people and made them angry and no one could have told him not to because he has the right to have his opinions and speak on them, just like this institution has the right to freely decide what themes and topics they will ask their students to discuss.

How poorly formed are the opinions of these children you are so worried about being "indoctrinated" that their minds can be changed by a class discussion of a graphic novel?
 
votemout said:
I am going to go out on a limb, the bible teaches love it also teaches homosexuality is wrong. God loathes the act of homosexuality so much he destroyed sodom and gomarrah over it.
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The Bible teaches that we are not the ones to condemn and that is to be left to God. And you may want to do a little research on the Sodom and Gomorrah story. It was about more than just homosexual sex, although that's the single thing that fundamentalists and some others seem to grab on to justify their modern day attempts to demonize their fellow man.

Luke 6:37 / King James Version

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

votemout said:
I would say God would not condone teaching homosexuality either.
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No one is teaching homosexuality. These are colleges. I seriously doubt that any of those students need to be taught about what homosexuality is.

votemout said:
homosexuality should not be taught in ANY school system.
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First Amendment stuff there my friend. Both establishment and freedom of speech. Don't like it? Don't have your kid take that class. No one is requiring it.

And for a little lite reading, maybe you would like to read the following Bible passages about loving thy enemy:

(Matthew 5:43-44) (Matthew 19:18-19) (Matthew 22:36-39) (Mark 12:29-31) (Romans 13:9) (Galatians 5:14) (James 2:8) (Matthew 5:43-48)

Christians should continue to love our enemies, that is if we're talking about what the Bible actually says about the subject.

And as for these politicians a laymen that call themselves ministers of righteousness while condemning others, I feel that this particular verse speaks volumes about them:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 / King James Version

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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I have a number of friends and relatives that are gay or lesbian. And none of them are my enemies.
 
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