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Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

mac said:
First, if it were a US govt flag it would have to meet very specific parameters in accordance with US law. Very few flags in public use meet that. Second, it is the flag of the people of the united states...it represents the people and the nation, not the govt; the people that comprise the govt...not the government itself as an entity in and of itself. Lastly, every organ of the US govt has it's own flag....those are govt flags as they represent that particular dept...not the American people as a whole.

But yeah, you don't get it.
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13 stripes (Colonies), 50 stars (states).....but it is not representative of the govt (political organization)?

OK.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
13 stripes (Colonies), 50 stars (states).....but it is not representative of the govt (political organization)?

OK.
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No. It's representative of the Nation and of the people.
 
mac said:
No. It's representative of the Nation and of the people.
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it is the standard of the Union of States, the United States...of America...and DC is not represented.

To bad.
 
mac said:
First, if it were a US govt flag it would have to meet very specific parameters in accordance with US law. Very few flags in public use meet that. Second, it is the flag of the people of the united states...it represents the people and the nation, not the govt; the people that comprise the govt...not the government itself as an entity in and of itself. Lastly, every organ of the US govt has it's own flag....those are govt flags as they represent that particular dept...not the American people as a whole.

But yeah, you don't get it.
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I'm sure you get all unhinged at a yellow fringed flag...LOL
 
Somerville said:
What a freakin' surprise, Cliven Bundy is a liar when he says "My rights are before the BLM even existed,"
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Wow, color me shocked that a government controlled mouthpiece MSM (ie: CBS ) would resort to media matters talking points, useful only for discrediting the target....laughably transparent.
 
j-mac said:
Wow, color me shocked that a government controlled mouthpiece MSM (ie: CBS ) would resort to media matters talking points, useful only for discrediting the target....laughably transparent.
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Ah, so now the conspiracy goes to the evil "THEY". Media is controlled by them!

Down the rabbit hole goes the conspiracy theorists..
 
j-mac said:
Wow, color me shocked that a government controlled mouthpiece MSM (ie: CBS ) would resort to media matters talking points, useful only for discrediting the target....laughably transparent.
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Well, that's gibberish. How dare people report his actual words?
 
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jamesrage said:
Ancestral rights are irrelevant.The Bundys do not own the property they were grazing thee cattle at and just because someone's ancestor used a place they do not own does not entitle their descendant to use it.
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Maybe ancestral rights ARE relevant. My father once took a piss in the mens room at a Stuckey's Restaurant up in Michigan. He was only there once, but he didn't like the food, so he never went back. Using Bundy's reasoning, since my father once took a piss at Stuckey's, I have the right to go there all I want and not pay for the food. LOL.
 
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Cliven Bundy speaks:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
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Yep, there is your hero, the guy who thinks "negroes" would be happier as slaves.

Get yourselves a new hero, the more we learn about this nutcase the worse it gets.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?_r=1
 
Ockham said:
Perhaps the government should have thought of that before sending in the heavy handed 200 federalies.
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So it's ok to use militias to defend freeloading if the circumstances met your personal preferences?
 
reinoe said:
So it's ok to use militias to defend freeloading if the circumstances met your personal preferences?
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Cognitive Dissonance....he is soaking in it!
 
NIMBY said:
What part about he's still on the land don't you get?
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Of course he's still on his land, he still owns it. You don't have to physically posses land to get the value of the lien. It's just money, which is just numbers in a bank computer. You don't need physical possession of an asset in order to have some of those numbers transferred to you.

All this is is a rancher refusing to pay fees for using land he doesn't own. This whole thing can be resolved without either side bullying the other, but both sides are being retarded instead.
 
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beefheart said:
Ah, so now the conspiracy goes to the evil "THEY". Media is controlled by them!

Down the rabbit hole goes the conspiracy theorists..
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We already know that MSNBC has admitted to collaborating with MM for content, and delivery....And we know that CBS is a ridiculous shill for this administration....So, no conspiracy there....
 
Kobie said:
Well, that's gibberish. How dare people report his actual words?
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If you would ever do that, then you may have a point...Until then though....Just the usual pap....:coffeepap
 
reinoe said:
So it's ok to use militias to defend freeloading if the circumstances met your personal preferences?
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So, you enjoy seeing heavily armed government LEO, go after your neighbors eh? pathetic....Wait til they come for you, and no one gives a ****.
 
j-mac said:
So, you enjoy seeing heavily armed government LEO, go after your neighbors eh? pathetic....Wait til they come for you, and no one gives a ****.
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If your neighbor was a drug pusher?
a pedophile?
a mass murderer?

they all get a pass because you love your neighbours? I suggest you rethink a little.

He is refusing to pay grazing fees. He is stealing money you because those fees are a rental fee for the part of the land that is yours. He is stealing your neighbour's money because he won't pay the rental fee for the part of the land you neighbor owns.

He is a dead beat rancher twerking some people's anti-gubmint emotions for personal gain. He is pathetic at best and if people die then I think being labelled a murderer is not too far out of line.
 
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So, you enjoy seeing heavily armed government LEO, go after your neighbors eh? pathetic....Wait til they come for you, and no one gives a ****.
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Still ignoring the decades of court orders and fines and everything else that brought this idiot to this point in time. :roll:

I don't enjoy the situation, but Bundy brought this upon himself. It's hilarious how the "personal responsibility" champions just drop it the second one of their own gets what's coming to him.
 
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RogueWarrior said:
I can't find the actual interview so you will have to go to 2:35 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SUt7Y7FSA

apologies if you don't like Jon Stewart.
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I listened to the original interview in it's entirety, Bundey simply over-spoke in an effort to stress how he feels. It wasn't a literal statement, but hey, that's why you have to keep your emotions in check when talking to the media.
 
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