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Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

CRUE CAB said:
No, our rights exist. Period. His right to graze was there until they decided to change the rules and lie about the "endangered turtles". Thats when it really became not about rights but lies.
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as long as you understand that your rights do not exist untill you do.

to you point on the rancher. His right to property can be denied with due process of law.[5th amendemnt] You may claim he has not yet recieved due process, but you can not claim he has unlimited and life-long right to property.
 
American said:
WE shouldn't be.
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Anyone who doesn't like the present situation in the USA as it relates to public land needs to get to work re-writing the U.S. Constitution.

I have zero sympathy for Mr. Bundy. He and anyone who 'thinks' like him needs to spend a few decades in a FEMA re-education camp in the USA's Southwestern desert region.
 
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Hatuey said:
It being "ours" doesn't give people the right to use it as they see fit. The Capitol Building is by definition ours. Can I set up a tent in the main lobby and live there? No. Your understanding of public property and what it entails is EXTREMELY misinformed or you're being disingenuous. Which is it?
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I have a major problem with the rules,regs, conditions set forth and for who they actually benefit unlike you people who think our FedGov is omnipotent.
 
votemout said:
Seems the tortoise and cows have coexisted so far. Might want to research agenda 21 a bit see what is really going on.
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Oh now you've done it...injected facts into the debate. ;)

Exactly what is happening.
 
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WCH said:
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I have a major problem with the rules,regs, conditions set forth and for who they actually benefit unlike you people who think our FedGov is omnipotent.
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Everyone is free to "Have a Major Problem".....but they are not free to break societal law based upon it, as the result would be Anarchy and Chaotic breakdown of said society. Just take a close look at the situation in discussion, Taken to a worst case scenario we end up with many dead and wounded citizens and a Government considered to be guilty of brutality, all as a result of people having a major problem and acting on it.
 
NIMBY said:
If it's a state's rights issue as you say, Bundy should pay state's fees, $12 a head in Nevada, compared to $1.35 a head to the BLM .
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Portions of ghe BLM fees go to the state, country and the US treasury. Ths rest is 'misused' by the agency.
 
shrubnose said:
What flag does the U.S. Govt. use?

Last time that I checked it was the stars and stripes.
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That is our country's flag ...America ya know. Land of the free and the brave.

Unlike what statists believe.
 
WCH said:
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I have a major problem with the rules,regs, conditions set forth and for who they actually benefit unlike you people who think our FedGov is omnipotent.
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So we should be able to use public land for anything we want? I should be able to farm in Yellowstone?
 
WCH said:
That is our country's flag ...America ya know. Land of the free and the brave.

Unlike what statists believe.
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Yeah exactly, "ours" not "yours".

Your position is in the extremist minority, self styled, arm chair, "patriot" revolutionaries with delusional fantasies of glory, not at all indicative of the population at large.
 
votemout said:
Seems the tortoise and cows have coexisted so far. Might want to research agenda 21 a bit see what is really going on.
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Agenda 21? Stay off Infowars. That'll rot your brain.
 
jamesrage said:
You mean they stopped ranchers from grassing off of public land.


The Bundy is raising grass fed beef. Most beef is grain fed. Bundy amounts to the dirty hippies who raise free range chickens and charging several bucks or more for a dozen eggs.So if you are buying beef from a regular grocery store it is grain fed.What the average person pays for beef is not being effected by closing public lands to grazing.
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All beef are grass fed until they go to the feed lot. At the feed lot they are fed grain for a set amount of time and then slaughtered. That's why it's called a feed lot.
 
tecoyah said:
Everyone is free to "Have a Major Problem".....but they are not free to break societal law based upon it, as the result would be Anarchy and Chaotic breakdown of said society. Just take a close look at the situation in discussion, Taken to a worst case scenario we end up with many dead and wounded citizens and a Government considered to be guilty of brutality, all as a result of people having a major problem and acting on it.
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That is sometimes how change occurs. (see history of America)
 
CRUE CAB said:
His rights did exist before the BLM, just like my rights existed before me.
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What?

You had right to land before you were even born? I don't even recall a specific right to land in the Constitution either? And even if you do own land before a certain law or agency was established, since when do laws/agencies only created before you owned the land apply to you?

Someone has an extremely misguided view of law and rights.
 
Wiseone said:
What?

You had right to land before you were even born? I don't even recall a specific right to land in the Constitution either? And even if you do own land before a certain law or agency was established, since when do laws/agencies only created before you owned the land apply to you?

Someone has an extremely misguided view of law and rights.
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No one has rights to land. Read the BoR. But there are rights that exist before people are born, were you born in 1791?
 
1750Texan said:
as long as you understand that your rights do not exist untill you do.

to you point on the rancher. His right to property can be denied with due process of law.[5th amendemnt] You may claim he has not yet recieved due process, but you can not claim he has unlimited and life-long right to property.
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But that is not what the G is claiming. They based much of their latest actions on a turtle. Which is a lie.
 
jamesrage said:
Seeing how he has been using public lands to graze his cattle on the property he has is insufficient in raising cattle.How long he alleges that his family had the property for is irrelevant. When businesses expand they often move if the property is insufficient, they just do not build onto their neighbors without permission.
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You clearly know nothing about cattle owning. Herding or raising.
 
Kobie said:
I don't give a **** what he "feels." He's still breaking the law.

Wesley Snipes felt like he shouldn't have to pay taxes, and he got to feel his feelings for three years in a prison cell.
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Its called civil disobedience. Bet you were all behind the OWS scum that took over down town NYC.
 
reinoe said:
Most of those freeloaders aren't using militias to defend their right to freeload.
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Perhaps the government should have thought of that before sending in the heavy handed 200 federalies.
 
CRUE CAB said:
But that is not what the G is claiming. They based much of their latest actions on a turtle. Which is a lie.
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The turtle is irrelevant. The reason for the eviction does not have to be any other than the lease is up and over.

I can almost guarrantee that their is no provision in BLM regulations that suspension of leases has to be because of violation of any law protecting endangerd species.

If that was the bases for the judicial reasoning for the eviction, please cite the ruling...I would love to read it.
 
1750Texan said:
The turtle is irrelevant. The reason for the eviction does not have to be any other than the lease is up and over.

I can almost guarrantee that their is no provision in BLM regulations that suspension of leases has to be because of violation of any law protecting endangerd species.

If that was the bases for the judicial reasoning for the eviction, please cite the ruling...I would love to read it.
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The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.
 
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