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High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

Yes, there absolutely is value in being exposed to other viewpoints, both in and out of the classroom. You guys always whine about universities being liberal hive minds, after all.

I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.
 
I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.


No, facts are but a part of it. Thinking skills require the ability to see more than one view point. Much of the world functions not one one right answer, but being able see enough answers t find the best one.
 
The law already says you can't discriminate against someone based on race. It happens anyway. You'd like to give them the power to walk? Yeah, good talking point. Sounds wonderful. Explain how. Explain how someone is supposed to be self-sufficient when even an entry-level, minimum wage job that you can't sustain yourself on is denied to them based on skin color and cultural stigma. Explain how you would level the playing field when the white guy gets a second chance and the black guy doesn't get a first one.

Where is this happening? Why is it not reported by those discriminated against?
 
Where is this happening? Why is it not reported by those discriminated against?

Some are reported. Some are not. But it happens. I can take you to a diner in Mississippi where if you're not white, you won't get served. They won't throw your out, but somehow you can sit there for hours and never get any food. I found it appalling. Imagine how it would have been in the area if this wasn't illegal? Laws send a message. And if you send the message that discrimination is OK, that evil grows.
 
Grades and standardized test scores are a great starting point since past performance is a good predictor of future success.

they are also far more objective than anything else. Look at the nonsense we get from Obama slurpers who try to pretend his race wasn't why he got into harvard
 
I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.

I never saw what value there was to get the viewpoint, in a class room setting, of an inferior student, because of their race

its like that old joke about clinton's "Diverse" cabinet: a lesbian socialist, a hispanic Socialist, a midget socialist, an Asin Socialist, a black socialist, etc

people who all looked different but thought exactly alike
 
they are also far more objective than anything else. Look at the nonsense we get from Obama slurpers who try to pretend his race wasn't why he got into harvard

Objective nonsense isn't helpful. And you have no evidence as to Obama and Harvard. You appear to be repeating an unsupported narrative because it suits a bias, and not because it has factual support.
 
Objective nonsense isn't helpful. And you have no evidence as to Obama and Harvard. You appear to be repeating an unsupported narrative because it suits a bias, and not because it has factual support.

that's nonsense and you know it. there is nothing to indicate Obama was a strong student, let alone the superstar it normally takes a white male to get into Harvard law, at columbia.
 
that's nonsense and you know it. there is nothing to indicate Obama was a strong student, let alone the superstar it normally takes a white male to get into Harvard law, at columbia.

Absent of evidence is absence of evidence. YOu can draw no conclusions from a lack of evidence. To do so suggests a bias.
 
This is happening at more and more
universities.

Even the ultra-liberal University of Texas at Austin is looking hard at itself. It has bent over backwards for minorities here, and they're seeing their graduation rates drop and their overall GPA suffer greatly. It's a hard school to get into for a state school (top 8 percent only unless you have a lot of other qualifications), but they're waving requirements for a lot of minority students who get there and can't hack it.

Meanwhile, Texas A&M is sticking to their requirements and graduating more high-performers in the market place. Texas A&M used to be the irrelevant kid brother. That's changing rapidly, and it's got UT's attention.

Lol !!

That just reminded me of Vince Young.

A UT student who scored a 6 on the NFLs Wonderlick aptitude test.

10 is considered marginally literate.

That coupled with his spending habbits and the fact that he blew through 25 Million bucks in just a couple lf years should have promted at least a NCAAA investigation into how exactly he was accepted into that College.
 
Lol !!

That just reminded me of Vince Young.

A UT student who scored a 6 on the NFLs Wonderlick aptitude test.

10 is considered marginally literate.

That coupled with his spending habbits and the fact that he blew through 25 Million bucks in just a couple lf years should have promted at least a NCAAA investigation into how exactly he was accepted into that College.

Vince Young. Talk about a study in epic failure. In addition to his massive NFL salary, he got about $30 million in endorsement contracts. Not surprised to hear he's stupid. But hey, if he served a purpose for his college, I'm all for it.

Last I heard that moron was a free agent. A bankrupt one to boot.
 
Vince Young. Talk about a study in epic failure. In addition to his massive NFL salary, he got about $30 million in endorsement contracts. Not surprised to hear he's stupid. But hey, if he served a purpose for his college, I'm all for it.

Last I heard that moron was a free agent. A bankrupt one to boot.

Yea, he's living back in his old hood which is just North Side Houston Ghetto.

I live in Houston so I know where it is. Quite a fall.
 
Yea, he's living back in his old hood which is just North Side Houston Ghetto.

I live in Houston so I know where it is. Quite a fall.

It's sad too, because he has some natural talent, IMO. Dumbasses can't handle money. So many of them.
 
Absent of evidence is absence of evidence. YOu can draw no conclusions from a lack of evidence. To do so suggests a bias.

that's just psychobabble. If Obama had been a superstar at columbia, we would have heard about it. Politicians always brag about things that will help them
 
Would you believe him if he did?

sure-if he released his transcripts. I believe he made high honors at Harvard. Two of the guys in my former officer were Harvard Magnas--it was top 15-20% IIRC. HLS published a list of those who made honors, high honors and Highest Honors (which sometimes was no one-apparently CJ Roberts was only a magna but first in his class while former Bush SG Paul Clement as well as Scalia were Summa cum laude)
 
sure-if he released his transcripts. I believe he made high honors at Harvard. Two of the guys in my former officer were Harvard Magnas--it was top 15-20% IIRC. HLS published a list of those who made honors, high honors and Highest Honors (which sometimes was no one-apparently CJ Roberts was only a magna but first in his class while former Bush SG Paul Clement as well as Scalia were Summa cum laude)

If he made high honors at Harvard, why would he have needed affirmative action help?
 
If he made high honors at Harvard, why would he have needed affirmative action help?

that's a stupid question. what you do after you get in has no relevance on your application

he didn't have the grades when he applied
 
Yea, he's living back in his old hood which is just North Side Houston Ghetto.

I live in Houston so I know where it is. Quite a fall.


i used to live in Houston back in the late 70's not far from the airport on Greens road, it was new and pretty then...now its a dump i hear.
 
that's just psychobabble. If Obama had been a superstar at columbia, we would have heard about it. Politicians always brag about things that will help them

Now you're leaping to superstar? You don't have to be a superstar, even to get into Harvard. The fact is, you have no evidence. It's just a narrative you want to believe.

Btw, how good a student was Bush? Just to compare how you view these things.
 
that's a stupid question. what you do after you get in has no relevance on your application

he didn't have the grades when he applied

yet he evidently had the ability.

and how do you know he didn't have the grades?
 
Now you're leaping to superstar? You don't have to be a superstar, even to get into Harvard. The fact is, you have no evidence. It's just a narrative you want to believe.

Btw, how good a student was Bush? Just to compare how you view these things.


to get into Harvard Law as a white male you need be at the very top of your class at most universities. If you attended the very best colleges-Yale, Princeton, Amherst, Williams you still needed to be at least a magna cum laude

in my era I only knew one white guy who got into Yale Law with less than Magna cum laude. That was steven Calabresi who was a cum Laude grad. But he

1) had an 800 LSAT
2) had been president of the Yale Political union
3) and most importantly, nephew of Guido Calabresi-DEAN Guido Calabresi of the Yale Law School!
 
yet he evidently had the ability.

and how do you know he didn't have the grades?

his transcript is sealed from columbia-what does that tell you
and Columbia posted its honors graduates. He wasn't one of them
 
to get into Harvard Law as a white male you need be at the very top of your class at most universities. If you attended the very best colleges-Yale, Princeton, Amherst, Williams you still needed to be at least a magna cum laude

in my era I only knew one white guy who got into Yale Law with less than Magna cum laude. That was steven Calabresi who was a cum Laude grad. But he

1) had an 800 LSAT
2) had been president of the Yale Political union
3) and most importantly, nephew of Guido Calabresi-DEAN Guido Calabresi of the Yale Law School!

No, you really don't. 3) would be enough. That's why I brought up Bush.
 
his transcript is sealed from columbia-what does that tell you
and Columbia posted its honors graduates. He wasn't one of them

No, being sealed at Columbia is not unusual.

The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.
In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
 
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