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Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

Gill said:
They are not wasting their time.

Because opposition to underground pipelines is based on rumor, innuendo, and stupidity. A year after the pipeline is installed, there will be no visible trace of it.
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So that is justification for the use of their land..."it is burried"?

If a govenment agency wanted to bury waste in your backyard...is that cool, its underground.
 
ludin said:
they will be paid for their use of the land which is different than the federal government seizing control destroying property and killing livestock that doesn't belong to them.
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so compensation is all that is needed in Nevada...pay for cattle and he will move on?
 
1750Texan said:
So that is justification for the use of their land..."it is burried"?

If a govenment agency wanted to bury waste in your backyard...is that cool, its underground.
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Looks like you are against underground electrical lines, gas lines, cable tv/internet lines, etc., etc.

Very short sighted.
 
apdst said:
What of them? Where are they?
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No where to be found that's where.

Maybe they are grearing up for the next fake outrage? WWII memorial, Bundy claim...What ever the next fake outrage is...they will be sure to be there.
 
Gill said:
Looks like you are against underground electrical lines, gas lines, cable tv/internet lines, etc., etc.

Very short sighted.
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Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
 
1750Texan said:
Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
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blame the liberals on the supreme court for supporting it.

Justice Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.
 
1750Texan said:
Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
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Oh yeah... I keep forgetting electrical lines, gas lines, and cable/tv lines are not commercial ventures.
 
1750Texan said:
Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
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It seems like the right really doesn't have a problem with Socialism bailing out Capitalism, but only if the least wealthy don't benefit.
 
iguanaman said:
The tar sand sludge is not moving and won't without that leak prone pipeline. We won't see a drop of it anyway because it is all for export. Why should we take all the risks and cancer because the Canadians don't want it in their country. Let them ship and refine it, we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day.
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We have already assumed all of the risks and have none of the economic stimulus that building the Pipeline would provide.

Again, the oil is being shipped and it is carried via Truck and Train to the Gulf. Pipelines are safer and produce fewer GHG's than does transport via Truck or Rail.

The product is already being shipped. The only thing we are debating at this point is if we would rather ship it in a less expensive, less polluting and safer way that we are currently shipping it. Oh, yeah, we are also discussing adding about 40,000 jobs to the economy for a few years.



Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline

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[h=4]Planned Rail Movements[/h]
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ludin said:
blame the liberals on the supreme court for supporting it.

Justice Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.
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I dont agree with the decision...and I would not classify Kennedy as a liberal. Souter was considered to be conservative when BushII nominated him and Kennedy was more a moderate nominated by RR.
 
code1211 said:
We have already assumed all of the risks and have none of the economic stimulus that building the Pipeline would provide.

Again, the oil is being shipped and it is carried via Truck and Train to the Gulf. Pipelines are safer and produce fewer GHG's than does transport via Truck or Rail.

The product is already being shipped. The only thing we are debating at this point is if we would rather ship it in a less expensive, less polluting and safer way that we are currently shipping it. Oh, yeah, we are also discussing adding about 40,000 jobs to the economy for a few years.



Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline

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[h=4]Planned Rail Movements[/h]
planned-rail-movements-from-western-canada2.png

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Why is it our— the people of the USA —concern to ship Canadian oil via land to refineries that are not owned by the people of the US at all.

Let Cananda worry about shipping their oil over their land to the west. It can be refined in West Coast refineries.
 
I believe it is simply bailing out the wealthiest. Why not promote the general welfare by putting Infrastructure underground, and include capacity for the private sector?
 
1750Texan said:
Why isit our the people of the USA'c concern to ship Canadian oil via land to refineries that are not owned by the people of the US at all.

Let Cananda worry about shipping their oil over their land to the west. It can be refined in West Coast refineries.
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We are a refined petroleum exporting country. This pipeline will terminate in the New Orleans and Houston Area.

More raw material will create more refining jobs whether that refined product is burned in the USA or shipped to Europe.

All of that said, though, the crude is currently being shipped to that area and is running across our highways and across our rails taking up space and increasing the costs to ship stuff like food.

Our air is being polluted, our infrastructure worn down and the costs of other commodities rising because Obama and the Dems need to pay back the Greens that bought them.
 
Rail Transport of Crude Oil Increases as Pipeline Falls Short
More than 99 percent of hazardous material shipments reach their destinations without spills, according to the Association of American Railroads. Yet more crude oil was spilled in American rail incidents in 2013 than in the previous four decades, according to a McClatchy Newspapers analysis of federal data. The data for Texas shows 62 crude oil spills from trains over the last decade. Forty-two, or 68 percent, have occurred since 2012
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/u...l-increases-as-pipeline-falls-short.html?_r=0

so I gotta wonder, is rail a better answer? The article says crude gets there faster, but an oil train accident is a major disaster ( 47 people killed in the last big one).

Seem to me if the companies pay the pipeline costs, and the refineries in the Gulf are expanding..this is a better way then rail.
 
1750Texan said:
Why is it our— the people of the USA —concern to ship Canadian oil via land to refineries that are not owned by the people of the US at all.

Let Cananda worry about shipping their oil over their land to the west. It can be refined in West Coast refineries.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

The oil is currently being shipped from Canada to the Gulf.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Exactly. Make a decision. Either yes or no. Either way, I don't really care much because I don't personally think this one pipeline will make that much difference. I'm just tired of hearing about it.
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Me too. Just make a decision and move on.
 
Navy Pride said:
What does Obama have against low gas prices???
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He obviously does not care about low gas prices or anything else that might benefit Americans.

He has only one goal and that is to campaign and collect money to do so.

This does not make him unique among politicians. He is, however, better at it than most.
 
jamesrage said:
If you respect property rights then you should oppose this pipeline.
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Why would anyone oppose it if the landowners are happily receiving money for the right of way.
 
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