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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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Crosscheck said:
This dumbass in his bulletproof vest next to tourists in shorts and tee shirts with cameras reminds me of this reporter in 2005 reporting on a flood in NJ paddling in a boat while two guys walk by in hip waders walk by in what looks like 10 inches of water. Can we just say the biggest dumbass of the year award here. LOL
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Tourists? They were probably his ilk.

I'll say this again, I don't know why federal marshals didn't clear that friggen bridge!
 
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Jerry said:
If you're going to try and prove something in court, it matters. I'll bet that SWAT team had a round chambered in their guns.
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Of course they did....kinda the point isn't it?

Why did you avoid answering my question?
 
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MACS-24 said:
Okay. What is he aiming at?

Look at your previous post picture that is the one I'm referring to.
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Buck posted a photo with his sight line and its aimed directly at the LEOs.

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But really, if it does go to court....all the prosecutors have to do is go take pictures through that crack in the wall to see his line of sight to prove what he was pointing his gun at.
 
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Jerry said:
Sure, the photo proves it was a nice day outside, but that's about it.
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It proves he was looking through his gun sight and pointing his weapon toward the crowd below. That should be enough to take away his 2A rights...not that it would matter to a guy like that since he's probably got an arsenal of illegal weapons back home and a fake ID, anyway.
 
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Removable Mind said:
I recently saw some of the ground pictures of all those around the distant bridge as seen in the picture above. On one side of the bridge are armed law enforcement (Feds, County, etc). Then immediately in front of them are a lot of children and women.

Obviously Adult women can choose to make a stand and line up in front of law enforcement. Why would either law enforcement or pissed off ranchers or armed folks on the overpass put those kids in harms way? Why would the ranchers or locals who support Bundy use them as a symbol of their beliefs?
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I haven't seen those photos....but I would like to.

This stand-off also reminds me of a scene in Tombstone at the OK Corral where the situation is extremely tense and dangerous. Wyatt Earp is hoping the tension will die down, but then Doc Holiday winks at one of the bad guys knowing that it would elicit a reaction that would set of a potential shoot-out.

It only takes one dumbass from law enforcement or a protesting rancher or Bundy supporter to do that "wink"...
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There's no shortage of dumbasses in that crowd. Take this idiot, Pete Santilli, for instance....he walks up the LEOs and threatened to arrest them......


 
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tecoyah said:
Of course they did....kinda the point isn't it?

Why did you avoid answering my question?
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Because the question is off point. Were talking about rather or not this guy should be charged with a crime, so how I or you or anyone would feel at a party has nothing to do with anything.

Assuming he was aiming a cop, rather or not a round was chambered determins if he gets charged with felony assult or attempted murder.
 
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Moot said:
It proves he was looking through his gun sight and pointing his weapon toward the crowd below. That should be enough to take away his 2A rights...not that it would matter to a guy like that since he's probably got an arsenal of illegal weapons back home and a fake ID, anyway.
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Well there's certainly no defending him there. These people give militia a bad name and are going to be the reason we all loose our gun rights.
 
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Jerry said:
Well there's certainly no defending him there. These people give militia a bad name and are going to be the reason we all loose our gun rights.
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Come on Jerry, you're not going to lose your gun rights over this. lol

What I hope is that this stupid standoff helps put an end to the western states trying to grab federal land for development and the personal gain of the state politicians. They're terrified that Bundy will become the face of the state vs federal land disputes.
 
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Moot said:
Come on Jerry, you're not going to lose your gun rights over this. lol

What I hope is that this stupid standoff helps put an end to the western states trying to grab federal land for development and the personal gain of the state politicians. They're terrified that Bundy will become the face of the state vs federal land disputes.
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This is exactly the sort of thing that changes public opinion. Now whenever pro-gun mentions "a well regulated milita" people will think of these morons at the Bundy ranch and ask themselves if they really want people like this being armed. When the next round of 'assult weapon' bans come around people will remember this guy aiming such a weapon at a crowd.

Add to it that these 'militias' are not operating under an order to muster. It's as if a bunch of Guard buddies and I put on our uniforms and said we were now a guard unit. No we would not be, even in uniform, even though we actually are in the Guard, because we're not acting under orders. Just because you are in a militia doesn't mean you can go do just whatever you want under the militia flag. These people are just armed protesters.

The fed shouldn't be allowed to own any land outside of DC.
 
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Jerry said:
The ranch itself doesn't need to. All the ranch needs to be is an asset owned by the person who owes money. They could also put liens on all his vehicles, land he may own in other states, etc.
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All they have to do is notify all the sale barns and garnish his money when he sells his cows.
 
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apdst said:
All they have to do is notify all the sale barns and garnish his money when he sells his cows.
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Yup. Liens and/or garnishment, thats how this should be handled, not with SWAT teams and 'militias'.
 
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Jerry said:
Yup. Liens and/or garnishment, thats how this should be handled, not with SWAT teams and 'militias'.
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The same type of thing could have been done at Waco. The government loves to show its force when it can get away with it.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
The same type of thing could have been done at Waco. The government loves to show its force when it can get away with it.
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How about a sternly worded note?

What, exactly, would have been garnished at the Branch Davidian compound? Pretty much every cent that went into that place was under the table.
 
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Jerry said:
Possibly, but good luck proving that in court.
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You dont think a court would agree that a firearm aimed at a group of people is very different than just carrying one? WHat is so hard to understand about aiming a firearm at people and walking around carrying a firearm. Come on Jerry would you take your firearm and aim it like that guy on the bridge? I mean prone position is for stability during aiming your firearm. There is no other reason for the moron to be in the prone position and pointing his rifle in the direction that he was. Dont act as if no one ****ing notice the ****ing obvious dude.
 
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apdst said:
Did he have a round chambered?
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He had his clip in, so in all appearance we would have to assume that there were ammo in it. WHat would you think if he was aiming at you in prone position with a clip in? Would you question if the damn rifle was loaded or make sure you did something about it? Certainly I would hope that you wouldnt just stand there grinning.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
He had his clip in, so in all appearance we would have to assume that there were ammo in it. WHat would you think if he was aiming at you in prone position with a clip in? Would you question if the damn rifle was loaded or make sure you did something about it? Certainly I would hope that you wouldnt just stand there grinning.
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Look at that picture again, there's no clip in the rifle.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
You dont think a court would agree that a firearm aimed at a group of people is very different than just carrying one? WHat is so hard to understand about aiming a firearm at people and walking around carrying a firearm. Come on Jerry would you take your firearm and aim it like that guy on the bridge? I mean prone position is for stability during aiming your firearm. There is no other reason for the moron to be in the prone position and pointing his rifle in the direction that he was. Dont act as if no one ****ing notice the ****ing obvious dude.
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If I were him my argument in court would be the weapon was unloaded, the rifle aimed at dirt out in the distance, and this was a photo op for the pro-Bundy media, not real preparation to actually engage police.

It's now the prosecution's burden to prove otherwise, or I walk.

So, going back to the rifle: prove its loaded. Prove there's ammo in the mag. Prove there's a round chamered.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
I can see how you could come to that perspective, and to say you are wrong would be too strong, however, your position here is lacking in information that would tweak that whole post to make it accurate.

Whatever else you might say about jones, he does not believe in a violent revolution. He comes from the position that if it does come to that, whoever shoots first loses.

The other posts you associated to jones would be akin to, if the same posts were on Facebook, using those posts to incriminate zuckerberg.

Beyond that, I don't have the patience to go over all the details which are based in misinformation, not even about bundy, for example, about the Egyptian spring, and how it relates to a potential American spring...
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The fact is that whatever spring translates to a group wanting to overthrow the government. That my friend is treason.
 
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Jerry said:
If I were him my argument in court would be the weapon was unloaded, the rifle aimed at dirt out in the distance, and this was a photo op for the pro-Bundy media, not real preparation to actually engage police.

It's now the prosecution's burden to prove otherwise, or I walk.

So, going back to the rifle: prove its loaded. Prove there's ammo in the mag. Prove there's a round chamered.
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WHy should I prove that his weapon was loaded? Why not prove to me that it wasnt? I mean the point was that they claimed that they were armed.

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FreedomFromAll said:
WHy should I prove that his weapon was loaded? Why not prove to me that it wasnt?
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Because in America the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
 
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Moot said:
Buck posted a photo with his sight line and its aimed directly at the LEOs.

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But really, if it does go to court....all the prosecutors have to do is go take pictures through that crack in the wall to see his line of sight to prove what he was pointing his gun at.
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No, neither is true. 1st is way off, doesn't follow site line of barrel. It's why I copied it to PS to actually 'see' the rifle, not the shadow.
2nd "beyond shadow of doubt" - no way. That "crack" has alt range almost 90 degrees to below zero (unit circle).

With all those cameras shooting pictures in background of other pictures it looks more like a staged scene and that idiot was dumb enough to agree. Yet there is no proof of what he is aiming at; however, a charge of some type of endangerment is probably warranted.
 
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Moot said:
It proves he was looking through his gun sight and pointing his weapon toward the crowd below. That should be enough to take away his 2A rights...not that it would matter to a guy like that since he's probably got an arsenal of illegal weapons back home and a fake ID, anyway.
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No. At the most, a misdemeanor charge.
 
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MACS-24 said:
No, neither is true. 1st is way off, doesn't follow site line of barrel. It's why I copied it to PS to actually 'see' the rifle, not the shadow.
2nd "beyond shadow of doubt" - no way. That "crack" has alt range almost 90 degrees to below zero (unit circle).

With all those cameras shooting pictures in background of other pictures it looks more like a staged scene and that idiot was dumb enough to agree. Yet there is no proof of what he is aiming at; however, a charge of some type of endangerment is probably warranted.
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Without seeing your Photoshop I'm going to have to go with Bucks photo and the close up that I showed you earlier. The later definitely shows the sniper looking down the barrel pointed directly toward those LEO's vehicles. There is no question in my mind about that.
 
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Moot said:
Without seeing your Photoshop I'm going to have to go with Bucks photo and the close up that I showed you earlier. The later definitely shows the sniper looking down the barrel pointed directly toward those LEO's vehicles. There is no question in my mind about that.
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It is very easy to do. Why don't you try. That way you can't claim I doctored it somehow.
 
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MACS-24 said:
It is very easy to do. Why don't you try. That way you can't claim I doctored it somehow.
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I don't think my Photoshop of the same photo would give a different a result than what Bucks photo shows. It looks pretty straightforward, imo. But feel free to post YOUR Photoshop since you went to all the trouble. I'd like to see it.
 
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