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apdst said:

Do you have photographs of his actial line of sight?

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Don't need to....that little crack in the wall didn't leave him much choice but to put his sight on the police officers. That's probably why he picked it that particular spot.

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apdst said:

Did he have a round chambered?

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If by chance....someone decides to pull a gun on you, lets say at a party. Do you much care if he has a bullet chambered, or is a good shot?

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apdst said:

Do you have photographs of his actial line of sight?

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If anyone would actually check that, they'd see it's way too high as Tres got piled-on for suggesting. I was curious so, I copied it to Photoshop, lightened the dark areas and sure enough, aiming too high.

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Moot said:

You're right, that sniper hiding on the overpass looks more like an 'armed aggressor' with his loaded gun aimed at the government officials below. Gee, he's even wearing body armor like he's ready for battle.

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I recently saw some of the ground pictures of all those around the distant bridge as seen in the picture above. On one side of the bridge are armed law enforcement (Feds, County, etc). Then immediately in front of them are a lot of children and women.

Obviously Adult women can choose to make a stand and line up in front of law enforcement. Why would either law enforcement or pissed off ranchers or armed folks on the overpass put those kids in harms way? Why would the ranchers or locals who support Bundy use them as a symbol of their beliefs?

This stand-off also reminds me of a scene in Tombstone at the OK Corral where the situation is extremely tense and dangerous. Wyatt Earp is hoping the tension will die down, but then Doc Holiday winks at one of the bad guys knowing that it would elicit a reaction that would set of a potential shoot-out.

It only takes one dumbass from law enforcement or a protesting rancher or Bundy supporter to do that "wink"...

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Moot said:

That shouldn't be too hard to prove since there are plenty of witnesses and photos of the sniper looking through his gun sights through that little crack in the concrete wall right down on the base camp of the police officers. It's going to be very hard for him to prove that he wasn't aiming his gun at anything or anyone else but those police officers. He wasn't there to smell the roses.

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Lemme' play, please? I wanna play semantics!

Okay, we're on the battlefield, you and I and some others are on the same team, on the same field, and you and some others are in front of me.

A. I should raise my firearm, and prepare to shoot, knowing that I might stumble with my trigger finger on the trigger, and it might go off wounding or killing you or one of our team members.

B. I should keep my weapon pointed to the ground, or up in the air to help prevent such a horrible accident from happening.

C. I shouldn't be there in the first place, with my firearm, or family members downrange because I might not be the crack shot I thought I was.

Pick as many answers as you wish, it's all semantics.

So, while being stationed in Alaska, I worked at the rec. center's boat/sports shop, cleaning boats, fixing fishing poles, you know, just a maintenance guy.

This hunting party shows up on Friday and rents a flat bottom river boat with two engines.

It's Sunday now, and I hear guys in the dorm talking about some dude that was out hunting had been shot in the back of his head by at least two of his hunting buddies.

Monday after my shift, I went to the boat shop to do my moonlighting. Yep, there was the boat, blood everywhere.
What happened was three guys in the back of the boat stood up to shoot a moose, and the guy in the front of the boat stood up first to tell them there was a moose on the river bank. The dude was shot with several different rifles, one, a 30-06.

Now can we see the semantics of others trying to play the semantics game? I can. But, you and me know, that in real life situations, you don't raise a firearm towards a crowd of people, loaded or not, because that shows intent, which is used quite often in the courts system.

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Removable Mind said:

I recently saw some of the ground pictures of all those around the distant bridge as seen in the picture above. On one side of the bridge are armed law enforcement (Feds, County, etc). Then immediately in front of them are a lot of children and women.

Obviously Adult women can choose to make a stand and line up in front of law enforcement. Why would either law enforcement or pissed off ranchers or armed folks on the overpass put those kids in harms way? Why would the ranchers or locals who support Bundy use them as a symbol of their beliefs?

This stand-off also reminds me of a scene in Tombstone at the OK Corral where the situation is extremely tense and dangerous. Wyatt Earp is hoping the tension will die down, but then Doc Holiday winks at one of the bad guys knowing that it would elicit a reaction that would set of a potential shoot-out.

It only takes one dumbass from law enforcement or a protesting rancher or Bundy supporter to do that "wink"...

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The guy lying in the prone position with the rifle pointed toward the crowd should have had a boot planted squarely into his rear end. He was such a moron.

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Jerry said:

There hasn't been any armed resistance.

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They are resisting the fed...while holding arms....thus "armed resistance". no they haven't fired yet, because then they'd be murderers

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MACS-24 said:

If anyone would actually check that, they'd see it's way too high as Tres got piled-on for suggesting. I was curious so, I copied it to Photoshop, lightened the dark areas and sure enough, aiming too high.

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Did you see this photo? It doesn't look like his gun is aimed too high to me.

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FreedomFromAll said:

Alex Jones is nothing more than a guy that makes money off of nuts. The more that he riles them up the more money that he makes. He really is a nobody just like any talk radio host. What is sad or actually insane is that people believe his fictional crap. And the irony is that they go on about how the mainstream media fills people full of BS all the while just eating up the BS that infowars feeds. They were believing the lies about his family having ancestral grazing rights when it was all a bunch of lies. But it was easy to believe for them since it went along with the protest on May 16th. They didnt think it through though and didnt count on Cliven talking into the microphone too much. But he did and now Cliven is a figure that politicians will avoid. I wouldnt be surprised to see perhaps a 100 militia radicals show up in Washington for a day or two then they will fade away. Even less since Cliven will keep talking and so will the militia idiots. Also the Republicans will attack them as well. AT this rate Operation American Spring may be cancelled.

BTW you do understand the meaning by calling it "SPRING" right? They are hoping for a Egyptian type uprising. They want what happened in Egypt to happen here in America just like those occupy twits wanted except from a rightist position instead of leftist.

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I can see how you could come to that perspective, and to say you are wrong would be too strong, however, your position here is lacking in information that would tweak that whole post to make it accurate.

Whatever else you might say about jones, he does not believe in a violent revolution. He comes from the position that if it does come to that, whoever shoots first loses.

The other posts you associated to jones would be akin to, if the same posts were on Facebook, using those posts to incriminate zuckerberg.

Beyond that, I don't have the patience to go over all the details which are based in misinformation, not even about bundy, for example, about the Egyptian spring, and how it relates to a potential American spring...

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AJiveMan said:

Lemme' play, please? I wanna play semantics!

Okay, we're on the battlefield, you and I and some others are on the same team, on the same field, and you and some others are in front of me.

A. I should raise my firearm, and prepare to shoot, knowing that I might stumble with my trigger finger on the trigger, and it might go off wounding or killing you or one of our team members.

B. I should keep my weapon pointed to the ground, or up in the air to help prevent such a horrible accident from happening.

C. I shouldn't be there in the first place, with my firearm, or family members downrange because I might not be the crack shot I thought I was.

Pick as many answers as you wish, it's all semantics.

So, while being stationed in Alaska, I worked at the rec. center's boat/sports shop, cleaning boats, fixing fishing poles, you know, just a maintenance guy.

This hunting party shows up on Friday and rents a flat bottom river boat with two engines.

It's Sunday now, and I hear guys in the dorm talking about some dude that was out hunting had been shot in the back of his head by at least two of his hunting buddies.

Monday after my shift, I went to the boat shop to do my moonlighting. Yep, there was the boat, blood everywhere.
What happened was three guys in the back of the boat stood up to shoot a moose, and the guy in the front of the boat stood up first to tell them there was a moose on the river bank. The dude was shot with several different rifles, one, a 30-06.

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Oh my, that's quite a hunting story. Poor guy, I assume he didn't live to tell the tale. Growing up in Utah I used to hear about hunting "accidents" all the time. In fact, it was so common that we used to joke that if you ever wanted to bump someone off.....just take them hunting.

Now can we see the semantics of others trying to play the semantics game? I can. But, you and me know, that in real life situations, you don't raise a firearm towards a crowd of people, loaded or not, because that shows intent, which is used quite often in the courts system

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Apparently, he failed the NRA gun safety course. "Never point a gun unless you intend to use it" is a motto I often hear from the pro-gun crowd.

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Moot said:

Oh my, that's quite a hunting story. Poor guy, I assume he didn't live to tell the tale. Growing up in Utah I used to hear about hunting "accidents" all the time. In fact, it was so common that we used to joke that if you ever wanted to bump someone off.....just take them hunting.



Apparently, he failed the NRA gun safety course. "Never point a gun unless you intend to use it" is a motto I often hear from the pro-gun crowd.

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Well, that happened like back in 1980, and I'm not sure they had safety classes back then. Alaska is a very different place, you could open carry just about anywhere back then.

Sadly, the military member did not make it.

You knew what I was alluding to though, you don't point a firearm downrange where people are gathered. In a gun safety class I was administered in Illinois back in 1982, the instructor stated you should never point a weapon at anyone, loaded or not loaded.

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There is no question what Eric was doing on that bridge and who he was aiming at.
he didn't drive all the way from Idaho just to shoot jack rabbits.

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AJiveMan said:

Well, that happened like back in 1980, and I'm not sure they had safety classes back then. Alaska is a very different place, you could open carry just about anywhere back then.

Sadly, the military member did not make it.

You knew what I was alluding to though, you don't point a firearm downrange where people are gathered. In a gun safety class I was administered in Illinois back in 1982, the instructor stated you should never point a weapon at anyone, loaded or not loaded.

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Ya, I was referring to the sniper on the bridge. Obviously he didn't seem too concerned about pointing his weapon at the crowd below.

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Moot said:

Ya, I was referring to the sniper on the bridge. Obviously he didn't seem too concerned about pointing his weapon at the crowd below.

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Gotta wonder what the mentality or mindset is with someone like that.

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FreedomFromAll said:

There is a legal difference between carrying a firearm and having it drawn ready to fire and aimed at a group of people. The guy prone on the bridge was clearly aiming his weapon at people not inanimate objects.

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Possibly, but good luck proving that in court.

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apdst said:

They didnt put a lein on his ranch, bevause it does't have a damn thing to do witj the money.

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The ranch itself doesn't need to. All the ranch needs to be is an asset owned by the person who owes money. They could also put liens on all his vehicles, land he may own in other states, etc.

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Moot said:

That shouldn't be too hard to prove since there are plenty of witnesses and photos of the sniper looking through his gun sights through that little crack in the concrete wall right down on the base camp of the police officers. It's going to be very hard for him to prove that he wasn't aiming his gun at anything or anyone else but those police officers. He wasn't there to smell the roses.

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A photo of him aiming at something doesn't prove what he was aiming at. You would basically need a photo from a gun-cam, if he was using one, showing the sights on a person, or a recorded statement of some kind from the rifleman himself admitting that he was aiming at a person.

Remember, you can't get a conviction on common sense, you have to prove it.

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tecoyah said:

If by chance....someone decides to pull a gun on you, lets say at a party. Do you much care if he has a bullet chambered, or is a good shot?

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If you're going to try and prove something in court, it matters. I'll bet that SWAT team had a round chambered in their guns.

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Jerry said:

A photo of him aiming at something doesn't prove what he was aiming at. You would basically need a photo from a gun-cam, if he was using one, showing the sights on a person, or a recorded statement of some kind from the rifleman himself admitting that he was aiming at a person.

Remember, you can't get a conviction on common sense, you have to prove it.

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It proves a lot more than it doesn't.

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Sean.McDonnell said:

They are resisting the fed...while holding arms....

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Right, and that's not 'armed resistance'. You have to actually use the arms for that term to apply.

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Moot said:

It proves a lot more than it doesn't.

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Sure, the photo proves it was a nice day outside, but that's about it.

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Moot said:

Did you see this photo? It doesn't look like his gun is aimed too high to me.

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Okay. What is he aiming at?

Look at your previous post picture that is the one I'm referring to.

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Moot said:

That wouldn't surprise me. lol

Here he is again....with what appears to be an AK-47.

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This dumbass in his bulletproof vest next to tourists in shorts and tee shirts with cameras reminds me of this reporter in 2005 reporting on a flood in NJ paddling in a boat while two guys walk by in hip waders walk by in what looks like 10 inches of water. Can we just say the biggest dumbass of the year award here. LOL

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AJiveMan said:

Gotta wonder what the mentality or mindset is with someone like that.

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Three bricks short of a full load, I'd say. You can't reason people like that and if you send them to prison they just recruit other prisoners to their cause.

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Moot said:

Three bricks short of a full load, I'd say. You can't reason people like that and if you send them to prison they just recruit other prisoners to their cause.

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Yeah, well, if Bundy is arrested and convicted, I'm wondering what might be in store for him?