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Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Grant said:
Here ya go! Read and learn. Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Koresh was in the process of making his semi automatic weapons fully automatic...as any dedicated man of God would want to do ...right?
Koresh was fu*king his own children ... as any dedicated man of God would want to do... right?
Koresh set fire to his own compound and committed suicide when he figured out that he was going to go to prison... as any dedicated man of God would want to do ...right?
As with Bundy the Feds just wanted to arrest a criminal and bring him to trial...the violence was all initiated by Koresh.
The heroes you guys pick just fu*king amaze me.
 
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Grant said:
You seem confused. I never said that.

What i did say was that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno were in charge when the men, women and children were murdered. They were also responsible for Ruby Ridge.

Now the leftists appear to want the same thing to happen in Nevada.It seems the only time they are pro war is when it's against their fellow Americans.
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No, I believe your statement is incorrect. I believe that the militia groups along with Bundy want something bad to happen so they, like you, can place blame squarely upon a political party (Democrats).

What other reasons would they have for putting women and children on the front line of a confrontation?

I don't believe you're going to get your wish. I believe Bundy will be arrested without a siege and without great loss of life.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Koresh was in the process of making his semi automatic weapons fully automatic...as any dedicated man of God would want to do ...right?
Koresh was fu*king his own children ... as any dedicated man of God would want to do... right?
Koresh set fire to his own compound and committed suicide when he figured out that he was going to go to prison... as any dedicated man of God would want to do ...right?
As with Bundy the Feds just wanted to arrest a criminal and bring him to trial...the violence was all initiated by Koresh.
The heroes you guys pick just fu*king amaze me.
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Again, your comprehensions skills are lacking. Nowhere did I say Koresh, or anyone, was a "hero". Read what is being said. As well you should actually read up on what happened and you'll be genuinely amazed by the facts, not your imagination. Seventy nine men, women and children murdered, incinerated, by the Feds. That's a fact.
 
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Bundy is a thief, a freeloader, an interloper, a con man AND a liar.
No Bundy family member ever grazed their cattle on that land before 1954.
You have all been had.
 
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AJiveMan said:
No, I believe your statement is incorrect. I believe that the militia groups along with Bundy want something bad to happen so they, like you, can place blame squarely upon a political party (Democrats).

What other reasons would they have for putting women and children on the front line of a confrontation?

I don't believe you're going to get your wish. I believe Bundy will be arrested without a siege and without great loss of life.
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I don't want any loss of life as it's completely unnecessary. There seems little doubt that Bundy is in the wrong but leading politicians like Harry Reid calling these people "domestic terrorists' shows no responsibility and only inflames the situation.

Reid and others should be preaching calm rather than bringing in SWAT teams and armed troops. It's already cost the government more that they will ever collect and a lien would have been much more cost effective than what we have now, and everything would have settled down.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Bundy is a thief, a freeloader, an interloper, a con man AND a liar.
No Bundy family member ever grazed their cattle on that land before 1954.
You have all been had.
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Time to open fire, huh?
 
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Grant said:
Again, your comprehensions skills are lacking. Nowhere did I say Koresh, or anyone, was a "hero". Read what is being said. As well you should actually read up on what happened and you'll be genuinely amazed by the facts, not your imagination. Seventy nine men, women and children murdered, incinerated, by the Feds. That's a fact.
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Fires broke out in several places within the compound simultaneously. Investigations by forensic fire experts concluded that Koresh and his people set fire to their own compound.
The Feds tear-gassed them, the Davidians incinerated themselves.
Read the text you linked;
Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children, including David Koresh, died...
a government investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members themselves had started the fire.
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Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Grant said:
Time to open fire, huh?
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That may be what YOU want ...but no.
Time to make some arrests and impound some cattle.
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's funny, really, that he'd paid his grazing fees to the fed up until 1993, at which point he ceased payments. I wonder if that's when he decided that he would no longer recognize the fed? But he continued allowing his cattle to graze on fed land. So he must consider himself a "free grazer" LOL.
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1993 is when Bill Clinton took office.
That is why Bundy stopped paying the fees to the BLM.
 
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Grant said:
I don't want any loss of life as it's completely unnecessary. There seems little doubt that Bundy is in the wrong but leading politicians like Harry Reid calling these people "domestic terrorists' shows no responsibility and only inflames the situation.

Reid and others should be preaching calm rather than bringing in SWAT teams and armed troops. It's already cost the government more that they will ever collect and a lien would have been much more cost effective than what we have now, and everything would have settled down.
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The SWAT teams and armed troops were brought in as a response to militia groups being called to arms by Bundy organizers from across the country.
Their terrorist tactics using women and children as shields in their armed confrontation with law enforcement and the bombing of US Forest Service offices was accurately described by Senator Reid.
 
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Buck Ewer said:

Scumball coward sniper "Eric"who hid on the bridge.
When interviewed;

This asshole not only was so cowardly that he aimed his rifle at the federal officers from his hiding place, but he enthusiastically told us that the terrorist tactic of putting their children out front in their planned, armed confrontation was "absolutely" a good idea.
Terrorists ... Harry was "absolutely" correct.
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If Bundy doesn't believe there is a federal government, and these hillbillies hate the government so much, how about we just deport them all, Delta is ready when they are. They can pretend to be an army somewhere else.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The SWAT teams and armed troops were brought in as a response to militia groups being called to arms by Bundy organizers from across the country.
Their terrorist tactics using women and children as shields in their armed confrontation with law enforcement was accurately described by Senator Reid.
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Militia's only showed up after days of confrontation and showed up not because Bundy asked them to. Second, women and children were used by MLK in Birmingham as well - so by your logic MLK was a "terrorist". Nice dude.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
1993 is when Bill Clinton took office.
That is why Bundy stopped paying the fees to the BLM.
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But that doesn't give much credibility to his (Bundy's) argument, if he has one about paying only when republicans are in the oval office, if that's his line of reasoning. Bush held office for 8 years, and he still didn't pay up. He just suddenly one day in 1993 decided to stop.

I'd love to know his real reason/s. I'd also like to see court documents of the orders he received to remit what he owed. I'd like to see the federal orders that were made against him.
 
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Ockham said:
Militia's only showed up after days of confrontation and showed up not because Bundy asked them to. Second, women and children were used by MLK in Birmingham as well - so by your logic MLK was a "terrorist". Nice dude.
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Another, "Bundy is like MLK" argument. The Right really is something. Shameless comes to mind.
 
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calamity said:
Another, "Bundy is like MLK" argument. The Right really is something. Shameless comes to mind.
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It's historical fact MLK used the same tactic... you dispute this?
 
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Ockham said:
Militia's only showed up after days of confrontation and showed up not because Bundy asked them to. Second, women and children were used by MLK in Birmingham as well - so by your logic MLK was a "terrorist". Nice dude.
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Bundy organizers are on the record admitting that they sent out a call to arms across the country to come to Nevada.

Completely off topic but MLK did not bring weapons or put out a call to arms when he organized a peaceful march in Birmingham.
Nice try ...DUDE!
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Completely off topic but MLK did not bring weapons or put out a call to arms when he organized a peaceful march in Birmingham.
Nice try ...DUDE!
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You're being dishonest and creating a strawman. The tactic is using women and children. Do you dispute MLK in Birmingham used women and children and put them in front of cops, water cannons and cops brandishing guns and attack dogs?
 
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Ockham said:
You're being dishonest and creating a strawman. The tactic is using women and children. Do you dispute MLK in Birmingham used women and children and put them in front of cops, water cannons and cops brandishing guns and attack dogs?
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The diversionary straw man is all yours.
There were women and children present at MLKs peaceful march at Birmingham. All the violence came unexpectedly from the other side.
Are your sensibilities so warped by partisan politics that you see these two events as being similar? A peaceful demonstration and an armed insurrection?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Bundy organizers are on the record admitting that they sent out a call to arms across the country to come to Nevada.

Completely off topic but MLK did not bring weapons or put out a call to arms when he organized a peaceful march in Birmingham.
Nice try ...DUDE!
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That's the key difference between Bundy and his supporters, peaceful demonstrations were trying to go ahead in MLK rallies, not armed with firearms. If MLK supporters would have shown up with firearms, there might have been another civil war. MLK demonstrations turned ugly because police were instructed by city and state officials to stop the demonstrations.

I'm actually sort of surprised that people are equating civil rights marches to Bundy's situation. Bundy's civil rights were not violated as far as we know.

When civil rights activist marched, they marched as one big family, united for a common goal, men, women and children participated, without weapons. Proof that you do not need weapons to get your point across to lawmakers.
 
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calamity said:
It worked. Didn't it?
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LOL !!

No it didn't.

They made fools out of themselves in front of the entire Nation.
 
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Ockham said:
It's historical fact MLK used the same tactic... you dispute this?
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Were those people armed?
 
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Fenton said:
LOL !!

No it didn't.

They made fools out of themselves in front of the entire Nation.
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The only people making fools of themselves in front of the entire nation are those defending Bundy and the armed insurrectionists.

:lol: The best part is they think they are the patriots. :lol: The gvt could not buy that kind of free publicity in their effort to discredit the Far Right.
 
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calamity said:
Another, "Bundy is like MLK" argument. The Right really is something. Shameless comes to mind.
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Buck Ewer said:
Bundy organizers are on the record admitting that they sent out a call to arms across the country to come to Nevada.

Completely off topic but MLK did not bring weapons or put out a call to arms when he organized a peaceful march in Birmingham.
Nice try ...DUDE!
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Buck Ewer said:
The diversionary straw man is all yours.
There were women and children present at MLKs peaceful march at Birmingham. All the violence came unexpectedly from the other side.
Are your sensibilities so warped by partisan politics that you see these two events as being similar? A peaceful demonstration and an armed insurrection?
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You're lying or ignorant. Either way, you're wrong.

King Institute Resources
Children’s Crusade
Birmingham campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stanford.edu said:
While he faced criticism for exposing children to violence—most notably from Malcolm X, who said that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line”— King maintained that the demonstrations allowed children to develop “a sense of their own stake in freedom.” He later wrote, “Looking back, it is clear that the introduction of Birmingham’s children into the campaign was one of the wisest moves we made. It brought a new impact to the crusade, and the impetus that we needed to win the struggle.” The success in Birmingham provided momentum for the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom and helped pave the way for passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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Educate yourself ffs and stop looking ignorant.
 
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calamity said:
Were those people armed?
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Irrelevant. The tactic you claimed was "shameless" and after Buck called Bundy a "terrorist" was using women and children.... so by your own words and logic, MLK is also "shameless" and a "terrorist".

This is the point in the program where you and Buck backpeddle and start the song and dance routine by not addressing the issue. :rofl
 
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