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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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Somerville said:
When people ask why the BLM has a special armed unit, or why they showed up with weapons to confiscate Bundy's cattle, the answer might be the history of conflicts in Nevada

Story from 1995
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Did they ever catch whoever did this?

Nonetheless, it seems as good an excuse as any for the Feds to go after private American citizens with armed troops and SWAT Teams.

Recall what happened to this man in order to continue an ongoing government lie. Alleged 'Innocence of Muslims' filmmaker taken in for interview - latimes.com
 
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Texmex said:
I don't need one of your family portraits to show me what a picture is.
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Naughty naughty - I do believe one might see your post as a personal attack, totally unrelated to the point I was making
 
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Grant said:
Did they ever catch whoever did this?

Nonetheless, it seems as good an excuse as any for the Feds to go after private American citizens with armed troops and SWAT Teams.

Recall what happened to this man in order to continue an ongoing government lie. Alleged 'Innocence of Muslims' filmmaker taken in for interview - latimes.com
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Do you bother to read your own links?
the Office of Probation in the Central District of California was reviewing whether Nakoula, who has been convicted on bank fraud charges, violated terms of his probation in relation to the video and its uploading onto the Internet.
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"On November 7, 2012, Nakoula pled guilty to four of the charges against him and was sentenced to one year in prison and four years of supervised release"


Then we have this
FEDERAL WORKERS: With death threats, Nev. conflict highlights dangerous side of public land management -- Thursday, April 17, 2014 -- www.eenews.net

Over the past week, the Bureau of Land Management's Facebook page has become a target for anti-government vitriol -- including death threats to the agency's employees.

"I hope each and every one of you get shot in the forehead," said a Monday post from a Facebook user identified as David Fry.

"Treason is a hangable offence and America has a lot of rope!!" said a Tuesday post from a user identified as Jack Conwell.

Amid threats of gunfire, BLM last weekend halted its weeklong roundup and impoundment of several hundreds of rancher Cliven Bundy's cattle
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The messages -- so far just threats -- underscore a dangerous side of public land management in the Silver State, the birthplace of the 1970s Sagebrush Rebellion that sought a state takeover of BLM lands and where bombs targeted BLM and Forest Service offices in 1990s.

"How can we go out to the field when we are the only people out, and there's no one within 50 miles?" said one BLM employee who asked not to be named, saying it's troubling to be threatened by the public he works for. "I work for the taxpayers. I work for you."
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calamity said:
It's true. I don't see those ranchers coming to the defense of wrongly accused Black boys. In fact, I didn't see a single brown skinned man among that crowd of angry whites.
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And? What's your point?
 
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Somerville said:
Do you bother to read your own links? "On November 7, 2012, Nakoula pled guilty to four of the charges against him and was sentenced to one year in prison and four years of supervised release"
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Yes, of course I'm familiar with the case. Several government officers arrived in the early morning hours, with the media alerted and present, to arrest the man who was alleged to have made the video that made the Muslims crazy enough with anger to attack the and kill four Americans in Benghazi. We know ths was a lie, or should know it by now. Do you really believe he was arrested for getting on the internet?


Then we have this
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Of course you will have that! If the government goes after their own people with SWAT Teams over what should be a minor incident do you expect the American people to remain indifferent to whats happening to their country? Not all Americans are sheep.
 
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Texmex said:
I'd like to know who the **** you think you are in telling other adults where they should be going and what they should be doing. And who are you to decree who does and does not have a job. You know, some people get vacation or comp time. Then their are people like me who are retired. I go where I want, when I want and I surely don't need some liberal like you mouthing off about where that happens to be.

BTW, one of the best things about this situation is watching you liberals get your panties all in wad because someone stands up against tyranny.
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Blah blah blah. I love that these are the oathkeepers, yet they have no qualms about leaving their families to camp out and play pretend patriot army. This isn't tyranny, you mock the very word by saying that. Bundy is a scofflaw, a freeloader who is stealing, and you all want to make him into a hero. Real men pay their damned bills, they don't need to call every angry hayseed with a gun out to fight the BLM which is 100% legal to do what it is doing, as has been found in the court of law.

You are all for the rule of law, except when you disagree with it. Hypocrisy....

And when you don't have an argument, you call someone a liberal...funny, as I voted mostly republican and libertarian in the last several elections....
 
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pogomutt said:
calamity said:
It's true. I don't see those ranchers coming to the defense of wrongly accused Black boys. In fact, I didn't see a single brown skinned man among that crowd of angry whites.
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And? What's your point?
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The sovereign citizen movement is almost exclusively composed of working class white guys. White guys with feelings of paranoia induced by a changing world in which they may no longer claim the top spot simply due to their ethnic background.
 
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Somerville said:
The sovereign citizen movement is almost exclusively composed of working class white guys. White guys with feelings of paranoia induced by a changing world in which they may no longer claim the top spot simply due to their ethnic background.
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The OWS more mostly White as well, though not apparently working and without class. What sociological insights have you gained from that?
 
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apdst said:
The land belongs to The People. Bundy is as much a part of The People as you are.
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Exactly, he's one three hundred millionth.
 
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pogomutt said:
And? What's your point?
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Grant said:
Yes, of course I'm familiar with the case. Several government officers arrived in the early morning hours, with the media alerted and present, to arrest the man who was alleged to have made the video that made the Muslims crazy enough with anger to attack the and kill four Americans in Benghazi. We know ths was a lie, or should know it by now. Do you really believe he was arrested for getting on the internet?


Of course you will have that! If the government goes after their own people with SWAT Teams over what should be a minor incident do you expect the American people to remain indifferent to whats happening to their country? Not all Americans are sheep.
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There may well have been other violations of his probation conditions, after all he did plead guilty to four separate charges - didn't he?

Actually what I 'know' about Benghazi is that the video did play a part in the attacks, as the protests the video caused provided cover for the armed attack by al Shabab militants. Things out in the real world are never as simple as far too many seemingly are unwilling to acknowledge.

Your words do appear to indicate that anonymous death threats to individuals working for the government are to be expected - nice society you seem to be trying to justify. What would be your reaction if one of those making threats actually carries them out? If they can be tracked down should those making threats be arrested or are they simply using their free speech rights?
 
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Grant said:
The OWS more mostly White as well, though not apparently working and without class. What sociological insights have you gained from that?
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That there are those who will denigrate their political opponents regardless of their ethnic origins or work status.


No mas!
 
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Texmex said:
I'd like to know who the **** you think you are in telling other adults where they should be going and what they should be doing. And who are you to decree who does and does not have a job. You know, some people get vacation or comp time. Then their are people like me who are retired. I go where I want, when I want and I surely don't need some liberal like you mouthing off about where that happens to be.

BTW, one of the best things about this situation is watching you liberals get your panties all in wad because someone stands up against tyranny.
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Tyranny? The guy owns 160 acres. That's enough to support about 100 cattle. He owns 10x that.

This is like some rich yacht owner parking their boat in Central Park and then calling tyranny when it's seized after 20 f'n years! You want tyranny, how about Etinne Syldor who had his home foreclosed on by Wels Fargo because he paid his mortgage early and the bank screwed up the paperwork. A 2012 audit of 400 foreclosures in San Fransisco found that 84% of them were fraudulent. Of 6100 in Guilford County NC between 2008 and 2010, 4500 showed at least signature irregularities.

Here we have actual people being actually cheated out of what is essentially their only property. Where was the outrage then? Now suddenly it's a rich white welfare king who was raising 10x more cattle than he could have legally; and after 20 years of litigation the government finally takes some action and it's tyranny.
 
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Texmex said:
Are you saying that crack houses are only operated and frequented by blacks? You only think it's blacks that have a problem with crack? Wow! A racist!
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Plenty of whites buy crack. But, you'd be pulling out a big lie if you deny that you are unaware of who mostly sells it. It's been in the news ever since prison terms for crack dealers began exceeding those for powder sellers.
 
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Well, this is interesting.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-ancestral-rights

KLAS in Las Vegas obtained property records showing that Bundy's parents purchased the family's ranch in 1948. The Bunkerville, Nev. ranch has been the site of a tense standoff with the federal government over Bundy's use of land managed by the Bureau of Land Management.
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But court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family's cattle didn't begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.)
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I think bundy will have plenty of company because he is following the traditions set out by these people.


Calling the federal agents surrounding his fortified compound "guns for hire," a New Hampshire man convicted of tax evasion vowed today that he and his wife would fight U.S. marshals to the death if they tried to capture them.

"Do not under any circumstances make any attempt on this land. We will not accept any tomfoolery by any criminal element, be it federal, state or local," said Ed Brown in a press conference from the stoop of his concrete-clad home in Plainfield, N.H. "We either walk out of here free or we die."

Brown and his wife, Elaine, were sentenced in absentia in April to serve 63 months in prison for failing to pay more than $1 million in income tax.

The couple, however, insists that there is no law that requires citizens to pay income tax.

"There is no law. We looked and looked," Brown told the press.

Brown and his supporters, including Randy Weaver, leader of the 1992 standoff with ATF agents at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, told the press that the government has unlawfully tricked people into believing they have to pay income tax, knowing full well that such a law would be unconstitutional.
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New Hampshire Couple Vows to Fight Feds to the Death - ABC News

Anti-Government Extremist Convicted in Plot to Kill Federal Officials

Anti-Government Extremist Convicted in Plot to Kill Federal Officials

An Idaho extremist and longtime activist in the anti-government sovereign citizen and tax protest movements was convicted in federal court for plotting to kill a federal judge, prosecutor and IRS agent who were involved in a tax case against him.



David Roland Hinkson, 48, of Grangeville, Idaho, was convicted by a jury in Boise on multiple counts of solicitation of a crime of violence and two additional counts of retaliation against a federal official by threatening a family member.



According to federal officials, Hinkson made statements at least a dozen times about hiring a hit man to kill the three officials. On one occasion, according to court documents, Hinkson told a woman that he wanted to kill the children of the IRS agent and prosecutor while they watched.



The judge, Edward Lodge, had angered Hinkson not only because Lodge was involved in his tax case, but because Lodge had in 1998 dismissed a criminal charge against an FBI sniper involved in the 1992 "Ruby Ridge" standoff between the federal government and white supremacist Randy Weaver. The sniper killed Weaver's wife during the standoff.
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Kobie said:
Don't they always piss and moan about people "stealing from the taxpayers"? Obama gets on a ****ing plane and it's the end of the republic, but a guy freeloads for 20 years and he's just a citizen fighting the man.
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I've never moaned about Obama's vacations, but there is a major difference. Obama's vacation costs the taxpayers money. Money the govt has is spent to send Obama on vacation. The govt does not spend any tax payer money on Bundy's grazing of cows on public land. Furthermore, the fee is not a tax...it's a fee. One which I agree he should pay. I simply disagree with the manner in which the BLM conducted itself.
 
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Somerville said:
That there are those who will denigrate their political opponents regardless of their ethnic origins or work status. No mas!
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Yes, in fact you did that earlier. Why?
 
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mac said:
I've never moaned about Obama's vacations, but there is a major difference. Obama's vacation costs the taxpayers money. Money the govt has is spent to send Obama on vacation. The govt does not spend any tax payer money on Bundy's grazing of cows on public land. Furthermore, the fee is not a tax...it's a fee. One which I agree he should pay. I simply disagree with the manner in which the BLM conducted itself.
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No reason why Obama's vacations can't be mentioned if the leftists are willing to use armed Fed troops and SWAT Teams to collect less from a Nevada rancher than the O's spend in one day on themselves. Perhaps they might get some perspective. Taxpayers shelled out $7.9 MILLION for Obamas' 2013 trip to Ireland | Mail Online
 
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pogomutt said:
So you don't have a point.
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Whenever it's pointed out that most of those who are defending someone who has done X or Y would not be so quick to defend them if they weren't white guys who looked like their Uncle Ron, I get the obtuse response, "Whatever do you mean?" It happens often, especially here.
 
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apdst said:
Its idiotic to say theres a difference.
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Let me guess, you're black too :lamo
 
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Dingy Harry is a domestic terrorrist...
 
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shrubnose said:
Try going to the U.S. Senate chamber and calling him that.
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why... Reids an absolute idiot and has called people like GWB much worse...Reidi should be in jail
 
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