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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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apdst said:
At what point did they provide Bundy the oppurtunity to pay up? They didn't. They stole his cows and that's it. This is about strong arming Bundy off the property so Reid's political friends can use it.
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You are ill informed. Do some research.

Again, link or something official to back your accusation please. If you have none, may I suggest you retract the statement and admit you were in error. Let's deal with the facts, not rumors and propaganda.

Read up on what domestic terrorism means.
 
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apdst said:
At what point did they provide Bundy the oppurtunity to pay up? They didn't. They stole his cows and that's it. This is about strong arming Bundy off the property so Reid's political friends can use it.
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So who is the actual "terrorist" here? Couldn't be Reid - he's an honest upright man, just trying to do his best for this country. His record surely proves that! :bs:
 
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Zyphlin said:
As a point of note....

Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.
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Terrorism is the use or threat of violence against the civilian population for achieving political goals. (Traditionally this has been the definition, under this regime it is anyone who'd dare stand up or oppose the Administration's will.)

Citizens taking up arms in defense of a Government using the threat of violence and in this case actual violence against a civilian population is in no way, shape, or form an act of terrorism. Using this term against American citizens is the most egregious display of what many have believed to be the thought of the political class here in America. When that corrupt POS called those people, American citizens, when he called them "domestic terrorists" he made the tin foil hat crowd look just a little more sane.
 
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All these conservatives backing a deadbeat moocher. And I'd thought conservatives hated deadbeats and moochers.

I wonder how many subsidies Bundy received from the government he hates so much.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Race card...why am I not surprised? I'd say more but whats the point? You are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you say here is true going by the tone of your post.
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the point is that the right simply excuses these thugs because they are their own. If they were the dreaded OTHER - then it would be a completely different and very opposite reaction from many of you.

And there is nothing wrong in any way shape or from in mentioning the role race plays in America since it does indeed play a role.
 
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AJiveMan said:
All these conservatives backing a deadbeat moocher. And I'd thought conservatives hated deadbeats ans moochers.
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Yeah, but this deadbeat is a right wing dead beat. Had he been an Occupier....
 
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ChezC3 said:
Terrorism is the use or threat of violence against the civilian population for achieving political goals. (Traditionally this has been the definition, under this regime it is anyone who'd dare stand up or oppose the Administration's will.)

Citizens taking up arms in defense of a Government using the threat of violence and in this case actual violence against a civilian population is in no way, shape, or form an act of terrorism. Using this term against American citizens is the most egregious display of what many have believed to be the thought of the political class here in America. When that corrupt POS called those people, American citizens, when he called them "domestic terrorists" he made the tin foil hat crowd look just a little more sane.
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Here, I'll post this once again;

FBI — Terrorism Definition

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;
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That is but one, there are two others which do not apply to this situation.

This is not from a blog either, it is from the FBI website.

What part of this don't you tin foil hatters understand?

So basically, these militias showed up to intimidate and coerce federal agents by being armed.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Dude is more man than you will ever hope to be.
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I don't steal, I pay my bills. This guy is unamerican.

The hillbillies with guns defending this guy are idiots, and if they shoot a fed, they can expect an overwhelming response.
 
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polgara said:
So who is the actual "terrorist" here? Couldn't be Reid - he's an honest upright man, just trying to do his best for this country. His record surely proves that! :bs:
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I just heard the quote of Reid on the radio. He said that the people that came to Bundy's aid had automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are almost impossible to get, I wonder where he is getting this information? Any lefties care to defend this idiot? He also said something to the effect of that they have children lined up out fron in hopes that they will get hurt first by the federal government.

Is this guy crazy? I think it is time for him to resign. These remarks are outrageous. The fedral government is here to serve us, not the other way around.
 
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beefheart said:
I don't steal, I pay my bills. This guy is unamerican.

The hillbillies with guns defending this guy are idiots, and if they shoot a fed, they can expect an overwhelming response.
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The "feds" almost got their ass handed to them at Waco. Plus I don't think you know all the ins and outs of the case, I don't think this guy is doing this just for kicks.
 
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Cryptic said:
Yeah, but this deadbeat is a right wing dead beat. Had he been an Occupier....
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Hypocrisy...they are soaking in it...
 
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AJiveMan said:
Here, I'll post this once again;

FBI — Terrorism Definition



That is but one, there are two others which do not apply to this situation.

This is not from a blog either, it is from the FBI website.

What part of this don't you tin foil hatters understand?

So basically, these militias showed up to intimidate and coerce federal agents by being armed.
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:lamo

What don't you Obama leg humpers not get? He'll throw you under the bus just like he did everyone else.

The FBI under this admin updated that information to include political dissenters... You know, those evil evil people who care too much for liberty...


:roll:
 
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ChezC3 said:
:lamo

What don't you Obama leg humpers not get? He'll throw you under the bus just like he did everyone else.

The FBI under this admin updated that information to include political dissenters... You know, those evil evil people who care too much for liberty...


:roll:
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Actually nope. Domestic terrorism was redefined after the 9/11 attacks, via the patriot act. Nice try at spinning though.
 
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apdst said:
You people are cut from the same cloth as the folks that labelled Martin Luther King a criminal.
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No, you are just using hyperbole. MLK didn't spend 20 years evading payment while continuing to steal.

Nice attempt at a personal attack by adding "people" to the post.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
The "feds" almost got their ass handed to them at Waco. Plus I don't think you know all the ins and outs of the case, I don't think this guy is doing this just for kicks.
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Go ahead and defend the cult leader and child rapist David Koresh all you want.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Go ahead and defend the cult leader and child rapist David Koresh all you want.
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Actually if you will read my earlier posts on that, I believe Koresh got exactly what he deserved. But if the G would have wanted to do something similar at the Bundy Ranch. They would have.
 
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beefheart said:
Baloney. Stop the chest beating hyperbole. This is nowhere near anything comparable to the revolutionary war. Put your bullet back in your pocket, the kooks are not going to snipe at Federal agents without overwhelming force counterattacking and turning them into daisy propellant.
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The Feds happened to have been outgunned and manned. Both sides would have been equally bloodied first. Once the Feds then turn people into daisy propellant its on like donkey kong. There are people on both sides looking for an excuse to engage. That's bad for both sides. The government likes to think they could win when their citizens start thinking they make good targets for shooting generally get disabused of that silly notion. Armed citizens roaming about your backyard is not conducive to smooth running operations to suppress said groups. I was in Iraq and a target of the insurgency. Believe me the heavy hand required to suppress an insurgency will just foment more. There are NO good choices for the government if they continue in the vein they are. Squeezing on a armed population is like squeezing on a balloon filled with acid. Its a bitch to control and if you squeeze too much you get burned.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Here, I'll post this once again;

FBI — Terrorism Definition




That is but one, there are two others which do not apply to this situation.

This is not from a blog either, it is from the FBI website.

What part of this don't you tin foil hatters understand?

So basically, these militias showed up to intimidate and coerce federal agents by being armed.
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And the feds showing up with 200 agents helicopters and automatic weapons is not a form of coercion. A form that was successfully resisted as we have seen as they backed off when it was shown people were willing to show up armed and in numbers which would make any attempt by the government to force the issue very costly. Both sides are playing a dangerous game.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Actually nope. Domestic terrorism was redefined after the 9/11 attacks, via the patriot act. Nice try at spinning though.
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That make you feel any safer?
 
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polgara said:
:agree: :thumbs: Seems to be a lot of that going around lately! Why do I get the feeling that they're disappointed because they haven't been able to impose martial law long before now - we are such a trial for them because we just won't play the way they thought we would? Maybe we're not sheeple after all, damn our worhless hides.... :lol:

Good Friday morning, apdst. :2wave:
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Oh there are plenty of sheeple, unfortunately for the powers that be there seem to be an abundance of sheep dogs growling and snapping at the wolves.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
There are NO good choices for the government if they continue in the vein they are. Squeezing on a armed population is like squeezing on a balloon filled with acid. Its a bitch to control and if you squeeze too much you get burned.
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So you think it sets a good precedence that as long as a group is heavily armed, they should get away with what ever they want to and the feds should just back down. THAT'S the precedence YOU want to set by having the feds back down.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
And the feds showing up with 200 agents helicopters and automatic weapons is not a form of coercion. A form that was successfully resisted as we have seen as they backed off when it was shown people were willing to show up armed and in numbers which would make any attempt by the government to force the issue very costly. Both sides are playing a dangerous game.
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Most federal law enforcement agents I've ever had contact with are armed, especially serving papers, warrants, or confiscating property. The FBI probably forewarned the BLM of possible interference from armed militias. You know, the be prepared thing.





PirateMk1 said:
That make you feel any safer?
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What the hell are you talking about now?
 
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The way the government defines words like terrorism and treason is self serving nonsense, and frankly, I don't care what they think is terrorism or treason.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So you think it sets a good precedence that as long as a group is heavily armed, they should get away with what ever they want to and the feds should just back down. THAT'S the precedence YOU want to set by having the feds back down.
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People in this country don't normally get pissed off enough to show up hundreds of miles from their home armed to the teeth ready to get themselves killed. You think those people were under ANY illusions about the end result of that standoff turning into a shootout? I don't think they were. It tells me how pissed they were. So as far as precedence yes its a good thing. It puts the wolves in government on notice that the sheep dogs are still numerous and still have teeth and are willing to use them. If they don't want to get bit they need to back off. So yes I am fine with the precedence.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Actually nope. Domestic terrorism was redefined after the 9/11 attacks, via the patriot act. Nice try at spinning though.
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OK, got me, I misspoke, though Obama did have to sign the extension to that act, but I'll concede the point none the less. I wasn't spinning, I was thinking of something else.

michellemalkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

that and various other politically motivated attacks against the opposition..

I'm allowed to be wrong once, right?...:shrug:

As we return though, I don't see anything in the FBI definition which could be applied to this case, unless of course you go into that whole loosely interpreted charade this Admin likes to do so frequently...
 
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