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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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apdst said:
How many G-men, armed to the teeth showed at Charlie Rangel's house when he evaded his tax obligation?
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How many years did Rangel refuse to pay the bill after a court ordered him to do so?
If Bundy had just paid what he owed, none of this would have happened.

You call Bundy a criminal, but so far no warrant for his arrest has been sworn and served. Why not?
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You've called people in the Obama administration criminals, but no warrants for their arrest. Why not?
 
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tres borrachos said:
That is not a threat.
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They stopped law enforcement from doing their jobs already. A criminal action.

It's not a direct threat. But it's a threat.
 
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Deuce said:
They stopped law enforcement from doing their jobs already. A criminal action.

It's not a direct threat. But it's a threat.
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If I say "If someone breaks into my house to hurt me or my kids I wouldn't hesitate to shoot" I can not get arrested for that.

That one unnamed person didn't threaten anyone. If he did, he would have been arrested by now.
 
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Deuce said:
I said threatening law enforcement. There's the threat. They stated their intention to provide armed response to law enforcement who try to enforce the law.
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That unnamed person never said "I will shoot law enforcement". For all you know, he could have been saying "We won't hesitate to shoot the cattle" or "We won't hesitate to shoot Bundy".

If he/she committed a crime, he/she would have been arrested by now.
 
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I just wish Reid would take his "People can't violate the law and walk away from it" attitude towards illegals. But I guess it's only good to talk tough when it's not possibly damaging politically and potentially when your family alledgedly have something to gain from doing so.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I just wish Reid would take his "People can't violate the law and walk away from it" attitude towards illegals. But I guess it's only good to talk tough when it's not possibly damaging politically and potentially when your family alledgedly have something to gain from doing so.
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Dare to dream, Zyphilin.
 
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keymanjim said:
Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'. So, you refuse to pay on the moral imperative that you should not have to give up your hard earned money to those that didn't earn it. Then your stock starts to disappear or is outright destroyed. Others hear about this and come to your aid to push back that group of men that have been harassing you.
So, tall us. Are the people defending any more wrong because they are protecting you from the government and not a bunch of street hoods? Since their actions are exactly that same.
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Ok, for your scenario to fit. That means you have to put your business on public park. You see you don't own the land. The government then comes to you and everyone else that has a business on that public park and tells them that there will be a fee for having that business on a public park, thus if they want to keep their business on a public park, they must pay the fee or relocate their business. The fee is quite reasonable being that its only 20% of the actual cost of upkeep of the land that you are using. The rest is born by the taxpayers. You refuse to pay that fee because you refuse to accept even the legal concept of a public park. You take your case to the courts and lose every time. Eventually, in this case after 20 years, the government with the backing of court judgements, seeks to collect the money you owe. You then get a bunch of armed militia types to show up and thwart a court order thus committing criminal contempt of court. The government eventually backs down because its not worth bloodshed, and you continue to freeload off the taxpayers.
 
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keymanjim said:
Oh, moral equivalence argument. Can I play?
Okay, here we go. Let's say you own a business. A business that has been in your family for generations And one day a group of men come in and say you will now pay them a fee or there will be 'consequences'.
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Is that business on private land, or public land? This does make a difference.
 
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So going back to the OP....is it okay again to say "terrorists"? No more of that "man-caused disaster" crap?

Even David Gregory was saying this morning on Morning Joe that it was very irresponsible of Reid to use the term "domestic terrorist".
 
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tres borrachos said:
So going back to the OP....is it okay again to say "terrorists"? No more of that "man-caused disaster" crap?

Even David Gregory was saying this morning on Morning Joe that it was very irresponsible of Reid to use the term "domestic terrorist".
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"Terrorist"?- probably not accurate. Just another form of a politicized street gang? - very accurate.
 
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Cryptic said:
"Terrorist"?- probably not accurate. Just another form of a politicized street gang? - very accurate.
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On this we can agree. I would call them a "gang". I think it is very dangeous and out of line for Reid to use the term "terrorist" and not because I subscribed to Napolitano's instructions to use another term.
 
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As a point of note....

Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.
 
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Deuce said:
How many years did Rangel refuse to pay the bill after a court ordered him to do so?
If Bundy had just paid what he owed, none of this would have happened.


You've called people in the Obama administration criminals, but no warrants for their arrest. Why not?
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Why didn't law enforcement just show up with an arrest warrant and arrest Bundy? Because this doesn't have a damn thing to do with no measely million bucks. This was a probe, to test the reaction of the people to the government imposing its will by force.
 
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Zyphlin said:
As a point of note....

Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.
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It's an attempt by a discredited, crooked politician to discredit his enemies. By turning Brundy into a terrorist, he's no longer a trusted American citizen.
 
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tres borrachos said:
On this we can agree. I would call them a "gang". I think it is very dangeous and out of line for Reid to use the term "terrorist" and not because I subscribed to Napolitano's instructions to use another term.
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Thanks. Even the term "gang" probably does not describe all the protesters. When I looked at the photogrpahs, there seemed to be two distinct groups of protesters:

-Men who were obviously ranchers. Many were on horseback. Only one of these men was armed and he was armed with a pistol.
-Militia types (I doubt they had ever ranched in their life) decked out in camoflauge and armed with AR-15 type weapons. They also had walk talkies etc.

None of the ranchers took up firing positions over looking the BLM agents. Rather, they were there simply to protest. Likewise, none of the ranchers appeared to try to surround the BLM agents by moving through the brush on their sides. Rather, it was the militia gangsters doing this junk and also serving as self appointed body guards to Bundy.

What conservative politicians need to realize, is that once the militia gangster genie is summoned, it can be very hard to put them back into the bottle. Just ask both the Ukrainians and the Russians.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Ok, for your scenario to fit. That means you have to put your business on public park. You see you don't own the land. The government then comes to you and everyone else that has a business on that public park and tells them that there will be a fee for having that business on a public park, thus if they want to keep their business on a public park, they must pay the fee or relocate their business. The fee is quite reasonable being that its only 20% of the actual cost of upkeep of the land that you are using. The rest is born by the taxpayers. You refuse to pay that fee because you refuse to accept even the legal concept of a public park. You take your case to the courts and lose every time. Eventually, in this case after 20 years, the government with the backing of court judgements, seeks to collect the money you owe. You then get a bunch of armed militia types to show up and thwart a court order thus committing criminal contempt of court. The government eventually backs down because its not worth bloodshed, and you continue to freeload off the taxpayers.
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The BLM never had any intention of collecting the money.
 
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reinoe said:
Reid is right. These terrorists are using threats of violence to get what they want after the judicial system didn't go their way. 2nd amendment solutions to civil discourse is not the answer.
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Have you ever seen a black panther protest?
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
Americans have the right to peaceful protest. Armed resistance does not classify as protest. I can't believe I even have to clarify that point. I mean really, buy a dictionary.
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The American people have the right to keep and bear arms....even while protesting.
 
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apdst said:
Why didn't law enforcement just show up with an arrest warrant and arrest Bundy? Because this doesn't have a damn thing to do with no measely million bucks. This was a probe, to test the reaction of the people to the government imposing its will by force.
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:agree: :thumbs: Seems to be a lot of that going around lately! Why do I get the feeling that they're disappointed because they haven't been able to impose martial law long before now - we are such a trial for them because we just won't play the way they thought we would? Maybe we're not sheeple after all, damn our worhless hides.... :lol:

Good Friday morning, apdst. :2wave:
 
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Zyphlin said:
As a point of note....

Isn't terrorism, in part, based around the notion of attempting to target and or intimidate the civilian population as a means of pushing a political message? It seems all of Bundy and his supporters actions have been focused on government employees.

That doesn't suggeset that it's right. I'm just curious if "terrorist" is the right wrong, especially with how reticent Reid and others on his side general are when using that term in other instances.
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To clarify "Domestic Terrorism"

FBI — Terrorism Definition

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
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apdst said:
The BLM never had any intention of collecting the money.
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Link or proof of the accusation here please.
 
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beefheart said:
Hyperbole

The feds offer grazing land at a very very cheap price, if he wanted to pay another rancher to use private land he should, but no...he has to be a moocher, a cheat, a welfare queen.

Real men pay their bills
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Dude is more man than you will ever hope to be.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Link or proof of the accusation here please.
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At what point did they provide Bundy the oppurtunity to pay up? They didn't. They stole his cows and that's it. This is about strong arming Bundy off the property so Reid's political friends can use it.
 
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