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Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

So Jews that live in Ukraine have been issued fake registration demands so as Americans would lose their 2A rights in baring arms?

Is the thread hijacked or is it still an attempt at hijacking a thread?
 
Sounds like Putin wants to distract from his actions in Crimea.

I dont know his 'position' on Jews. Maybe he'd even set it up so he could 'save' them or restore their security, as a bargaining chip.
 
Ockham said:
Given the history and 6 million jews murdered in the holocaust and the amount of anti-semetic views still in much of Europe, I can't blame the reaction to believe it would be anti-semetic.
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What else could it be?

(If not diversionary)
 
Rainman05 said:
... did you read what I wrote?

Jews aren't in any way more special than tartars are. And tartars were targeted and intimidated before the referendum in Crimea, over 200k of them, and they were denied the chance to vote in the referendum too. Why? To crush dissent. To make sure that nobody voices an opposing point of view. to make it seem that all of crimea was in one mind.

It's the same now in eastern ukraine with the regions that are very unstable and full of pro-russian activists. Only now, it's with jews because jewish groups have voiced pro-ukrainian comments and stances and hence, like the tartars in Crimea, they have to be silenced. The eastern part of Ukraine must be seen as being overwhelmingly pro-russian. So it has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

Again, I repeat myself. I'm not saying that every single individual who is taking part in intimidating and silencing opposition voices has no anti-semitic sentiments. I'm saying that the principle reason for this action is to silence dissent. if the jewish groups in Ukraine had voiced pro-russian sentiments instead of pro-ukranian ones, the jews in eastern ukraine wouldn't have been targetted.

So it's not anti-semitic motivation. It's censorship. there must be no dissent.




You are completely missing the point. Or like others here, are incapable of understanding the point. Read above.
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Censorship of Jews. As a group.

Anti-semitism. There have always been 'reasons' to hate or discriminate or 'register' Jews.
 
Sherman123 said:
Pushilin, the 'Peoples Governor', admitted it came from his organization but did not confirm that he authorized it. Most are alleging that the separatist secretary Kriakov is probably behind it due to his extreme antisemetic views and connections to slavic Neo-Nazi groups.
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Fair enough, but the point stands.. both sides have anti-Semitic tendencies.. well racist and xenophobic more likely, and going at one side without the other only legitimises one sides anti-Semitism... because it has not been brought up by the western media because they dont want to taint the Kiev government or its supporters.
 
Rainman05 said:
What do you know of eastern europe cardinal? What do you understand of this place in the world other than it's "a bit west of russia". Pathetic.

Your assumption are completely unfounded and try and paint a picture that doesn't exist.

This is happening because a lot of jews and jewish organizations in Ukraine have came out very outspokenly in support of ukrainian independence and territorial integrity. And hence, the pro-russian forces in eastern Ukraine have decided, in order to suppress dissent to the occupation and the inevitable path for russian annexation of eastern ukraine, to intimidate and scare the jews into silence and submission. Just like they did with the tartars in Crimea. It's not about anti-semitism. It's about being eficient at suppressing dissent and it's easy to target a group of people based on their ethnicity. So just target them and the jews who support Ukraine, as per the declaration of jewish organizations, will be intimidated and less likely to cause problems.

You're both talking out of your asses about things you have no understanding of.
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What's pathetic is you defending this. I've always kind of felt that history repeating itself couldn't happen. Surely we wouldn't sit around and just let it happen again. Apparently I was wrong.
 
X Factor said:
What's pathetic is you defending this. I've always kind of felt that history repeating itself couldn't happen. Surely we wouldn't sit around and just let it happen again. Apparently I was wrong.
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You can't find solutions to a situation if you don't understand what is happening. You don't understand what is happening. You're substituting a complex but easy to understand situation with a cheap-to-use flash-word.

Do you watch house of cards? You remember in season 1 as they were saying that "disorganized labor" stuff? everyone had a marching order in the democrat party to say "disorganized labor", "disorganized labor" to inflict on people an automated response. Associate that flash word, that catch phrase with something. Doesn't matter if it was true or not.
Well that's what you're doing here only the flash word is already coined and the imagery behind it is already established. It just being used by you and those who think like you to describe a situation where it is not fit to be used. You're taking reality and supplanting it with a make-belief version.

I'm also not defending anything. You show me where I was defending this. I am just explaining what is happening. That's not defending, that's educating.
 
And here I was thinking that the fascists moved to South America after the war! :mrgreen:

 
TheDemSocialist said:
Another source: That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake
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It's excellent if true that the flyers are not backed up by government authority. That said, in your own link.

Instead, Weiss says, the flyers were distributed simply to “cause anxiety” among the city’s Jewish population. In an online announcement about the fliers, NCSJ said similar fliers were recently handed out to students at a nearby university.
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Along with other other antisemitic acts it's unfortunate about ongoing hostility to Jews in the region.
 
PoS said:
If the Jews had guns there would have been no holocaust. ;)
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France got rolled over by the German military at the time. I don't think some Jews with rifles were going to fare much better.
 
This whole thing is without a doubt yet another false flag operation initiated by the jews themselves that is intended to outrage and force America, and others, into the conflict.
 
Mosby said:
This whole thing is without a doubt yet another false flag operation initiated by the jews themselves that is intended to outrage and force America, and others, into the conflict.
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Yeah, you know how those Jews are.


You know where you can stuff your bigotry, Mr. Duke.
 
X Factor said:
Yeah, you know how those Jews are.


You know where you can stuff your bigotry, Mr. Duke.
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It's not "bigotry" it's not "racism" and it's not "anti-semitism" or any other ism-word they invented. It's just the truth.

You'd think that someone with such a favorable opinion of "diversity" would be a bit more tolerant of others opinions. Afterall, diversity is what makes us stronger right?
 
Mosby said:
It's not "bigotry" it's not "racism" and it's not "anti-semitism" or any other ism-word they invented. It's just the truth.

You'd think that someone with such a favorable opinion of "diversity" would be a bit more tolerant of others opinions. Afterall, diversity is what makes us stronger right?
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Bigots always like to throw that kind of line around when they get called out for being bigots.

Your "it's obviously a false flag attack" is not an "opinion," it's a statement of not-fact.
 
Mosby said:
It's not "bigotry" it's not "racism" and it's not "anti-semitism" or any other ism-word they invented. It's just the truth.

You'd think that someone with such a favorable opinion of "diversity" would be a bit more tolerant of others opinions. Afterall, diversity is what makes us stronger right?
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Yeah, douchebag bigots should be able to say what they want and we should be "tolerant" enough of other opinions to the point where we'd never want to use the force of the law to keep them quiet. Beyond that, we can express our own opinion of their idiocy.

You making up bull**** claims you can't back up is not "just the truth". I doubt you'd recognize truth if it bit you on the ass. You claiming it's not bigotry or anti-Semitism either means you're self deluded or just a straight up liar.
 
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Kobie said:
Bigots always like to throw that kind of line around when they get called out for being bigots.
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“In a room where people unanimously maintain a conspiracy of silence, one word of truth sounds like a pistol shot.”
Czesław Miłosz
 
Mosby said:
It's not "bigotry" it's not "racism" and it's not "anti-semitism" or any other ism-word they invented. It's just the truth.

You'd think that someone with such a favorable opinion of "diversity" would be a bit more tolerant of others opinions. Afterall, diversity is what makes us stronger right?
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Don't confuse your opinion with 'the truth'. It's just an opinion and nothing more.
 
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