• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Hence, he can't be evicted.

I never stated the fed was trying to evict Bundy, where did you come up with spinning bullsheet?
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

The Feds cannot frighten the Russians, Syrians, Mexicans, or anyone else for that matter, so now their own people are going to get the brunt of their impotent outrage.
Its embarrassing watching the people that blindly support the administration and actually applaud their tactics in Nevada. Just...****ing embarrassing.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Its embarrassing watching the people that blindly support the administration and actually applaud their tactics in Nevada. Just...****ing embarrassing.

Still waiting for your suggestion.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Still waiting for that alternative of yours, since you're just so much smarter than the rest of us.
Lets see...without an entire team of lawyers and departments...how about a phone call to someone from Nevada...put him to the test re paying his 'fees' to Nevada vs the Fed for starters. How about shutting off power to his land.

No...No...Im sure there is NOTHING they could do but send in an army of goons only to have them run away like bitches and in the process turn the guy into a hero.

Bet you were real proud the day they stormed those Branch Davidians too. Hey...**** em...he had...like...tickets and stuff....

Holy ****. You actually APPLAUD their response.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Still waiting for your suggestion.
Oh there ARE no other choices Duece. The ONLY alternative you have is to send in an armed response unit. And then run away when he didnt cower before your might.

Because...THAT turned out SO WELL. Those "lines in the sand"...those are just the ****ing BEST.

:lamo

Holy ****.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Lets see...without an entire team of lawyers and departments...how about a phone call to someone from Nevada...put him to the test re paying his 'fees' to Nevada vs the Fed for starters. How about shutting off power to his land.

No...No...Im sure there is NOTHING they could do but send in an army of goons only to have them run away like bitches and in the process turn the guy into a hero.

Bet you were real proud the day they stormed those Branch Davidians too. Hey...**** em...he had...like...tickets and stuff....

Holy ****. You actually APPLAUD their response.

Wait ... are you really claiming the Branch Davidians only had "tickets"?

"Army of goons." The only "army of goons" was the militia ****kickers that descended upon the ranch and threatened to turn things into a firefight. What the fed set out to do was a routine seizure, and they likely brought weapons because they expected to face weapons. Because this asshole had threatened violence in the past.

"Call someone in Nevada." I'm sure, over the 20 years of legal wrangling, nobody ever thought to do that. It's quite obvious you haven't the foggiest clue what on earth you're talking about. You just want to turn everything into a goddamn pecker-measuring contest. Grow up.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

You are totally confused. The government backed down because they didn't want dead civilians lining up the desert. But, that's probably what Bundy supporters wanted, except, it didn't end that way.

Do you think Bundy has had the last word on this? If you do, you're kidding yourself.
You are like the rest that cant see the obvious.

They should have NEVER SENT IN AN ARMED RESPONSE TEAM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The administration cant manage a simple debt collection.

Thats ****ing embarrassing.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

You are like the rest that cant see the obvious.

They should have NEVER SENT IN AN ARMED RESPONSE TEAM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The administration cant manage a simple debt collection.

Thats ****ing embarrassing.

So you think they should have sent unarmed people to face what they anticipated to be armed resistance? Are you high?

Or don't send anybody. And keep doing the same thing they've been doing for 20 years that hasn't worked. Good plan.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Wait ... are you really claiming the Branch Davidians only had "tickets"?

"Army of goons." The only "army of goons" was the militia ****kickers that descended upon the ranch and threatened to turn things into a firefight. What the fed set out to do was a routine seizure, and they likely brought weapons because they expected to face weapons. Because this asshole had threatened violence in the past.

"Call someone in Nevada." I'm sure, over the 20 years of legal wrangling, nobody ever thought to do that. It's quite obvious you haven't the foggiest clue what on earth you're talking about. You just want to turn everything into a goddamn pecker-measuring contest. Grow up.
The army of armed goons was sent in by the fed. That incredibly stupid ****ing maneuver brought in the rest of them. And at the end of the day...how did that all work out? The administration spent more than it could possibly hope to collect...and didnt even collect. Thats pathetic. Almost as pathetic as the blind support of that response in the first place.

And you have it ass-backwards. YOU are the one embracing the pecker measuring contest...and your side came out on the short end.

Sad. Just...horribly horribly sad.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

So you think they should have sent unarmed people to face what they anticipated to be armed resistance? Are you high?

Or don't send anybody. And keep doing the same thing they've been doing for 20 years that hasn't worked. Good plan.
I guarantee you...thinking reasoned people can come up with a better response than sending in an armed response team.

Is that honest to God what YOU would have done?

cuz...

:lamo

No wonder the world thinks this administration is a joke. Talking **** and drawing lines in the sand...thats so...mom jeans.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Lets see...without an entire team of lawyers and departments...how about a phone call to someone from Nevada...put him to the test re paying his 'fees' to Nevada vs the Fed for starters. How about shutting off power to his land.

No...No...Im sure there is NOTHING they could do but send in an army of goons only to have them run away like bitches and in the process turn the guy into a hero.

Bet you were real proud the day they stormed those Branch Davidians too. Hey...**** em...he had...like...tickets and stuff....

Holy ****. You actually APPLAUD their response.

Guys been ignoring court orders for years. And the fees aren't owed to Nevada. You think he'll pay a million dollars in fees or just buy a generator? :lamo

I haven't applauded ****, you liar.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

The army of armed goons was sent in by the fed. That incredibly stupid ****ing maneuver brought in the rest of them. And at the end of the day...how did that all work out? The administration spent more than it could possibly hope to collect...and didnt even collect. Thats pathetic. Almost as pathetic as the blind support of that response in the first place.

And you have it ass-backwards. YOU are the one embracing the pecker measuring contest...and your side came out on the short end.

Sad. Just...horribly horribly sad.

Okay.

Do you know why, exactly, the fed sent in "an army of armed goons"?

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government

1995-96 bombings of Forest Service offices.

March 27, 2014: The BLM has closed off 322,000 acres of public land, and is preparing to collect Bundy's cattle. Bundy files a notice with the county sheriff department, titled “Range War Emergency Notice and Demand for Protection." Bundy also says he has a virtual army of supporters from all over the country ready to protect him. He also has Gardner. “I think Cliven is taking a stand not only for family ranchers, but also for every freedom-loving American, for everyone," Gardner said. "I’ve been trying to resolve these same types of issues since 1984. Perhaps it’s difficult for the average American to understand, but protecting the individual was a underlying factor of our government. ... My support is that I am determined to stand by the Bundy family in any fashion it takes regardless of the threat of life or limb."

They obviously knew damn well that, armed or not, this asshole was going to call in the militia kooks.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

So you think they should have sent unarmed people to face what they anticipated to be armed resistance? Are you high?

Or don't send anybody. And keep doing the same thing they've been doing for 20 years that hasn't worked. Good plan.

They should have simply placed a lein on his property and collected the money everytime Bundy took his cows to the sale and sent no one.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

I just want to make sure we are clear...YOU believe the best resolution was to send in a team of armed goons. Right?

:lamo

Well, let's look at the alternatives.

1. Do nothing.

2. Continue to fight the court battle.

3. Roundup the trespass cattle.

Now, assuming option 1 was off the table and option 2 hasn't worked for two decades, then option 3 it is. Now, in order to round up the trespass cattle, you need to send people to do it. And this guy has already said he'd bring in militia people to protect him, I don't think you have any choice but to bring in armed people in response, simply for the safety of the employees.

BTW, I love how the federal employees who were doing their jobs are "goons," yet the self-deputized militia types get so such pejorative. Patriots, I'm assuming?
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

They should have simply placed a lein on his property and collected the money everytime Bundy took his cows to the sale and sent no one.

A lien is words on paper. This guy has been ignoring paper for a long time now.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Lets see...without an entire team of lawyers and departments...how about a phone call to someone from Nevada...put him to the test re paying his 'fees' to Nevada vs the Fed for starters. How about shutting off power to his land.
I'm good with your suggestion that Bundy pay his fees to the State of Nevada, which charges $12 a head, not the Fed fee of $1.35.
You wouldn't suggest a person who doesn't believe in the fed get to pay the lower fed fee would you ?
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Do you think the best solution was to stop paying grazing fees when Clinton became President ?
I just want to make sure we are clear...YOU believe the best resolution was to send in a team of armed goons. Right?

:lamo
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Bet you were real proud the day they stormed those Branch Davidians too. Hey...**** em...he had...like...tickets and stuff...

Why would you accuse a person of being proud of the USA for "storming" the Branch Davidians?
Bringing up tickets and stuff to that event?
The only website I'm aware of with storm in it is stormfront.
Is that where you get this stuff ?
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Well, let's look at the alternatives.

1. Do nothing.

2. Continue to fight the court battle.

3. Roundup the trespass cattle.

Now, assuming option 1 was off the table and option 2 hasn't worked for two decades, then option 3 it is. Now, in order to round up the trespass cattle, you need to send people to do it. And this guy has already said he'd bring in militia people to protect him, I don't think you have any choice but to bring in armed people in response, simply for the safety of the employees.

BTW, I love how the federal employees who were doing their jobs are "goons," yet the self-deputized militia types get so such pejorative. Patriots, I'm assuming?

Bundy is depending on the court of public opinion and the armed militias that back him, what other reason would he have for doing interviews with right wing media? I have yet to see or hear him appeal to more neutral or left leaning media outlets. Is anyone surprised by his actions? He is living off the spin of the right.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Why would you accuse a person of being proud of the USA for "storming" the Branch Davidians?
Bringing up tickets and stuff to that event?
The only website I'm aware of with storm in it is stormfront.
Is that where you get this stuff ?

That's a very strange interpretation of his use of the word "storm."
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Guys been ignoring court orders for years. And the fees aren't owed to Nevada. You think he'll pay a million dollars in fees or just buy a generator? :lamo

I haven't applauded ****, you liar.
Dont know what he would do. I just know there is a better answer than sending in an army of armed BLM goons only to get bitchslapped and turn tail. Spending more than you could possibly collect...AND not collect in the process.

And yes...you have on pom poms. Of COURSE you applaud it.

What other CHOICE could they POSSIBLY have made?

:lamo
 
Back
Top Bottom