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Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

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It's getting desperate if you need compare the US President to Vladimir Putin in order to put him in a good light. It wasn't always this way.

Did you actually read the thread? Deuce wasn't the one who brought Putin into the conversation.

Anything to score a cheap partisan point, eh Grant?
 
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And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

Yay...you.

People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.

Yeah, they had two dozen snipers on an overpass with sniper rifles aimed at their skulls. Guess they didn't want to see a body count, which unfortunately is exactly what the snipers and armed militia were hoping for... women and children downed first, of course.

I honestly don't see how anyone with two brain-cells to rub together can support a guy who has been a law-breaking deadbeat for over 20 years, while every other rancher using public lands has paid their dollar+/head for land use, who has ignored a dozen lost lawsuits and court orders, and who calls for an armed insurrection when, after ignoring yet another court order, the feds finally come to haul his property off federal lands.

Do you think if I parked my car illegally on federal lands they'd give me 20 years to move the damned thing?? This is madness.
 
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Yeah, they had two dozen snipers on an overpass with sniper rifles aimed at their skulls. Guess they didn't want to see a body count, which unfortunately is exactly what the snipers and armed militia were hoping for... women and children downed first, of course.

I honestly don't see how anyone with two brain-cells to rub together can support a guy who has been a law-breaking deadbeat for over 20 years, while every other rancher using public lands has paid their dollar+/head for land use, who has ignored a dozen lost lawsuits and court orders, and who calls for an armed insurrection when, after ignoring yet another court order, the feds finally come to haul his property off federal lands.

Do you think if I parked my car illegally on federal lands they'd give me 20 years to move the damned thing?? This is madness.


The guy is acting like a mountain bum but he's no mountain bum, he can't get away with this.
 
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The guy is acting like a mountain bum but he's no mountain bum, he can't get away with this.

He's gotten away with it for 20 years. :shrug:

What stuns me is the blatant idiocy of people supporting the deadbeat thief.
 
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He's gotten away with it for 20 years. :shrug:

What stuns me is the blatant idiocy of people supporting the deadbeat thief.

It was just a chance for these guys to strut in front of news cameras with their guns. Any other time I really doubt this rancher would have given any of them the time of day.
 
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He's gotten away with it for 20 years. :shrug:

What stuns me is the blatant idiocy of people supporting the deadbeat thief.

How many women supported Bill Clinton even after it came out how he treats women?

Would you say they were blatant idiots?
 
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How many women supported Bill Clinton even after it came out how he treats women?

Would you say they were blatant idiots?

Moderator's Warning:
Topic is about Bundy/BLM, not Bill Clinton's womanizing. Please stay on topic and do not derail the thread.
 
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Yeah, they had two dozen snipers on an overpass with sniper rifles aimed at their skulls. Guess they didn't want to see a body count, which unfortunately is exactly what the snipers and armed militia were hoping for... women and children downed first, of course.

I honestly don't see how anyone with two brain-cells to rub together can support a guy who has been a law-breaking deadbeat for over 20 years, while every other rancher using public lands has paid their dollar+/head for land use, who has ignored a dozen lost lawsuits and court orders, and who calls for an armed insurrection when, after ignoring yet another court order, the feds finally come to haul his property off federal lands.

Do you think if I parked my car illegally on federal lands they'd give me 20 years to move the damned thing?? This is madness.
If they ignored your illegally parked car for 20 years, would the correct response be an armed federal task force with law enforcement officials threatening to fill caskets?

The Branch Davidians werent 'heroes'. People still get pissed when the fed response resulted in the slaughter of men women and children. Randy Weaver wasnt a 'hero'. Intentionally killing children and assassinating a mother holding a baby is still likely to inspire anger and hatred from ANY rational person. This incident wasnt the first time the fed has made dirtbags into 'heroes'. Hell...its not even the first time this administration has done so.
 
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If they ignored your illegally parked car for 20 years, would the correct response be an armed federal task force with law enforcement officials threatening to fill caskets?

They haven't ignored anything. They've got twenty years' worth of court orders, judgments, cease and desist orders, demands that he remove his cattle from public lands, demands that he pay back grazing fees... 20 freaking years!!! And for 20 freaking years Bundy has flipped them the finger and said, "Make me, bitches!" He is not a victim here. He is a deadbeat lawbreaker who thinks that even though hundreds, if not thousands of other ranchers around the country have paid their miniscule grazing fees, he's a special snowflake that can tell the law to eff off. And when the BLM finally says that's it, and gets a court order to remove the cattle themselves, Bundy screams bloody murder and surrounds himself with an army of trigger-happy militia with sniper rifles pointed at the skulls of officials sent to serve the court order on Bundy. Supporting this narcissistic criminal scum is sheer madness.

The Branch Davidians werent 'heroes'. People still get pissed when the fed response resulted in the slaughter of men women and children. Randy Weaver wasnt a 'hero'. Intentionally killing children and assassinating a mother holding a baby is still likely to inspire anger and hatred from ANY rational person. This incident wasnt the first time the fed has made dirtbags into 'heroes'. Hell...its not even the first time this administration has done so.

Tell you what. When federal officials go in and slaughter a bunch of women and children, then you can compare it with Waco and Ruby Ridge. Until then, it's nothing more than an irrelevant derailment hook that I'm not going to bite.
 
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They haven't ignored anything. They've got twenty years' worth of court orders, judgments, cease and desist orders, demands that he remove his cattle from public lands, demands that he pay back grazing fees... 20 freaking years!!! And for 20 freaking years Bundy has flipped them the finger and said, "Make me, bitches!" He is not a victim here. He is a deadbeat lawbreaker who thinks that even though hundreds, if not thousands of other ranchers around the country have paid their miniscule grazing fees, he's a special snowflake that can tell the law to eff off. And when the BLM finally says that's it, and gets a court order to remove the cattle themselves, Bundy screams bloody murder and surrounds himself with an army of trigger-happy militia with sniper rifles pointed at the skulls of officials sent to serve the court order on Bundy. Supporting this narcissistic criminal scum is sheer madness.



Tell you what. When federal officials go in and slaughter a bunch of women and children, then you can compare it with Waco and Ruby Ridge. Until then, it's nothing more than an irrelevant derailment hook that I'm not going to bite.
They ignored it for 20 years...then sent in an armed response unit...THEN went home like little bitches. They look impotent and foolish. See...thats what happens when you draw stupid lines in the sand. You end up looking every bit the bitch you are. Seriously...I mean...lets be totally real here. THATS the solution??? They decide to do somethign about it after 20 years and THAT was the best answer they could come up with?

Pathetic.
 
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They ignored it for 20 years...then sent in an armed response unit...THEN went home like little bitches. They look impotent and foolish. See...thats what happens when you draw stupid lines in the sand. You end up looking every bit the bitch you are. Seriously...I mean...lets be totally real here. THATS the solution??? They decide to do somethign about it after 20 years and THAT was the best answer they could come up with?

Pathetic.

They didn't "ignore it for 20 years." Going through the court system is not "ignoring" anything. Stop making stuff up.

And I love how the feds not escalating an armed confrontation with a bunch of ****kickers makes then "little bitches." Because clearly, the optimal solution would have been to blow a bunch of people away. Grow the **** up.
 
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They ignored it for 20 years...then sent in an armed response unit...THEN went home like little bitches. They look impotent and foolish. See...thats what happens when you draw stupid lines in the sand. You end up looking every bit the bitch you are. Seriously...I mean...lets be totally real here. THATS the solution??? They decide to do somethign about it after 20 years and THAT was the best answer they could come up with?

Pathetic.

They did not ignore it for 20 years. You can say it until hell freezes over, but that still won't make it true.

So, a handful of cruisers show up with a hundred or so people, women and children at the front of the pack, and about two dozen snipers on an overpass with their rifles aimed at the skull of everyone who was involved in trying to serve a court order. So they left because they didn't want to go home in a body bag, and they didn't want to open fire into a crowd of civilians. And you are calling them "bitches"?? Apparently you were disappointed that the body count ended up at zero.

That is what is Pathetic.
 
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They did not ignore it for 20 years. You can say it until hell freezes over, but that still won't make it true.

So, a handful of cruisers show up with a hundred or so people, women and children at the front of the pack, and about two dozen snipers on an overpass with their rifles aimed at the skull of everyone who was involved in trying to serve a court order. So they left because they didn't want to go home in a body bag, and they didn't want to open fire into a crowd of civilians. And you are calling them "bitches"?? Apparently you were disappointed that the body count ended up at zero.

That is what is Pathetic.

Precisely. The anti-government zealots were desperately rooting for this to turn into another Waco, and they're throwing a fit that it didn't. They've been wanting the feds (especially with Obama in charge) to prove one of their nutty conspiracy theories right (or at least not entirely wrong).
 
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Precisely. The anti-government zealots were desperately rooting for this to turn into another Waco, and they're throwing a fit that it didn't. They've been wanting the feds (especially with Obama in charge) to prove one of their nutty conspiracy theories right (or at least not entirely wrong).

and unfortunately for the freeloading cowboy, the government cannot just walk away from it at this point. If the govt tries it is inviting thi sort of behavior next time. I bet the cowboy and all his skirt hiding gooberment hating fellow cowboys end up in jail for obstruction of justice. It is, after all, all on film.
 
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Nevadans (and others) who hate Bundy don't understand that this isn't about Bundy or grazing rights, it's about the Constitution. It's about states' rights, and a galactically overreaching federal power, with supporters like Reid who should be representing their state but aren't.

The Constitution provides the federal government plenary authority over federal property.

and unfortunately for the freeloading cowboy, the government cannot just walk away from it at this point. If the govt tries it is inviting thi sort of behavior next time. I bet the cowboy and all his skirt hiding gooberment hating fellow cowboys end up in jail for obstruction of justice. It is, after all, all on film.

I think contempt would be the correct charge, as there is no investigation being interfered with.
 
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Nevadans (and others) who hate Bundy don't understand that this isn't about Bundy or grazing rights, it's about the Constitution. It's about states' rights, and a galactically overreaching federal power, with supporters like Reid who should be representing their state but aren't.

This is sheer nonsense.
 
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You are probably correct. I am not an attorney and did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...but I have had a couple of beers. :)
The Constitution provides the federal government plenary authority over federal property.



I think contempt would be the correct charge, as there is no investigation being interfered with.
 
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They did not ignore it for 20 years. You can say it until hell freezes over, but that still won't make it true.

So, a handful of cruisers show up with a hundred or so people, women and children at the front of the pack, and about two dozen snipers on an overpass with their rifles aimed at the skull of everyone who was involved in trying to serve a court order. So they left because they didn't want to go home in a body bag, and they didn't want to open fire into a crowd of civilians. And you are calling them "bitches"?? Apparently you were disappointed that the body count ended up at zero.

That is what is Pathetic.

The protesters were excercising their constititional rights.

What court order?
 
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The protesters were excercising their constititional rights.

There's a constitutional right to line up snipers aimed at law enforcement/federal officials serving official court orders? Wow. Who knew.

What court order?

The court order telling him to remove his cattle from public lands, or they will be removed for him I would imagine.
 
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There's a constitutional right to line up snipers aimed at law enforcement/federal officials serving official court orders? Wow. Who knew.



The court order telling him to remove his cattle from public lands, or they will be removed for him I would imagine.

Freedom of assembly, the right to bear arms and freedom of speech. Its right there in The Constitution.

The Bureau of Land Management isn't a law enforcement agency. They don't have the authority to show up and deploy snipers.

No, really, what court order.
 
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The protesters were excercising their constititional rights.

What court order?
You don't read much do you?

Bundy says that his family has grazed here since the nineteenth century and that he doesn't recognize the authority of the federal government. He has threatened resistance if anyone enforces the court order to remove his cattle from the wilderness.

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
 
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How is this different than WACO?

Other than the fact the people are armed and blatantly threatening the Government, and the fact it is all a reaction to law enforcement....uh....enforcing the law?

This is not the intent behind militia, and will likely be bad for the 2nd.

It was the government who first arrived with SWAT teams and guns. There was no need for that.
 
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Theres no doubt what Putin would have done...he would have eliminated the rancher. WHat he WOULDNT have done is send in a small army of armed government officials only to have them get bitch slapped and sent running.

I doubt you can see it but the point is that they look once again like impotent klowns. THATS the best solution they could come up with? Another idiotic 'line in the sand'? They couldnt have sat down with the Nevada officials, called him on his bluff to pay the state of Nevada not the fed? Everything they did makes the administration once again look like grade a fools. This administration cant successfully negotiate a solution to 1 cattle rancher in Nevada...is it any wonder people like Putin think Obama is a joke and they can pretty much do whatever they want without restraint? Being weak and portraying yourself as weak...well...shocking that others SEE you as weak. Obama is the political equivalent of Sid Gurney.

Wait, are you suggesting that the US government should just have murdered the rancher and all who supported him so that they "look tough?"
 
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It was the government who first arrived with SWAT teams and guns. There was no need for that.

That's what happens when you threaten the government with resistance.
 
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Wait, are you suggesting that the US government should just have murdered the rancher and all who supported him so that they "look tough?"
No. They shouldnt have sent an armed response team in in the first damn place. This administration goes out of its way to draw lines in the sand. Seriously...THATS the best response you have to a guy that wont pay his bills? Lord help us if you have to actually handle something that ****ing matters.
 
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