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Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat[W:208]

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Shout the Grunt Leader Battle Cry- "FOLLOW ME!" and have at it....

You are obviously unaware of sarcasm and humor. Robot.:roll:
 
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Keep the CON alive!!!! It MAY have been.... ahhh the loving embrace of 'may have been'!!!!
Snopes didn't provide if it was part of the ENN plan prior to June 2013 when ENN dropped interest. So it's accurate to say it may have been, unless you have evidence it was not. Well.... do you?
 
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Any proof the 'government' wants THAT land for solar power, or just more CON crap to deflect from a long time thief, who as ignored the courts BTW, FINALLY, not suddenly getting the LAW enforced on his arrogant butt.

"Troops" have been on the border for decades, this admin has been rounding up MORE illegals than the BushII one. You are just slinging crap to avoid the facts about Bundy and his long time law breaking. He wasn't ignored, the court system took time to try and give the putz time to back down and remove his cattle. :doh

I doubt you have rounded up a single cow in your lifetime much less hundreds at a time... it takes a small 'army' on thousands of acres. Bundy and a few rather rabid self proclaimed militia types have ranted online about this and it would be disgraceful to send civilian wranglers into a hot mess without LE to safeguard them.

The government banned grazing in 1993, has been to court over it and the final straw was Bundy ignoring a court order to REMOVE his cattle.

I agree the BLM should have continued the round-up, Bundy is pushing for a violent confrontation. But I can imagine the CON bloggers firing up- but not flocking to the fire fight- calling any confrontation another 'Waco' :roll:

I can't find where an 'administration official' said anything about filling coffins.... where is that???

Nawww, if a bunch of city takers squatted in a National park, detroying the flora, crapping everywhere, and defied court orders to vacate are you saying you'd tell us you're ok with that..... time for you to be honest.... :cool:
You will be hard pressed to find ANYWHERE that I have defended Bundy or said they shouldnt act. All I have said is that they should act responsibly. Instead...they allowed a scofflaw cattle rancher to bend them over the corral. Pathetic.

Ive run cattle. I know a thing or two about it.
 
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Keep the CON alive!!!! It MAY have been.... ahhh the loving embrace of 'may have been'!!!!

Just to be honest, since it was back in 1993 that grazing was prohibited on that land- it should have sat idle for over a decade- shouldn't it be put to some sort of use that GAINS the TAXPAYER something???? I mean as it was one man was ILLEGALLY profiting from that land that belong to all of us. Why is this such a difficult concept for the CON mind to wrap around???? :confused:

I see this the same way old abandoned building have squatters illegally camping in them, tearing them up, paying no rent or taxes. IF a company or business sees potential in these old buildings and wants to do something with them... do the ILLEGAL Squatters get to threaten armed violence??? Would the CON 'patriots' flock to the inner city ready to defend the squatters???

Be honest.... :peace
Look how cute and angry you are.

So tell us...what did it COST the taxpayers to let him graze his cattle there? Now...what did cost the taxpayers to send in the klowns, only to have them slink away?

Since...you know...you care about the taxpayers so much.
 
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Why should they??? The feds have never lost a 'revolution'.

Don't you mean "The People"?

The CON 'patriots' are the ones chanting about a 'second not so civil war'... :roll:
Are they?

Do the CON 'patriots' have a plan of attack... I mean if they are sooooo sure it is time... :doh

I have no idea. You seem to be the one familiar with the "CON" (whoever they are) strategy.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Don't you mean "The People"?

Are they?



I have no idea. You seem to be the one familiar with the "CON" (whoever they are) strategy.

These people are violating the constitution.

His personal grievance with federal authority doesn't stop with the BLM, though. "I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada," Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

The paramount-allegiance clause, a product of the era in which Nevada gained statehood, originated in Nevada's first (and unofficial) constitutional convention of 1863. Some 3,000 miles to the east, the Civil War raged between the federal government in the North and West and the rebellion that had swallowed the South. In early 1864, Abraham Lincoln—who wanted more pro-Union states in Congress so as to pass the amendment to abolish slavery, and a few more electoral votes to guarantee his reelection that fall—signed a bill authorizing Nevada to convene an official constitutional convention for statehood. The state constitution's framers, who were overwhelmingly Unionist, retained the clause in solidarity with the Union when they gathered in July 1864.

So mr bundy is violating Nevadas constitution.

The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand - Atlantic Mobile
 
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BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?


Look how cute and angry you are.

So tell us...what did it COST the taxpayers to let him graze his cattle there? Now...what did cost the taxpayers to send in the klowns, only to have them slink away?

Since...you know...you care about the taxpayers so much.
 
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I know what I'm gonna do! I'm gonna make some popcorn!

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Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?
I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?
 
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I feel like that; but I do see one issue. The credit was still being extended and he was ignoring demands to stop. Hence a cattle eviction was due. There is little doubt the FED over reacted with the level of security added to the round up. Fact is most people engaged in a round up are pretty adept at protecting themselves.


I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?
 
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Really, Bundy isn't doing anything the OWS protesters didn't do. He's got hundreds of smelly animals on public land.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

BLM reportedly planned on spending a million dollars to round up his cattle. They hired the ranch hands, a helo, and plenty of trucks for up to 900 even though surveys
suggested less than 600. Mr. Bundy's "range war" comments caused them to send in the police (military style) to insure the safety of those collecting the cattle.

I can tell you that I'm a tad angry. My neighbor and I spoke of it last night, and he claims to have spoken with a 3rd neighbor. We're thinking of going to the next
protest to demand Mr. Bundy pay up - you see we've been paying these fees for over 20 years so why shouldn't he? He's received the same level of service from
the BLM as we have - which by the way helps us to make sure cattle are stolen, insured we don't over graze open lands so that cattle don't starve and work with
us on diverting cattle for better water supplies and safe areas. So why again should we pay for that and he not?

Because Bundy is a special snowflake and the law doesn't apply to him, he is entitled to taxpayer subsidy for his cattle business.
 
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I AGREE...he SHOULD pay up. Its rather telling that the BEST the fed could come up with was without any type of thought or reason send in what amounted to an assault team to handle a ****ing DEBT COLLECTION. And they couldnt even do THAT right.

If the fed honestly believed that THAT was the way to handle that situation...they need their collective heads examined. And a new line of work.

Edit: Not excusing the debt...but how much again does the BLM (taxpayers) pay to manage those grazing lands? And how much did that little busted Bay of Pigs maneuver cost?

Are people really under the impression that they opened up with the swat team? You don't think they sent him letters a hundred times? They went to court, still didn't pay up. An injunction was issued in 1998 by a court. Another in 2013. Still refused. Ten they sent him another letter informing him they planned to seize the cattle.

How much ****ing leeway should the government give him before they finally just say **** it and kick the door in?
 
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Are people really under the impression that they opened up with the swat team? You don't think they sent him letters a hundred times? They went to court, still didn't pay up. An injunction was issued in 1998 by a court. Another in 2013. Still refused. Ten they sent him another letter informing him they planned to seize the cattle.

How much ****ing leeway should the government give him before they finally just say **** it and kick the door in?
And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

Yay...you.

People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.
 
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And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

Yay...you.

People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.

If they didn't "kick the door in" then they must be legally wrong and/or getting their collective (dual meaning term) asses kicked by the media.
 
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If they didn't "kick the door in" then they must be legally wrong and/or getting their collective (dual meaning term) asses kicked by the media.
Circular reasoning when it agrees with your predisposition, eh buddy?
 
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And then drove away like a bunch of little bitches. So...they came up with a stupid game plan and then got drove.

Yay...you.

People like Putin have to just be laughing their asses off.

What do you think Putin would have done?
 
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This is so ridiculous. He quit paying grazing fees in 1993. Its federal land. In order to graze your cattle on federal land you pay a fee to offset the costs of managing that land. Basically its rent. He has been illegally grazing his cattle on 100,000 acres of public land for 20 years now. In that time he has racked up about a million dollars in unpaid grazing fees and cost the taxpayers God knows what with all his lawsuits against the government. He has lost every court case and last year a court ordered his cattle be seized to pay for all the grazing fees he owes. He then had a bunch of anarchist armed militia types come in and prevent the court order from being exercised and thus legally committed criminal contempt of court. The Feds not wanting bloodshed stepped down and now he is back to being a freeloader again...... And this is supposed to be some kind of patriotic hero???
 
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Must b really weird being a conservative nowadays, huh?
This is so ridiculous. He quit paying grazing fees in 1993. Its federal land. In order to graze your cattle on federal land you pay a fee to offset the costs of managing that land. Basically its rent. He has been illegally grazing his cattle on 100,000 acres of public land for 20 years now. In that time he has racked up about a million dollars in unpaid grazing fees and cost the taxpayers God knows what with all his lawsuits against the government. He has lost every court case and last year a court ordered his cattle be seized to pay for all the grazing fees he owes. He then had a bunch of anarchist armed militia types come in and prevent the court order from being exercised and thus legally committed criminal contempt of court. The Feds not wanting bloodshed stepped down and now he is back to being a freeloader again...... And this is supposed to be some kind of patriotic hero???
 
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What do you think Putin would have done?
Theres no doubt what Putin would have done...he would have eliminated the rancher. WHat he WOULDNT have done is send in a small army of armed government officials only to have them get bitch slapped and sent running.

I doubt you can see it but the point is that they look once again like impotent klowns. THATS the best solution they could come up with? Another idiotic 'line in the sand'? They couldnt have sat down with the Nevada officials, called him on his bluff to pay the state of Nevada not the fed? Everything they did makes the administration once again look like grade a fools. This administration cant successfully negotiate a solution to 1 cattle rancher in Nevada...is it any wonder people like Putin think Obama is a joke and they can pretty much do whatever they want without restraint? Being weak and portraying yourself as weak...well...shocking that others SEE you as weak. Obama is the political equivalent of Sid Gurney.
 
Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

This is so ridiculous. He quit paying grazing fees in 1993. Its federal land. In order to graze your cattle on federal land you pay a fee to offset the costs of managing that land. Basically its rent. He has been illegally grazing his cattle on 100,000 acres of public land for 20 years now. In that time he has racked up about a million dollars in unpaid grazing fees and cost the taxpayers God knows what with all his lawsuits against the government. He has lost every court case and last year a court ordered his cattle be seized to pay for all the grazing fees he owes. He then had a bunch of anarchist armed militia types come in and prevent the court order from being exercised and thus legally committed criminal contempt of court. The Feds not wanting bloodshed stepped down and now he is back to being a freeloader again...... And this is supposed to be some kind of patriotic hero???
The administration just spent well over a million dollars in a show of big tough badass force only to get punked by the guy. THATS why people see him as a hero (which he is not).

Your take is the same kind of foolish take administration supporters have on the Obama/Putin exchanges. Its not that people like Putin...its that Obama has made Putin look like a statesman and a leader. Most conservative posters on this site dont think the rancher is a hero...they think the administration looks moronic for 1-making this an issue after 20+ years, and 2-Looks like a bunch of thugs sending i armed individuals with threats to 'fill coffins' and 3-THEN look like chimps and chumps when the farmer was equally unimpressed with yet another "line in the sand".
 
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Must b really weird being a conservative nowadays, huh?
No...we generally see things pretty much clearly, not the way YOU like to see them for us. But speaking of uncomfortable...how about the liberals that were all up in arms about Bush's actions and are now active defenders of the core and cause?
 
I like how Nevada has been accepting fees for use of land it doesn't own.
 
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What do you think Putin would have done?

It's getting desperate if you need compare the US President to Vladimir Putin in order to put him in a good light. It wasn't always this way.
 
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The administration just spent well over a million dollars in a show of big tough badass force only to get punked by the guy. THATS why people see him as a hero (which he is not).

Your take is the same kind of foolish take administration supporters have on the Obama/Putin exchanges. Its not that people like Putin...its that Obama has made Putin look like a statesman and a leader. Most conservative posters on this site dont think the rancher is a hero...they think the administration looks moronic for 1-making this an issue after 20+ years, and 2-Looks like a bunch of thugs sending i armed individuals with threats to 'fill coffins' and 3-THEN look like chimps and chumps when the farmer was equally unimpressed with yet another "line in the sand".

Well stated, that sums of my view of the situation pretty well.
 
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