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Under fire, Brandeis cancels plan to honor anti-Islam feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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NP defending the rights of a Muslim. Now that is not something you see every day. Too bad it is a private school so they have no obligation to do anything. Not my place to tell a private school who to let speak. If I ran it, I would let pretty much any one speak, but I don't own a college.
 
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Navy Pride said:
This truly unbelievable and outrageous at the lengths the left will go through to prevent free speech. Where is NOW? where are all the Hollywood liberals..........The silence is deafening... God bless this brave woman.


Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali | Fox News
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Please point out where the article said that anyone liberal did anything. And don't try the old "but it's a university, CC. You KNOW they are liberal there" crap. Unless you can find where they specifically said liberals did this, you just threw out some dumb partisan hackery, making your post fairly worthless.

Oh, and btw... you might want to read up on the First Amendment. There was no violation of that amendment here.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Please point out where the article said that anyone liberal did anything. And don't try the old "but it's a university, CC. You KNOW they are liberal there" crap. Unless you can find where they specifically said liberals did this, you just threw out some dumb partisan hackery, making your post fairly worthless.

Oh, and btw... you might want to read up on the First Amendment. There was no violation of that amendment here.
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Apparently it is affiliated with the Jewish community, not liberals. We all know liberals hate Jews so kinda sucks for NP there. I do wonder if he knows the woman he is defending is Muslim. I bet not.
 
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Redress said:
Apparently it is affiliated with the Jewish community, not liberals. We all know liberals hate Jews so kinda sucks for NP there. I do wonder if he knows the woman he is defending is Muslim. I bet not.
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I've always wondered... if most Jews are liberals, but most liberals hate Jews, how do conservatives explain this apparent paradox?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I've always wondered... if most Jews are liberals, but most liberals hate Jews, how do conservatives explain this apparent paradox?
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I think when you all are not busy taking over the world, you hate yourselves.
 
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Redress said:
Apparently it is affiliated with the Jewish community, not liberals. We all know liberals hate Jews so kinda sucks for NP there. I do wonder if he knows the woman he is defending is Muslim. I bet not.
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You must have not read the following sentence in the article:

Ali was raised in a strict Muslim family, but after surviving a civil war, genital mutilation, beatings and an arranged marriage, she renounced the faith in her 30s.
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Or do you believe once a Muslim always a Muslim?
 
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Shadow Serious said:
You must have not read the following sentence in the article:



Or do you believe once a Muslim always a Muslim?
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I am making fun of NP's beliefs actually.
 
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Redress said:
I think when you all are not busy taking over the world, you hate yourselves.
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Jewish guilt. The most powerful thing in the known universe.
 
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Redress said:
Apparently it is affiliated with the Jewish community, not liberals. We all know liberals hate Jews so kinda sucks for NP there. I do wonder if he knows the woman he is defending is Muslim. I bet not.
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Have you read the Wikipedia article, it clearly states the school is liberal:

Brandeis University /ˈbrændaɪs/ is an American private research university with a liberal arts focus
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I'm afraid NP is right on this one, it's liberals suppressing speech.
 
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Redress said:
NP defending the rights of a Muslim. Now that is not something you see every day. Too bad it is a private school so they have no obligation to do anything. Not my place to tell a private school who to let speak. If I ran it, I would let pretty much any one speak, but I don't own a college.
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My God The woman has had her genitalia mutilated. She has renounced Islam
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Please point out where the article said that anyone liberal did anything. And don't try the old "but it's a university, CC. You KNOW they are liberal there" crap. Unless you can find where they specifically said liberals did this, you just threw out some dumb partisan hackery, making your post fairly worthless.

Oh, and btw... you might want to read up on the First Amendment. There was no violation of that amendment here.
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Surely you jest CC.
 
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Shadow Serious said:
You must have not read the following sentence in the article:



Or do you believe once a Muslim always a Muslim?
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She very convieniently overlooked that sentence.. She has been known to do that.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Surely you jest CC.
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Surely, you can't prove what you said in the OP.
 
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spud_meister said:
Have you read the Wikipedia article, it clearly states the school is liberal:



I'm afraid NP is right on this one, it's liberals suppressing speech.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Good one.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Please point out where the article said that anyone liberal did anything. And don't try the old "but it's a university, CC.
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No, it's not the university that is the tell-tale sign, it's the suppression of speech and the appeasement of Muslim hurt feelings that are the liberal hallmarks. That's like a Bat Signal up in the sky. No mistake about it. Conservatives would have told the Muslim Students to get stuffed and read up on American values.
 
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RiverDad said:
No, it's not the university that is the tell-tale sign, it's the suppression of speech and the appeasement of Muslim hurt feelings that are the liberal hallmarks. That's like a Bat Signal up in the sky. No mistake about it. Conservatives would have told the Muslim Students to get stuffed and read up on American values.
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Ah, another one who makes assumptions that are completely devoid of facts. Show where the article said it was liberals who made this decision. Btw... we know that conservatives are the ones who are racists and are for the suppression of speech, so my guess is that it was conservatives who did this to that poor atheist. We know that conservatives ALWAYS want to silence those who aren't Christians, showing their hatred of those kinds of people.

See how stupid partisan hackery like your sounds? I'd suggest that you try to make more logical arguments, but we both know you're just going to keep posting the same anti-liberal misinformation you always do.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Ah, another one who makes assumptions that are completely devoid of facts. Show where the article said it was liberals who made this decision.
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Another one who has never heard the concept of "lie of omission" nor the concept of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." There is enough data in the article which can be combined with general knowledge regarding liberal love of speech oppression and kowtowing to identity group grievances to support the argument that liberals caved to Muslim grievance mongers. You being a pedant is something that we have to tolerate, same with your delusions that you're actually making a valid point.
 
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RiverDad said:
Another one who has never heard the concept of "lie of omission" nor the concept of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." There is enough data in the article which can be combined with general knowledge regarding liberal love of speech oppression and kowtowing to identity group grievances to support the argument that liberals caved to Muslim grievance mongers. You being a pedant is something that we have to tolerate, same with your delusions that you're actually making a valid point.
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No speech is being supressed. She can say whatever she wants, just as people opposed to what she says can express their displeasure. The school, which is private, is also perfectly within their rights to not allow some one to speak at their school, and to respond how they choose to the pressure applied by those unhappy with what she says. You do not get to pick what speech is acceptable and which isn't. Every party in this has the same rights. Even you do and can express your unhappiness with the school's decision, though the school may say that you need to leave their property if you take your bitch there. That is their right.

And some one who makes so many threads crying about women should probably not cry about identity politics. Hypocricy is pretty obvious sometimes.
 
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Navy Pride said:
This truly unbelievable and outrageous at the lengths the left will go through to prevent free speech. Where is NOW? where are all the Hollywood liberals..........The silence is deafening... God bless this brave woman.


Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali | Fox News
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I agree that Ali is a notable person and doing her the courtesy would have seemed a proper thing to do. But the University is private and free to do what they like. So outrage at the decision is not really legit. Just don't send your kids there.
 
L0neW0lf said:
That actually confirms what I said, I am not sure why you link it.
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No, it does not. Read all of the link.
A meaningless distinction.
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Again, you are wrong. Where there is a majority of Muslims in any country the women suffer to varying degrees. In the USA they don't have the numbers to enforce their religious laws so they must follow locals laws instead. Given the numbers Muslims would follow the same laws and customs against women that they use elsewhere.
 
LoneWolf said:
Islam's main source is basically a plagiarized short version of the bible. Anything that you can come up with that is horrible from Islamic teaching can probably be matched to something from the bible, I don't see why you do not therefor allow for Muslims to be hypocrites about their religions like you allow Christians and Jews to be.
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Completely Illogical in the service of the misleading.
It's true that the Koran Plagiarized alot of the Bible.
It is irrelevant, however, to a myriad of OTHER violent instructions and invocations against, ie, Jews.
The Islamic/Mohammedan narrative, Unlike the Bible, includes his early struggles with the Jews: a still extant religion/people.
And there is so Much More as well which is NOT in any way like, ie, the NT.
Muslims today still cite these passages.

LOneWolf said:
American Muslims are less likely to be violent or support violence against civilians than the average American Christian or Jewish person, If they want to believe that their religion is one of peace they should be entitled to, they are hardly the only hypocrites when it comes to their religion, its no different than alll the people who claim that the Westboro Baptist Church is not a true representative of Christianity.
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Grant said:
That's quite true, but there isn't a Muslim majority in the US.
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Actually it's Completely False as well as Misleading/strawman.

Note that L0newolf has dramatically and selectively narrowed the discussion of Islam/Muslims in General to "American Muslims".
Of course, that TINY Percent of the population/ummah is Bound by Our laws.. Here.. and is NOT a statement as to the general character of Islam that Hirsi-Ali/We WERE talking about.

Nonetheless, app ±200 Muslims have been arrested Here and 50+ Terror plots foiled (2001-2012)
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...omegrown-threat-and-the-long-war-on-terrorism

and that's just his strawman little group.
The fact is, and as I stated previously in this very string:
mbig to soot #12 said:
Then again, Your "NY/NJ" area experience with Islam (and Less than .1% of it's adherents) might not be as representative as hers!
Doncha think?
It's certainly Tiny compared to the population of Muslims in just the countries you mention/Concede above.

Your post is what we call the 'anecdote fallacy', be it witting or unwitting.

Because Muslims worldwide, Favor (with mostly Large majorities down to Significant minorities), things like Sharia law, specifically including it's most Barbaric punishments. (Pew et al)
Ayaan has also lived in Europe, being a former Dutch parliament member.
Her opinions Not limited to just Islam's treatment of women, but it's overall character.
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mbig #22 to sooot said:
So you admit your experience in the "NY/NJ" area, now USA overall, even West overall, is NOT representative. Yet now, and definitely aware you are Misleading, ask the strawman 'how many' in the America/West' anyway.
Again, How many Muslims of the 1.5 Billion live in the US/EU?
1%-2% Restricted by our laws.
Ooops.

And again, Sharia, is just another example of Islam's general intolerance. Islam is not just about Women, Not just about Sharia.

What IS happening (in further demo of the "nihilistic death cult" beyond killing apostates, adulterers, gays, etc), Is the Persecution, Cleansing, and Killing of Non-Muslims and Muslims of other sects WORLDWIDE.
Not just by 'terror' groups, but my Mainstream Muslims and their Governments from Mauritania to Mindinao.
Many people are persecuted, cleansed, or die Every day in the Name of Islam.

BTW, Singapore is Not a Muslim country.
But - and thx for mentioning it - it's former leader, Lee Kuan Yew, had plenty to say on Muslim Intolerance and lack of willingness to integrate there.
(links available)

Bush was an apologist for Islam, as are many in government necessarily.
They can't tell the truth, that these 'Extremist' muslims are in fact not perverting the religion at all.
ie, for many years, bin Laden was the most popular man in the Muslim world.
Unlike in Christianity or Judaism, Literalism is Mainstream in Islam.

Practising Muslim reformer Irshad Manji:

".....The trouble with Islam today is that Literalism is Mainstream.
Even Moderate Muslims take the Koran as the final word of God: unfiltered, unchanged and Unchangeable.
This Supremacy complex inhibits us from asking hard questions about what happens when faith becomes dogma.
Such a path can lead only to a dead end of more Violence...."
The Australian: Irshad Manji: Denial is scourge of Islam [Aug 23, 2005]

And like Hirsi Ali, Manji lives behind bullet-proof glass... even in Canada.
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sangha said:
I see we have another example of right wingers demonstrating their failure to understand the First Amendment, and how it doesn't limit private entities.
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My goodness,how these definitions have changed. When I was a kid, those who supported preventing a woman of color from speaking out against misogyny were the right wingers.

 
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