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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Dittohead not! said:
Of course. Why didn't I think of that? I'm sure that his militia would have quietly stood by while that happened, sure.
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From what I've seen of the time line, the feds were there at least 10 days before any militia.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You quietly arrest the man, you don't come in with a small army.
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In an area which they had some pipe bomb attacks about a decade ago, they find signs that are chainsawed in half or shot up, and won't allow staff to go out unless they are with someone else. Oh and a guy who threatened he'll take action against anyone who tries to round-up his cattle, when they had a plan in 2012 the got canceled after numerous threats, the guy sends a letter to the sheriff notifying of a range war and his virtual army, oh and that guy had advanced notice the BLM was coming. In that case they should just bring a couple people?

I thought the number of people they brought was too much at first, a show of force but too much. Knowing more of the history makes it seem a hell of a lot more sensible.
 
coyotedelmar said:
In an area which they had some pipe bomb attacks about a decade ago, they find signs that are chainsawed in half or shot up, and won't allow staff to go out unless they are with someone else. Oh and a guy who threatened he'll take action against anyone who tries to round-up his cattle, when they had a plan in 2012 the got canceled after numerous threats, the guy sends a letter to the sheriff notifying of a range war and his virtual army, oh and that guy had advanced notice the BLM was coming. In that case they should just bring a couple people?

I thought the number of people they brought was too much at first, a show of force but too much. Knowing more of the history makes it seem a hell of a lot more sensible.
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Exactly, and a repeat of history is probably what they were trying to avoid. A lot of people kept saying the BLM had an army but all I saw was about twenty rangers and a swat team. Some army. Bundy claimed the BLM back down as his victory. I wonder if he's changed his tune since FoxNews and the public and even right wing politicians have turned their back on him?
 
Moot said:
Exactly, and a repeat of history is probably what they were trying to avoid. A lot of people kept saying the BLM had an army but all I saw was about twenty rangers and a swat team. Some army. Bundy claimed the BLM back down as his victory. I wonder if he's changed his tune since FoxNews and the public and even right wing politicians have turned their back on him?
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I doubt it. He is probably going to the local Women's club searching for reinforcements.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Should they have permitted his criminal act to continue for another twenty years?
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IMO, absolutely not. If we do not pay or rent, lease or mortgage, it takes little time, usually no more than a year in mortgage situations to evict. They (federal government) should have done something about it way, way before it festered into a boil. Who knows why they waited so long to do anything about it.

Now, some militia groups are setting up checkpoints and stopping people and asking them questions, and there have been death threats recently aimed at Harry Reid. These militia groups are about out of control, and the local sheriff around there isn't doing anything about it, if he can't do his job, he needs to be removed.
 
Moot said:
Exactly, and a repeat of history is probably what they were trying to avoid. A lot of people kept saying the BLM had an army but all I saw was about twenty rangers and a swat team. Some army. Bundy claimed the BLM back down as his victory. I wonder if he's changed his tune since FoxNews and the public and even right wing politicians have turned their back on him?
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I doubt it, he is one ignorant, stubborn bastard deadbeat. Prison time might change the way he perceives things.
 
j-mac said:
From what I've seen of the time line, the feds were there at least 10 days before any militia.
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Not. The militia was there way before the feds arrived.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Of course. Why didn't I think of that? I'm sure that his militia would have quietly stood by while that happened, sure.
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Militia wasn't there until the feds showed up in mass. Just like with Randy weaver they could have quickly and quietly arrested him any day at the local feed store parking lot.
 
Moot said:
Exactly, and a repeat of history is probably what they were trying to avoid. A lot of people kept saying the BLM had an army but all I saw was about twenty rangers and a swat team. Some army. Bundy claimed the BLM back down as his victory. I wonder if he's changed his tune since FoxNews and the public and even right wing politicians have turned their back on him?
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Feds were repeating history. It was Ruby ridge all over again.
 
j-mac said:
Show me.
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I gave you the link, and you're read the story timeline, and said it was a lie. I think that people who don't believe the timeline would need a ton of ricks to fall upon their heads to be convinced.

April 10, 2014, A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads, "MILITA SIGHN IN."
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April 12, 2014, BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."
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j-mac said:
It wasn't that the feds came in, more in the manner they did.
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As I read the timeline, there had been violence in the past. Someone had been sending pipe bombs to the BLM. There was good cause to be well protected. Quiet didn't seem like a real option.
 
AJiveMan said:
I gave you the link, and you're read the story timeline, and said it was a lie. I think that people who don't believe the timeline would need a ton of ricks to fall upon their heads to be convinced.
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Yep, but that was after the BLM showed up.
 
Boo Radley said:
As I read the timeline, there had been violence in the past. Someone had been sending pipe bombs to the BLM. There was good cause to be well protected. Quiet didn't seem like a real option.
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You have proof that it was Bundy, or his supporters?
 
j-mac said:
You have proof that it was Bundy, or his supporters?
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Now, why on Earth would anyone suspect a guy who has been running cattle illegally on public land for two decades, and who says he doesn't think the federal government actually exists? He doesn't sound like the sort of person who might engage in any sort of violence, now does he? Why is it, then, that the BLM didn't simply come to his house, knock on the door, and politely ask to come in and chat? After all, there was no proof that he or his supporters had a thing to do with the violence.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, but that was after the BLM showed up.
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The armed BLM law enforcement officers showed up after the armed militia groups appeared, before that, there were thirty protesters at the cattle auction expecting to see Bundy's cattle at auction, which didn't happen.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Now, why on Earth would anyone suspect a guy who has been running cattle illegally on public land for two decades, and who says he doesn't think the federal government actually exists? He doesn't sound like the sort of person who might engage in any sort of violence, now does he? Why is it, then, that the BLM didn't simply come to his house, knock on the door, and politely ask to come in and chat? After all, there was no proof that he or his supporters had a thing to do with the violence.
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Other than being armed.
 
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