Go look how much of Nevada the federal government controls, then get back to me.
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No he could have obtained a permit but the the amount of head that he could have grazed would have been reduced. For the record there are 3 other ranchers in southern Nevada that still are buying grazing permits. Telling is that the Bundy"s lie and say that they are the last ranch in southern Nevada. But such dishonesty is of no surprise considering Clivens claim that the US Government does not exist. The Bundy"s are like their occupier cousins they put out a lot bull****.
Where I've been, and where I go, I pick up after myself and others. I make attempts of being a good steward, and I pay fees when I must pay fees. Anything less would be unethical.
And I don't disagree in principle. But when the BLM is not renewing grazing rights for Ranchers in these areas. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's not like the area where Bundy did grazing was harmed, it well kept by him and others. I'd understand your position more if the area was down right a dust bowl.
you may be right, as i have been wrong many times before
but my understanding is bundy's grazing rights were sought for BLM acquisition after the concern in '93 about the tortoise species being at risk in that grazing area
if that is true, then i cannot understand why an extension of his grazing privileges would have been granted while the BLM was simultaneously purchasing existing rights of area ranchers
Hmmm, interesting. So protestors armed with signs and obscene speech should be surrounded by armed police and assaulted but that's OK while...
You know what will really be 'fun' in the most horrific way imaginable -- the next time a similar situation occurs and the "patriots" show up, and in their number is a psychopathic person who is absolutely sure the government is out to get him so therefore he has to shoot first. The response will not be good.
We both don't know that. I wouldn't speculate.
Perhaps the military would be better equipped to handle fights like this one, but can you imagine the outcry had they sent them in?
And, perhaps they could just ask pretty please with sugar on it, remove your cattle or pay the grazing fees.
Local police should suffice, it should be a local issue related to one family.
Perhaps they - or you - could explain how the grazing fees and other regulations are appropriate considering they've driven out every other rancher in the area. I see leftists bolstering their anti-Bundy'ism by saying he's a 1%'er - all I see is the perfect example of regulations driving out all the little guys and leaving a small but powerful cartel - or a monopoly as this case appears to be. Just as Mises predicted. Maybe the grazing fees are just as awful as Bundy says.
Local police should suffice, it should be a local issue related to one family.
Perhaps they - or you - could explain how the grazing fees and other regulations are appropriate considering they've driven out every other rancher in the area. I see leftists bolstering their anti-Bundy'ism by saying he's a 1%'er - all I see is the perfect example of regulations driving out all the little guys and leaving a small but powerful cartel - or a monopoly as this case appears to be. Just as Mises predicted. Maybe the grazing fees are just as awful as Bundy says.
If they are asked to go up against a bunch of radicals armed with rifles, then yes.
The Nevada Cattlemen's Association are not on board with Bundy's outside of the law anti-American bull****. They believe that a rational negotiations can be made with the government.
The grazing fees have driven out every other rancher? Really? That's the first I've heard of that, and I think I've read most of the posts in this thread. Perhaps you could provide a link.
He called himself the "last man standing" when the latest brouhaha started. He claims there were dozens of ranchers in that area just a couple decades ago. It's an important point so, if it were wrong, I'm sure his detractors would have debunked it by now. If you find out otherwise, I'd be interested to hear about it.
That's nonsense. We're there people there with weapons? Yes. Were their goals peaceful resolution? Yes.
Harry Reid doesn't seem to be so.
Peaceful resolution and continued freeloading?
Peaceful resolution and continued freeloading?
how peaceful was that sniper taking position to aim at the federal employee doing his job on behalf of the American public?
expect the next step to be the attachment of bundy's ranch - rather than his cows - as the asset sold to collect the judgment ... with well armed federal marshals executing such attachment against the ranch
let's then see who cowboys up
There comes a point where people won't stand for over bearing government anymore...you know, like the founding of this country?
That should have been the first step, not after armed thugs surrounded him and tried to steal his cattle.
That should have been the first step, not after armed thugs surrounded him and tried to steal his cattle.
There comes a point where people won't stand for over bearing government anymore...you know, like the founding of this country?
There comes a point where people won't stand for over bearing government anymore...you know, like the founding of this country?
I see. So, it was a statement that Bundy made. But, wasn't there a reference to a "cattlemen's association"? Was that an association of one?