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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

NIMBY said:
Find out how much water is being wasted by the several golf courses in the county Mesquite resides in. Then think about watering those fairways during just three months of summer, when the high temperatures average over 100 degrees. Take your own righteous act to the book of laws. We're all tired of the fake and lame "hiding behind the Constitution" skirt of rightie/teas .
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You could say the same thing in any number of cities including your Meca Lost Wages, so its perhaps you who needs to come off the horse of the high moral righteousness.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You could say the same thing in any number of cities including your Meca Lost Wages, so its perhaps you who needs to come off the horse of the high moral righteousness.
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Well Nimby sorta had a point about water. We should be surprised that golf course owners and ranchers aren't fighting about it.

Water is a precious resource in a desert climate.
 
Wasted water on golf courses in desert Nevada versus recycled water in Las Vegas for people.
I live in Illinois and still know more about what goes on out west than you do.
Too bad that golf water isn't being used to irrigate NV sagebrush grazing land as Mormons do in Utah .

PirateMk1 said:
You could say the same thing in any number of cities including your Meca Lost Wages, so its perhaps you who needs to come off the horse of the high moral righteousness.
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jonny5 said:
Against the law. As in, congress shall make no law doing X, and then they go right ahead do it. ILLEGALY
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Don't you have spell check on your computer - where a little red line appears under a misspelled word?

and just where does it say Congress shall make no law in regards to land rights?
 
NIMBY said:
It goes much deeper than the cattle.
BUNDY stopped paying Federal fees for the LEGAL grazing of his cattle.
That is about being a tax scofflaw.
And then BUNDY hides behind the Constitution, as with the 16th amendmenters.

The GOP House is now dabbling in this sort of thing.
It is like them to give away the goodies of the USA for their buddies .
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Even deeper, his family has been ranching that land since well before the feds declared it federal land. I think there's something to be said for grandfathered rights here.

p.s. The BLM manages public land. It's not theirs to give away...its ours.
 
While I am glad that people stood up to the government, and that the government backed off, if anybody thinks the government has seen the errors of its ways and surrendered, that person is a fool. No, they saw a no-win scenario, and just backed off for another time and/or another tactic. To paraphrase Arnold, they will be back.
 
mac said:
Even deeper, his family has been ranching that land since well before the feds declared it federal land. I think there's something to be said for grandfathered rights here.

p.s. The BLM manages public land. It's not theirs to give away...its ours.
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The feds didn't "declare" it federal land. The feds bought the land from Mexico.
 
sangha said:
The feds didn't "declare" it federal land. The feds bought the land from Mexico.
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Which should have reverted to NV after becoming a state. And "bought it" is quite the twist. Regardless, it is public land, now.
 
mac said:
Which should have reverted to NV after becoming a state.
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So now the right's idea of property rights means the rightful owner of land must surrender their property to the state :lamo

And "bought it" is quite the twist.
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You have a problem with the concept of buying land?

Regardless, it is public land, now.
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Owned by the federal govt
 
AJiveMan said:
Well Nimby sorta had a point about water. We should be surprised that golf course owners and ranchers aren't fighting about it.

Water is a precious resource in a desert climate.
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I wouldn't have commented if it had been a general comment on the water situation in general in the south and the golf courses that use it. Almost every city in the southwest has more than a few golf courses for the snowbirds. The reason I made a post was the derogatory tone taken by the comment toward the specific town of Mesquite which does not boast near as many golf courses as some other more extravagant cities.
 
This is kind of funny really. If there was a republicon butt sitting in the oval office this asshole Bundy would be declared a "freeloader" and he would be arrested for not paying the federal government fees of over a million dollars.
But because the President is Barack Obama, when the BLM tries to collect fees paid by this freeloader deadbeat, it becomes the Democratic imperialist government stomping on poor little Bundy's liberties.
All these conservative pundits ranting about the free use of government land sounds to me more like SOCIALISTS not conservatives.
Bundy claims that he does not recognize the existence of the United States government... Now THAT sounds an awful lot like the words of an ANARCHIST to me.
Who wants to be on the side of a socialist, anarchist, interloping, freeloading, deadbeat?
I say arrest Bundy, seize his cattle and auction them off to pay his bill to the BLM.
Why should he be allowed to get rich grazing his cattle on government land when many other law abiding ranchers respectfully pay their fees to do the same?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
This is kind of funny really. If there was a republicon butt sitting in the oval office this asshole Bundy would be declared a "freeloader" and he would be arrested for not paying the federal government fees of over a million dollars.
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If you really want to get pissed, check how many golf courses are in the county Mesquite is in.
Renowned for their quality, even when the high temps average over 100 for several months .
 
Buck Ewer said:
All these conservative pundits ranting about the free use of government land sounds to me more like SOCIALISTS not conservatives.
Bundy claims that he does not recognize the existence of the United States government... Now THAT sounds an awful lot like the words of an ANARCHIST to me.
Who wants to be on the side of a socialist, anarchist, interloping, freeloading, deadbeat?
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The Utahns have a different take on the "squatters" on BLM land than these Nevada "squatters" who hide behind the skirt of the 2nd amendment.
When I was at the head of the Green River in Wyoming,
BLM land next to a National Forest Campground had been trashed by squatters, creating a bear problem .
 
So, the guy paid the fees, until Clinton came into office, then he thought he'd be some plastic patriot and not pay. He lost 3 times in court, only deal is that the BLM didn't have the resolve to end this.

He is a freeloader, there are 16,000 ranchers that pay their fare share, this clown thinks he doesn't have to?

Amazing to see the tea party rabble support this welfare queen.

He owes the citizens of the USA over a million dollars, pay up, deadbeat!
 
NIMBY said:
Wasted water on golf courses in desert Nevada versus recycled water in Las Vegas for people.
I live in Illinois and still know more about what goes on out west than you do.
Too bad that golf water isn't being used to irrigate NV sagebrush grazing land as Mormons do in Utah .
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Same way in the Phoenix Metro area. Golf courses get the good water, we get the crap for drinking and bathing. I am all for commerce and tourism, but, when it is 110 degrees every day for 20 days in a row...that water should be used for important things.
 
beefheart said:
So, the guy paid the fees, until Clinton came into office, then he thought he'd be some plastic patriot and not pay. He lost 3 times in court, only deal is that the BLM didn't have the resolve to end this.

He is a freeloader, there are 16,000 ranchers that pay their fare share, this clown thinks he doesn't have to?

Amazing to see the tea party rabble support this welfare queen.

He owes the citizens of the USA over a million dollars, pay up, deadbeat!
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Bundy hasn't refused to pay the fees. He refused to pay the Feds; he's stated that he's willing to pay Clark County. Why not just let him pay Clark County, the the county can give the money to the Feds? The Feds could have put a lein on his property, as well. But, instead they wanted to show everybody how big the Fed's dick is.

While you're frettin' over a million bucks, remind us how you went bonkers over Solyndra swindling us out of 500 MILLION dollars, or the State Department losing 6 BILLION dollars.

I think the Libbos all have a hard on watching the government use armes force to keep the unwashed masses in line.
 
apdst said:
Bundy hasn't refused to pay the fees. He refused to pay the Feds; he's stated that he's willing to pay Clark County. Why not just let him pay Clark County, the the county can give the money to the Feds? The Feds could have put a lein on his property, as well. But, instead they wanted to show everybody how big the Fed's dick is.

While you're frettin' over a million bucks, remind us how you went bonkers over Solyndra swindling us out of 500 MILLION dollars, or the State Department losing 6 BILLION dollars.

I think the Libbos all have a hard on watching the government use armes force to keep the unwashed masses in line.
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Quit apologizing for a welfare queen, just because you have an itchy trigger finger and you want to somehow blame Obama. (Focus...bringing in Solyndra just makes your argument skills all the more weak, one Obama derangement point at a time..)

It is not his land, it is the feds, but he is being a petulant brat and not living up to his responsibilities. What a wuss.
 
beefheart said:
Quit apologizing for a welfare queen, just because you have an itchy trigger finger and you want to somehow blame Obama. (Focus...bringing in Solyndra just makes your argument skills all the more weak, one Obama derangement point at a time..)

It is not his land, it is the feds, but he is being a petulant brat and not living up to his responsibilities. What a wuss.
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Well, it IS his land, actually.

Did you read my post at all? Or, are you so blinded with hatred towards anyone who doesn't kiss Obama's feet that you throw a temper tantrum?
 
Accusing this poster of hatred should be reportable.
I'll leave that to him.
I would welcome any poster on dp to view the exchange you are having with him and decide one way or another.
It will be difficult though, with everyone knowing your take on Obama before you ever post, no matter.
apdst said:
Well, it IS his land, actually.
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Actually, it is not his land.
And when one hides behind the skirt of the Constitution, they are adhering to the Federal gov't.

Or, are you so blinded with hatred towards anyone who doesn't kiss Obama's feet that you throw a temper tantrum?
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Yours is the only temper tantrum I see here.
His post was calm and respectful .
 
apdst said:
Well, it IS his land, actually.

Did you read my post at all? Or, are you so blinded with hatred towards anyone who doesn't kiss Obama's feet that you throw a temper tantrum?
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How can you say that it is his land? That's absolutely ridiculous.
How the f**k is a responsible rancher "kissing Obama's feet" when they pay the fees set down by the Bureau of Land Management that has been around since 1946?
Were they kissing Reagan's feet when they paid the fees in the 1980s?
Your childish partisan tantrum has no merit as you defend a wealthy deadbeat welfare queen like Bundy.
 
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There are SEVEN golf courses in the small town of Mesquite.
As I said earlier, you don't know what you're talking about with this area .
PirateMk1 said:
I wouldn't have commented if it had been a general comment on the water situation in general in the south and the golf courses that use it. Almost every city in the southwest has more than a few golf courses for the snowbirds. The reason I made a post was the derogatory tone taken by the comment toward the specific town of Mesquite which does not boast near as many golf courses as some other more extravagant cities.
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I just reminded him that there are SEVEN full-length championship golf courses in tiny Mesquite.
And you can bet the Mormons own the water rights to each of them.
Just as the Idaho Mormon potato farmers own the water rights to Jackson Lake on the East side of the Tetons in Wyoming.
It has always been about water in the West, and the Mormons own it .
AJiveMan said:
Well Nimby sorta had a point about water. We should be surprised that golf course owners and ranchers aren't fighting about it.

Water is a precious resource in a desert climate.
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apdst said:
Bundy hasn't refused to pay the fees. He refused to pay the Feds; he's stated that he's willing to pay Clark County.
Why not just let him pay Clark County, the the county can give the money to the Feds?
The Feds could have put a lein on his property, as well.
But, instead they wanted to show everybody how big the Fed's dick is.
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My what bad language and manners you have this evening apdst.
Good thing you weren't in NV OP.
You are point-blank giving this man carte blanche to break the law.
Remember what GWB said about what was good for the goose?

While you're frettin' over a million bucks, remind us how you went bonkers over Solyndra swindling us out of 500 MILLION dollars, or the State Department losing 6 BILLION dollars.
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off-topic attack on DEM posters as a whoole.
I think the Libbos all have a hard on watching the government use armes force to keep the unwashed masses in line.
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Off topic attack on DEM posters as a whole.

Since you mention arms, how do you like the TEAts in this case hiding behind the skirt of the 2nd amendment of the federal gov't?
What a bunch of babies huh ?
 
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