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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

CycloneWanderer said:
Do cows eat tortoises or am I missing something? Think of this like foodstamps for destitute cattle.
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PirateMk1 said:
The state is taking issue with the feds owning the land which I believe in that particular case was taken by the feds from the state. The fight with the rancher seems just to be the vehicle the state is using.
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Not to derail..
Some States have taken issue with the Feds owning the land.
Until the courts rule and the State takes ownership.. it is still federal land.
So Federal regs apply.

Are you ok for the rancher grazing his cattle without paying any fees (the issue is not who gets the grazing fees, State or Fed). the rancher has had a free ride for five years.
Not fair to the State or Federal tax payers.
 
Regardless of who owns the building, the rent is not going to be free.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Actually that's the state of Nevada's land and they are backing the rancher.
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Then up to the Nevadans....and it doenst make the state right or having the public's or land's best interests in mind.
 
mike2810 said:
From the OP"
"The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The vast and rugged land is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and the land has been off-limits for cattle since 1998. Five years before that, when grazing was legal, Bundy stopped paying federal fees for the right."

BLM land is public land. As a taxpayer I object to someone using the land for free for a commerical business. It is not Bundy's ranch/land. It is our land. I have no objection to ranchers paying to graze on public land when the grazing is managed. At times I feel the t&e act is unfair to historical usages of the land.

that said. I feel the feds need to not over react. The rancher also needs to not over react. Bundy needs to understand that BLM must follow the laws passed by Congress and the land is not his.
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mike2810 said:
Not to derail..
Some States have taken issue with the Feds owning the land.
Until the courts rule and the State takes ownership.. it is still federal land.
So Federal regs apply.

Are you ok for the rancher grazing his cattle without paying any fees (the issue is not who gets the grazing fees, State or Fed). the rancher has had a free ride for five years.
Not fair to the State or Federal tax payers.
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mike look at the dates you posted. Bundy quit paying grazing fees in 1993, that is TWENTY ONE years he hasn't paid. I'm sure cattle ranchers in Florida and other states would love to have free grazing land for 21 years also but once you get east of the Rockies, ranchers either own the grazing land or they lease it from other private owners. Why should this nut job get a free ride? NOW he says he would pay the state for grazing rights, why hasn't he said that during the past 21 years?
 
Somerville said:
mike look at the dates you posted. Bundy quit paying grazing fees in 1993, that is TWENTY ONE years he hasn't paid. I'm sure cattle ranchers in Florida and other states would love to have free grazing land for 21 years also but once you get east of the Rockies, ranchers either own the grazing land or they lease it from other private owners. Why should this nut job get a free ride? NOW he says he would pay the state for grazing rights, why hasn't he said that during the past 21 years?
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I went by the news article. Maybe I didn't see the five years correctly.
Bottom line. His cattle is in tresspass. He has no right to graze. The State of Nevada wish they owned the federal lands, but they don't.

BLM is within their rights to round up the cattle.

If you thought I was supporting the rancher, I am not.
I was pointing out that some of the T&E laws are a bit overboard.
 
If Governor Sandoval had any guts at all he'd call up the Nevada national guard and tell the BLM and FBI they have one hour to vacate or will be removed from the State by force.
 
Napoleon said:
If Governor Sandoval had any guts at all he'd call up the Nevada national guard and tell the BLM and FBI they have one hour to vacate or will be removed from the State by force.
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Just before the state of Nevada seceded from the union?

If it were state lands, why should the citizens of Nevada give this guy a free ride any more than the citizens of the entire country should?
 
American said:
The federal government owns too much land in Nevada, it's ****ing outrageous. The governor should call out the national guard and seize it.
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So you want Nevadans to pay increased taxes to manage the land? Get lost dude. You don't live here and this cattle rancher is a criminal an a parasite. He should have been shot for trespassing. "American" needs to stop trying to stick his nose in other peoples affairs.
 
reinoe said:
So you want Nevadans to pay increased taxes to manage the land? Get lost dude. You don't live here and this cattle rancher is a criminal an a parasite. He should have been shot for trespassing. "American" needs to stop trying to stick his nose in other peoples affairs.
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You get lost how about that; you're sucking off my tax dollars by having 84% of your land under Federal control. Nevada is a parasite along with its citizens.
 
American said:
The federal government owns too much land in Nevada, it's ****ing outrageous. The governor should call out the national guard and seize it.
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You sure are quick to advocate overriding state rights. The people of Nevada disagree with you.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If it were state lands, why should the citizens of Nevada give this guy a free ride any more than the citizens of the entire country should?
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The land does not belong to the Federal government. Several attempts have been made in Congress to make the Golde Butte Federal land and they have failed. In fact, there's a bill right now which has been languishing in committee since last year. Why should ranchers have to give up grazing lands without compensation or pay enormous fees to use public property?
 
Hell, the government could have done this more efficiently. Man owes grazing taxes? Cool. Seize some cattle, and auction it off on the open market to pay the taxes. It's a simple solution.
 
Napoleon said:
The land does not belong to the Federal government. Several attempts have been made in Congress to make the Golde Butte Federal land and they have failed. In fact, there's a bill right now which has been languishing in committee since last year. Why should ranchers have to give up grazing lands without compensation or pay enormous fees to use public property?
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Really? I hadn't heard that. So, who does the land belong to? Unless it belongs to the rancher who wants to graze his cattle there, he's a freeloader and should be evicted from it. There is no such thing as free land.
 
Napoleon said:
If Governor Sandoval had any guts at all he'd call up the Nevada national guard and tell the BLM and FBI they have one hour to vacate or will be removed from the State by force.
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I can't help but notice you're location listed as Columbus, oh. Remind me again why you think you have a right to tell Nevadans how our governor should act? I think people like you should mind your own business.
 
Care to explain? The people of NV would likely be happy to buy the US Govts land if they'd offer it for sale. I know 3 sections I'd take tomorrow if you'd just make it so....being that Sammy's welfare rangers have to cross my land to get to theirs.


American said:
You get lost how about that; you're sucking off my tax dollars by having 84% of your land under Federal control. Nevada is a parasite along with its citizens.
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I've been reading about radical anti govt types rushing to this crooks "aid" all day. I can imagine some of them actually begging for a fight. People are growing so weary of this regime, this govt, that they'd take the side of a scammer and thief that doesn't want to play by the rules cause he's old, Mormon and been there long enough to have his way ( so he thinks ).


Dittohead not! said:
Really? I hadn't heard that. So, who does the land belong to? Unless it belongs to the rancher who wants to graze his cattle there, he's a freeloader and should be evicted from it. There is no such thing as free land.
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CalGun said:
Care to explain? The people of NV would likely be happy to buy the US Govts land if they'd offer it for sale. I know 3 sections I'd take tomorrow if you'd just make it so....being that Sammy's welfare rangers have to cross my land to get to theirs.
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The federal govt has no business controlling 84% of a state. It's cost money.
 
Lursa said:
Well since those are public lands, plenty of us do choose to see the tortoises survive and not see the rest of the range degraded by illegal grazing. It's landed that belongs to everyone and he's cheating all of us, financially and environmentally.
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I agree with you - to a degree.

The rancher is 67 years old and his family has grazed cattle on that land for three generations. If the rancher lives on site, and he probably does, then I have little doubt that he is a living part of a culture that is fast vanishing.

None of this means that the rancher should get to graze for free. What it does mean to me is that the totality of the circumstances suggest that the rancher's use of the land should be grandfathered- so long as he pays the rent.

There could be other stipulations as well, such as the number of cattle must be with his historical norms. Yes, some tortoises might be killed, but the rancher is 67 years old and as the grandfathering only applies to him (and perhaps a few other 60 year old (+) ) ranchers, he will not be there forever.
 
American said:
You get lost how about that; you're sucking off my tax dollars by having 84% of your land under Federal control. Nevada is a parasite along with its citizens.
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Virginia is #10 on the list of states that receive the most welfare from the feds. They receive $1.51 for each dollar they send to the feds. Nevada doesn't even make the top 20

Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider
 
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