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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Bigfoot 88 said:
This was common grazing ground, and used by the man's family since 1870. In 1946, the BLM was formed. I hope the feds turn out looking horrible after this.
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why?

Are you for anyone grazing on public lands? I wonder how the rancher would react if someone else ran some cattle in the same area. It is after all "public lands".

Personally. A rancher who has failed to pay the grazing fees for many, many years, is ripping off all of us.

Would you feel the same if the land was State of Nevada land? States also charge fees to graze.
 
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mike2810 said:
why?

Are you for anyone grazing on public lands? I wonder how the rancher would react if someone else ran some cattle in the same area. It is after all "public lands".

Personally. A rancher who has failed to pay the grazing fees for many, many years, is ripping off all of us.
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Some people are just blinded to the reality that freedom isn't free. The had all those generations and decades to purchase the land and chose not to do so.
 
reinoe said:
Read the post with the edits.
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Ok.

reinoe said:
What was FACTUALLY INCORRECT about the statement I made? Did I agree that the situation was acceptable? No I did not and have also repeatedly stated that the mandate should have been ruled unconstitutional. Funny how you failed to mention that. And aren't you the guy who advocates that it's ok to watch pornagraphy of 8 year olds?
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No, I never put forward any position on the topic of watching child porn.

Maybe you should read the definition of the word mandate to see how you are factually incorrect.

Mandate: an official order or commission to do something.
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If the government mandates the citizens buy health insurance, then yeah, they have been ordered by the government to buy health insurance.
 
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mike2810 said:
why?

Are you for anyone grazing on public lands? I wonder how the rancher would react if someone else ran some cattle in the same area. It is after all "public lands".

Personally. A rancher who has failed to pay the grazing fees for many, many years, is ripping off all of us.

Would you feel the same if the land was State of Nevada land? States also charge fees to graze.
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It's kind of silly to defend the fed here considering they stole the land in question.
 
mike2810 said:
why?

Are you for anyone grazing on public lands? I wonder how the rancher would react if someone else ran some cattle in the same area. It is after all "public lands".

Personally. A rancher who has failed to pay the grazing fees for many, many years, is ripping off all of us.

Would you feel the same if the land was State of Nevada land? States also charge fees to graze.
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I'm kind of curious how the rancher ripped anyone off.
 
Henrin said:
It's kind of silly to defend the fed here considering they stole the land in question.
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no source to your statement.

Stole from who?

I will try again. Is it your stance that anyone should be able to graze on the land in question? Is it your position that the State or the Feds should not collect any grazing fees for the rancher grazing cattle on that land?

How about minerals. Could someone just go out and start mining on that land?
 
Henrin said:
I'm kind of curious how the rancher ripped anyone off.
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Try answering my questions.

So is it your stance than anyone can go out and cut down a forest for lumber?
The rip off is the rancher is getting free feed for his cattle. How about someone else running a herd of cattle on the same land? Why couldn't the other person get free use of the same land?
 
Henrin said:
Ok.



No, I never put forward any position on the topic of watching child porn.

Maybe you should read the definition of the word mandate to see how you are factually incorrect.



If the government mandates the citizens buy health insurance, then yeah, they have been ordered by the government to buy health insurance.
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You don't have to buy insurance, you can pay a tax instead. So logically you aren't required to buy insurance. This was defended by the Supreme Court so I will not budge on this.
 
Well unfortunately there is no time travel and we can't go back and give the land to the state for it belongs to the F gov. That's just the reality of it, and one that this rancher wants to ignore, but can't. 200 people, BTW isn't all that many to round up a heard spread over 600,000 acres. They had to increase their size due to the rancher wanting a wet dream range war, and plenty of libertarian govt haters are rushing to his aid.


American said:
Don't take my comments out of context. I was responding to a jerk who expects the rest of the country to pay for management of land that should belong to Nevada. How honest your federal people are out there irrelevant, I shouldn't be paying for your land management. It's your state, you pay for it. Sorry dude. And as far as that cattle rancher is concerned, that should be for a Nevada court to decide, and not the federal govt. So my statement still stands, the governor should tell the feds to leave or he'll run them off. 200 federals out there againt one rancher is ridiculous anyway.
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PirateMk1 said:
Actually that's the state of Nevada's land and they are backing the rancher.
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Why are you making false statements to bolster your argument?
In a statement released Monday, the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association also distanced itself from Bundy and his livestock, noting that it supports effective range management and cooperation among agencies to balance ranching and the conservation of wildlife.
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Rancher
 
reinoe said:
I also believe in the rule of law. The fees in place are to prevent any idiotic tom, dick, and harry from running roughshod over the wilderness and to maintain the balance of the habitat. If he's not willing to pay the fees then he should accept that he's unwilling to heard his cattle in the area. He's already been getting a free ride for nearly 20 years. **** that asshole. He wants to eat his cake and have it too.

He's harming others because he's harming the wilderness which I enjoy. Regardless of how you feel about the natural wildlife in the area, his herding is causing wildlife to be harmed. Live his life how he wants? **** that noise, sounds like petulant selfishness to me. Who's he paying to maintain the habitat? Nevada? The Feds? Oh he's not paying anyone.
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So you beleive in laws that restrict liberty when its things you like. Thats liberal, not libertarian.
 
Kreton said:
I am guessing the rancher and the government officials are both refusing to compromise or budge. Which leads to things like this.
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Yea, screw his property rights. The gubmint in on the case now.
I think the G is spoiling for a fight, and it starting to look like they may get it.
 
mike2810 said:
why?

Are you for anyone grazing on public lands? I wonder how the rancher would react if someone else ran some cattle in the same area. It is after all "public lands".

Personally. A rancher who has failed to pay the grazing fees for many, many years, is ripping off all of us.

Would you feel the same if the land was State of Nevada land? States also charge fees to graze.
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I don't think you know how those grazing rights work.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I don't think you know how those grazing rights work.
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Funny. I do understand. Do you?

If one fails to pay the grazing fee for so many years should they retain the grazing rights.

My point. having the grazing rights on a chunk of land does not make it the persons personal property.

The land in question is not the ranchers. He has been in violation for many years.
 
mike2810 said:
Funny. I do understand. Do you?

If one fails to pay the grazing fee for so many years should they retain the grazing rights.

My point. having the grazing rights on a chunk of land does not make it the persons personal property.

The land in question is not the ranchers. He has been in violation for many years.
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Why? Tell the whole story.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Why? Tell the whole story.
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So are you supporting the rancher in his illegal grazing?

You can look up the federal regualtions regarding grazing on public lands.
You can look up how Nevada became a State and what and why certain lands remained federal
 
mike2810 said:
So are you supporting the rancher in his illegal grazing?

You can look up the federal regualtions regarding grazing on public lands.
You can look up how Nevada became a State and what and why certain lands remained federal
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The federal G owns over 22% of all lands in the US. But they have to send in armed officers over some cows? Yea, they aint looking for a fight.
This is a fishing expedition by the G to see how far they can go and how much push back they will get.
 
CRUE CAB said:
The federal G owns over 22% of all lands in the US. But they have to send in armed officers over some cows? Yea, they aint looking for a fight.
This is a fishing expedition by the G to see how far they can go and how much push back they will get.
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nope.
its many years of non compliance by the rancher to pay grazing fees.
So you wnat to give him a free ride. Got it.
 
mike2810 said:
nope.
its many years of non compliance by the rancher to pay grazing fees.
So you wnat to give him a free ride. Got it.
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Why not, we give illegals free rides to the tune of millions every year.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Why not, we give illegals free rides to the tune of millions every year.
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mixing apples and oranges are we?

So your ok with illegals now and ranchers not paying for use of public lands. I think your trolling this issue.
 
If those cows were illegal aliens, the feds would be serving them Kool-Aid and cookies and giving them rides around the property. Might even move them into the rancher's house and force him to move out.
 
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