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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

I like Stewart's show, but take it for what it is worth, liberal opinion comedy....Not news by any stretch.



Yes, he is in violation of a couple court decisions...As far as I know it hasn't been in the SC yet, so I think there is a way to go with the courts....As far as "picking and choosing" those are your words, and as far as I am concerned you sentiments...I have stated repeatedly that he should pay his fees.

Which means nothing. He violated the law and until any sc ruling, he is subject to it. Isn't that what we expect of everyone?
 
Which means nothing. He violated the law and until any sc ruling, he is subject to it. Isn't that what we expect of everyone?

Really? Is that how appeals go? See, silly me, I always thought that the ruling of a particular court if appealed was in lay terms kind of 'on hold' until the higher court ruled...
 
Really? Is that how appeals go? See, silly me, I always thought that the ruling of a particular court if appealed was in lay terms kind of 'on hold' until the higher court ruled...

Even with appeals, you have to be granted a stay. You don't just decide you won't comply. Absent a court order to wait, he has to comply. So, no, nothing is on hold.
 
Well, then what did you mean?

I mean, and I think you know this, there are people out there hold guns. His would feel about a drug user having people show up with guns saying the police better not come in? Do we support that?
 
let's hear more from the fellow so many of the wingers are defending:
“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy was quoted as saying to a group of supporters last Saturday. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
sleep with dogs and get up with fleas
wonder when our flea bitten forum friends will figure that out
 
Are you saying that they didn't have any other recourse other than showing up like para military? I don't think that is right....Anyway, we all wanted to know why the government last year was buying up all the ammo, and weapons, I guess now we have our answer....I personally can't wait until all the liberals now supporting these actions are effected by them, then just wait to hear the screaming....

Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.
 
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The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.

The analogy was made of toll roads.

To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.

Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).

Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE87U06D20120831?irpc=932

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04...-scandal-according-to-purged-documents-112136
(Second link shows how the documents have been removed even from Google cache.... which REQUIRES A REQUEST FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTENT OWNERS.)
 
The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.

The analogy was made of toll roads.

To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.

Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).

Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?

U.S. Senator Reid, son combine for China firm's desert plant

Harry Reid connected to Bundy cattle ranch, according to purged documents - BizPac Review
(Second link shows how the documents have been removed even from Google cache.... which REQUIRES A REQUEST FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTENT OWNERS.)

Links please, something other than media bias.
 
Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.


That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

"Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

"We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

Or if you want more recent try this one....

"In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

“People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



Read more: Colorado county wants to seize land over unauthorized ATV use | The Daily Caller

The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
 
Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.


That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

"Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

"We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

Or if you want more recent try this one....

"In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

“People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



Read more: Colorado county wants to seize land over unauthorized ATV use | The Daily Caller

The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
 
The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.
appears you started by further elevating that level of ignorance

The analogy was made of toll roads.

To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.
that analogy does not work on any level
he has no garage. the one next door that has been unattended for 20 years is where he has sent his herd to crap and eat. and when the owner of that property has prevailed in court and won a judgment the owner was about to recover from, the trespasser threatens violence, having gotten used to trespassing for so long

Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).
you do note here that BLM observed actions that were non-compliant with the regulations for the land they are responsible for managing; does that mean you think federal agencies should refuse to perform their jobs - in this instance federal lands management

Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?
the reason given was to avoid the possibility of violence. was that not a valid reason?

U.S. Senator Reid, son combine for China firm's desert plant

Harry Reid connected to Bundy cattle ranch, according to purged documents - BizPac Review
(Second link shows how the documents have been removed even from Google cache.... which REQUIRES A REQUEST FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTENT OWNERS.)

you have given us no reason to be sympathetic with this racist scofflaw
 
That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

"Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

"We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

Or if you want more recent try this one....

"In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

“People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



Read more: Colorado county wants to seize land over unauthorized ATV use | The Daily Caller

The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
I'm glad you brought up Gibson.

Now, let me bring up the subject of people planting bombs in BLM and Forest Service Offices, and one bomb planted under a forest service supervisor's vehicle. This so called range war has been heating on the back burner for quite a while now, if you didn't know.

If you read a few stories about Bundy, you would know he contacted a militia group before federal officers showed up. It's out there, all you need to do is read, and no, I won't do your homework for you, look it up for yourself.

I still contend cons wanted to see blood spilled, so they could point fingers and say, see, I told you so. But, they didn't get their wish. But, if people think that Bundy won, they are badly mistaken. Bundy might be arrested in the future, and some militia members may be going with him to the pokey if they obstruct justice or interfere with arresting officers.
 
appears you started by further elevating that level of ignorance


that analogy does not work on any level
he has no garage. the one next door that has been unattended for 20 years is where he has sent his herd to crap and eat. and when the owner of that property has prevailed in court and won a judgment the owner was about to recover from, the trespasser threatens violence, having gotten used to trespassing for so long


you do note here that BLM observed actions that were non-compliant with the regulations for the land they are responsible for managing; does that mean you think federal agencies should refuse to perform their jobs - in this instance federal lands management


the reason given was to avoid the possibility of violence. was that not a valid reason?



you have given us no reason to be sympathetic with this racist scofflaw

Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.
 
Links please, something other than media bias.
OMG do you understand what you said. Who else besides the media would put something up on the internet to be linked to? you mean you'd prefer a blogging link, a forum link. No you want a miracle link to someone with absolutely no bias at all.

Get real.
 
OMG do you understand what you said. Who else besides the media would put something up on the internet to be linked to? you mean you'd prefer a blogging link, a forum link. No you want a miracle link to someone with absolutely no bias at all.

Get real.

I'd like an unbiased source.

Ask yourself this, how did the militia know that the BLM was coming to remove cattle? Couldn't have been that Bundy called a few of his anti government associates and told them they were coming, could it?

Some militia came from Idaho, that's more than a one hour drive, can you explain that?
 
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Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.

Bundy is openly defying the Nevada state constitution, primarily article 1 section 2.

Sec: 2.  Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.  All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

The paramount alliegence clause.

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEVADA
 
There comes a point where people won't stand for over bearing government anymore...you know, like the founding of this country?

Reminds me of Shay's Rebellion...which was the inspiration for creating a strong federal government that could enforce the laws. History shows that the founding fathers would not have put up with Mr. Bundy and would have cut him down without hesitation.
 
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Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.


This is one of Bundy's most recent statements, which I don't believe have any bearing on his cattle grazing claims but it is suspect towards prejudice.


“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
Continue reading the main story

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/u...-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?hp&_r=0
 
I'd like an unbiased source.

Ask yourself this, how did the militia know that the BLM was coming to remove cattle? Couldn't have been that Bundy called a few of his anti government associates and told them they were coming, could it?

Some militia came from Idaho, that's more than a one hour drive, can you explain that?

Um, who cares who told them. What does it matter. Was it a secret?
 
To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.

Sigh, it is not Bundy's garage, so there is no extortion. Noow, Bundy does own 180 acres of land, but he does not want to keep his property on his land.

Lets do an experiment:

-Don't pay your parking meter fees for severl years
-Claim that you own the streets due to your special ancestory
-Tell the local police that:
A. You will continue to park on local streets
B. You will never pay the parking fee
C. You will do whatever it takes to defend your property.
- The, get lots of blind followers juiced up

I bet the people that tow your car are going to be armed (shocker)
 
Um, who cares who told them. What does it matter. Was it a secret?

Actually, it does matter slightly, those militia members chanced a gunfight. It's probably a good thing the feds backed off on that one. I have the feeling that the feds will arrest Bundy and those who try to obstruct law enforcement during his arrest.

Bundy has made new news recently with his racial remarks, which might be unsettling to some. We might very well see civil rights activists gathering at his ranch, who knows?
 
Actually, it does matter slightly, those militia members chanced a gunfight. It's probably a good thing the feds backed off on that one. I have the feeling that the feds will arrest Bundy and those who try to obstruct law enforcement during his arrest.

Bundy has made new news recently with his racial remarks, which might be unsettling to some. We might very well see civil rights activists gathering at his ranch, who knows?

Hannidy said it right on his radio show today. Whether Bundy is right or wrong about wanting to graze his land on public land, the government was wrong by going after him the way they did. They should've first put a lien out on his land and cattle before bringing in the guns.
 
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