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Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

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did you watch the video Kobie? you didn't did you? bury your head in the sand much?
 
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Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

That is not all they found. The problem is the the IRS is stonewalling. They still have not turned over all the emails that were requested many months ago. Why? what the hell are they trying to hide?

Okay, fair enough.

I'm still waiting on that smoking gun. I'm not trying to downplay what's happened. If IRS officials purposely targeted political non-profit organizations to slow them down from spinning up their grassroots campaign efforts n the run-up to the 2012 presidential election, then heads really should roll. I just don't think what's been presented to date equates to a conspiracy. But I admit I haven't been keeping abreast of this story for a while. So, it's very possible I've missed some key points that paint a clearer picture.
 
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The smoking gun is more than likely to be found with false the vote, versus lois lerner, if there is one .
 
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That is not all they found. The problem is the the IRS is stonewalling. They still have not turned over all the emails that were requested many months ago. Why? what the hell are they trying to hide?

maybe because there is a justice department inquiry currently investigating the matter?
 
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Ii dont think for one second your'e concerned with American lives over seas.

You seem to defend the administration in the Benghazzi threads also.

Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off.. Republicans are allowed to disclose top secret infromation and put US operatives overseas at risk, but when a Dem does it then all hell breaks lose.

And as for Benghazi ... more people have died under Bush at US diplomatic posts than at Benghazi, so tell me, why no mass investigations into that?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off.. Republicans are allowed to disclose top secret infromation and put US operatives overseas at risk, but when a Dem does it then all hell breaks lose.

And as for Benghazi ... more people have died under Bush at US diplomatic posts than at Benghazi, so tell me, why no mass investigations into that?

Probably because no one lied to cover up why those attacks happened under Bush. Just like no one lied to cover up the even greater number of deaths at the two embassies in Africa that were attacked under clinton.
 
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Probably because no one lied to cover up why those attacks happened under Bush. Just like no one lied to cover up the even greater number of deaths at the two embassies in Africa that were attacked under clinton.

Who LIED to cover up the reasons for the attack?
 
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Probably because no one lied to cover up why those attacks happened under Bush. Just like no one lied to cover up the even greater number of deaths at the two embassies in Africa that were attacked under clinton.

Wait a minute.... are you saying that the GOP is claiming they are going after the whole story because someone lied or that 4 American's died.... because what I see is the GOP pushing for the 4 American's died, not that someone supposedly lied. Now if we want to go after liars.... how about the GOP starts with the ones in their own party? You could start with Issa since he has been caught doing it a few times, and then there is of course Bush.. two nice juicy targets for investigation if we are talking about going after liars... it would balance out the attacks against Dems a bit no?
 
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Who LIED to cover up the reasons for the attack?

Really? Are you that deep in denial?
It has already been established that the obama administration tried to conceal the nature of the attack so he could continue his "alqueda is on the run" meme. And, don't claim that obama himself wasn't in on it. Two weeks after that attack he was still trying to push that lie in a speech before the UN honoring Ambassador Stevens.
Remarks by the President to the United Nations General Assembly
That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.
 
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Wait a minute.... are you saying that the GOP is claiming they are going after the whole story because someone lied or that 4 American's died.... because what I see is the GOP pushing for the 4 American's died, not that someone supposedly lied. Now if we want to go after liars.... how about the GOP starts with the ones in their own party? You could start with Issa since he has been caught doing it a few times, and then there is of course Bush.. two nice juicy targets for investigation if we are talking about going after liars... it would balance out the attacks against Dems a bit no?

You'll see what you want to see. You probably still think clinton was impeached because of a blowjob and for lying before Congress.
 
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You'll see what you want to see. You probably still think clinton was impeached because of a blowjob and for lying before Congress.

No he was impeached for lying to Congress... but it was lying about a personal sexual act that was NO BUSINESS of the investigation or anyone else but him, her and his wife. The GOP wanted to bust him for corruption, could not so went under the bedsheets instead to find dirt.. and we all know that can be pretty easy to find for anyone and people tend to "lie" when questioned about it... it was basic entrapment... Clinton was screwed regardless of what he did.
 
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Really? Are you that deep in denial?
It has already been established that the obama administration tried to conceal the nature of the attack so he could continue his "alqueda is on the run" meme. And, don't claim that obama himself wasn't in on it. Two weeks after that attack he was still trying to push that lie in a speech before the UN honoring Ambassador Stevens.
Remarks by the President to the United Nations General Assembly

We're getting off topic but on Sept 12, the day after the attack(s) in Benghazi while speaking in the Rose Garden, President Obama
“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”

This will be my only reply concerning Benghazi as it is off topic
 
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You know, the Democrats haven't changed a bit from what they were 20 years ago.

The only difference is they're not trying to pretend they're something they're not under Obama.

They're not trying to pretend they're decent, honest, American, troop loving people.

The pretense is gone and they don't care if the Country perceives them as the dirt bags they are.
 
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Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off.. Republicans are allowed to disclose top secret infromation and put US operatives overseas at risk, but when a Dem does it then all hell breaks lose.

And as for Benghazi ... more people have died under Bush at US diplomatic posts than at Benghazi, so tell me, why no mass investigations into that?

We don't see you crying about Wikileaks much, though. Speaking of hypocrisy-n-all...
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

So, let me get this straight...

Of all the Conservative non-profit out there, Rep. Issa has pinged on one- True the Vote - and among all the digging he and his staff have done to date the only possible "link" he's dug up that connects an ex-IRS official to possible wrong doing are two lines in an email that read:



That's it? That's the best Rep. Issa could do after months of investigative work and public hearings at the taxpayers' expense? Really?

Don't get me wrong, on the surface the dialog clearly shows Lerner was looking into True the Vote, but does this in itself indicate something malicious or was it part of normal, routine business? For all we know that inquiry could have been a routine question asked about any non-profit applicant in the course of a typical workday. In this case, isn't it possible that: a) Lerner was inquiring about one of several other non-profits in that email or were they the only such non-profit organization mentioned?; or b) Lerner was following up on that status of an inquiry that involved True the Vote as part of normal, routine business. The point I'm trying to make here, folks, is unless we know more details as to the content of the email Rep. Issa claims to have uncovered, we really don't know if this particular email is the "smoking gun". From the sounds of it, this doesn't amount to much except Rep. Issa trying to claim "we got something!" which really doesn't appear to be much of anything in my book.


Why are you ok with the IRS leaking confidential information to Congress membes, for political reasons?
 
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You know, the Democrats haven't changed a bit from what they were 20 years ago.

The only difference is they're not trying to pretend they're something they're not under Obama.

They're not trying to pretend they're decent, honest, American, troop loving people.

The pretense is gone and they don't care if the Country perceives them as the dirt bags they are.


Always nice to read polite conversation responses - Don't ya think?
 
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We don't see you crying about Wikileaks much, though. Speaking of hypocrisy-n-all...

There is a difference between releasing classified information to harm political enemies as Issa has done, and outing government abuse like Wikileaks has done.

As I said before, I dont know or care about the substance of what Issa is doing, because it is Issa. He might be right, but his is tainting the message by his very presence so that no one but the hardcorest anti-Obama freaks will believe him. Issa has been caught in using fake email's before, in manufactured evidence and so on, so why the hell should we believe him now?
 
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We're getting off topic but on Sept 12, the day after the attack(s) in Benghazi while speaking in the Rose Garden, President Obama

And, on Sept 15 before the UN he said:

That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.

Quite frankly, I'm kind of shocked you didn't bring up the 13 benghazis under Bush' meme.
 
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So Issa wants to eliminate the only person with the ability to call his witch hunt for what it is and the power to do anything about it. Interesting.

OR to look at it a different way, the one person most vocally opposed to the investigation moving forward was complicit in the scandal.
 
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And, on Sept 15 before the UN he said:



Quite frankly, I'm kind of shocked you didn't bring up the 13 benghazis under Bush' meme.

Please stop trying to derail this topic. Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True [W:130]
 
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So your fine with all this just going away because it suites your ideology ?

You weigh the charge of corruption, even when it comes with proof by who it benefits politically ?

Thats fine with me. It just proves we have a bigger problemon our hands than just a corrupt administration.

That's a foolish statement. There has been no proof of any harm done, all the organizations got their exemption anyway. The biggest joke is they didn't even need to apply for them. The only "corruption" I see is the law itself. Political organizations should never be tax exempt. If Issa would do something about that I could have some respect for him. But all he does is continue his partisan witchhunt, the worst since McCarthy.
 
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