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Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.

I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?

You can not plead the fifth on testimony that pertains to any other person, it is only for protection from self incrimination. When she chose to state that she had done nothing wrong to begin her testimony she waived the right to plead the fifth because that testimony of her innocence, if true, would negate the purpose of the Fifth, and if false she lied to congress.

This is why you are supposed to plead the firth from the start.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?

We cannot invoke the Fifth during testimony, otherwise they may as well not bother with it. Once testimony begins we cannot take the fifth on some questions but not on others.

Had Lerner advised the court earlier she would have been legally using her constitutional right.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.

where does the fifth amendment say that?
point it out
or be found - wrong (again)
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

where does the fifth amendment say that?
point it out

or be found - wrong (again)
Yes. As you've probably noticed, anyone testifying under oath can refuse to answer questions any time they want, pleading the fifth, and deciding which questions they will answer and which ones they won't. It happens all the time.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

Why are you ok with the IRS leaking confidential information to Congress membes, for political reasons?

I wasn't aware the IRS leaks was the problem Rep. Issa was investigating. I thought he was looking into the IRS purposely scrutinizing/delaying applications for Conservative non-profit groups. Which one is it?
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

I wasn't aware the IRS leaks was the problem Rep. Issa was investigating. I thought he was looking into the IRS purposely scrutinizing/delaying applications for Conservative non-profit groups. Which one is it?

Obviously there is more to investigate.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

I wasn't aware the IRS leaks was the problem Rep. Issa was investigating. I thought he was looking into the IRS purposely scrutinizing/delaying applications for Conservative non-profit groups. Which one is it?
Does it have to be one if the problem is corruption throughout the IRS? The American people will likely want to know if this very powerful agency is doing any wrong.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

Obviously there is more to investigate.

Does it have to be one if the problem is corruption throughout the IRS? The American people will likely want to know if this very powerful agency is doing any wrong.

In short, "let's turn the IRS upside, down and see what shakes out." If you go fishing for trouble, you'll liable to find it sooner or later....even if it's trouble of your own creation or imagination. :roll:

I'm not saying there weren't any questionable activity that took place within the IRS. Clearly, there was. But you investigate what you DO know to be wrong-doing and, if necessary, dove-tail onto whatever else you find in the normal investigative process. But you DON'T go creating an investigation from an investigation which is the true definition of "looking for problems where there aren't any".
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

In short, "let's turn the IRS upside, down and see what shakes out." If you go fishing for trouble, you'll liable to find it sooner or later....even if it's trouble of your own creation or imagination. :roll:

I'm not saying there weren't any questionable activity that took place within the IRS. Clearly, there was. But you investigate what you DO know to be wrong-doing and, if necessary, dove-tail onto whatever else you find in the normal investigative process. But you DON'T go creating an investigation from an investigation which is the true definition of "looking for problems where there aren't any".

That's right. The IRS serve the American people. The People have a right to know the IRS is conducting its business properly.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

In short, "let's turn the IRS upside, down and see what shakes out." If you go fishing for trouble, you'll liable to find it sooner or later....even if it's trouble of your own creation or imagination. :roll:
No one except you said "let's turn the IRS upside, down and see what shakes out." If you are going make things up you should at least have the dignity of Lois Lerner and plead the Fifth instead.
I'm not saying there weren't any questionable activity that took place within the IRS. Clearly, there was. But you investigate what you DO know to be wrong-doing and, if necessary, dove-tail onto whatever else you find in the normal investigative process. But you DON'T go creating an investigation from an investigation which is the true definition of "looking for problems where there aren't any".
Again, you are fabricating quotes from your imagination. While you're in such a creative mood, why not imagine a quotation from Lois Lerner as to why she pled the Fifth?
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

That's right. The IRS serve the American people. The People have a right to know the IRS is conducting its business properly.

But apparently only on a 'need to know' basis.
 
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