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Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Then why the lies and 5th ammendment pleas ?
I don't know. She could be covering up her own incompetence. If it were me testifying in front of Darrell Issa, I might do the the same thing. It's evident to me and others that Issa is not interested in the truth, he's interested in nailing Obama the truth be damned.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

I don't know. She could be covering up her own incompetence. If it were me testifying in front of Darrell Issa, I might do the the same thing. It's evident to me and others that Issa is not interested in the truth, he's interested in nailing Obama the truth be damned.

Huh ??

She's pleading the fifth because she was incompetent ?

Allot of criminals are incompetent. Its why they're criminals but it's not a legitimate defense.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Yes, something did happen. The IRS, in a ham-fisted way of sorting through the deluge of applications for 501(c)(4) status, used certain keywords to filter organizations for extra scrutiny to make sure they weren't attempting to skirt tax law.

And the "improper" part mentioned in the Treasury report was using keywords.

Because doing so caused some groups to be scrutinized who shouldnt have been and allowed some wbo should have been to slip by.

Treasury said EVERY groups should be scrutinized based on their activities rather than their namez.

Which may have been worse for the repubs because of rampant abuse of the 501 (c)(4) classification.
And lets not forget that the STATUTE forbids ANY election intervention activity for (4)s.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

The IRS "scandal" is a bunch of made-up nonsense.

Proven incorrect, by the IRS itself.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Anyone else amused that every leftist in this thread has completely ignored the Cummings/Lerner connection?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Because the law was applied unevenly in favor of liberal and progressive organizations.

It's surreal watching the left scream bloody murder about how the Citizens United SCOTUS decision ended free elections forever and then watch them try and argue that the uneven application of the very law that Citizens United expanded is no big deal.

There is not one iota of evidence that indicates that the law was unevenly applied. In fact, all investigations seem to indicate that the IRS bent over backwards to apply the law evenly when it was being abused unevenly.

No one can argue that Republican leaning groups made a huge push to funnel money into elections through 501c4 front groups leading up to and immediately after the citizens united decision. They did this purely to influence elections without disclosure. Liberal groups were not as well funded, and their funding mainly went into traditional 527 PACs.

The bulk of the increase of 501c4 groups were conservative groups. Among them were groups which were clearly misrepresenting their intentions to violate the law, groups which did not understand the restrictions on 501c4's and applied when they shouldn't have, groups which were formed to do activities which the IRS had previously allowed but were in violation of the actual law, and legitimate 501c4 groups with a political lean.

To try to deal with this in a fair and balance manner while understaffed and under funded, the IRS issued BOLO lists which targeted groups with political buzzwords in their names. This was a shortcut, aimed at quickly separating political groups from legitimate 501c4s. These included words like Tea Party, 9/12, Patriots as well as Progressive and Occupy. The IRS deemed this to be improper.

Yes, I was EXTREMELY concerned when I heard the first headlines. The politicization of the IRS should concern every American citizen regardless of party. So I looked into it, with an open mind, completely expecting the IRS to be in the wrong. I went through the groups they had processed and examined them myself. I did a statistical analysis of what I found. Instead of the expected bias against conservatives, my data indicated a bias against liberals; understandablly considering they were much fewer in number. Sure the IRS screwed up....but in a way that's totally understandable for overwhelmed and confused bureaucrats attempting to regulate something completely out of their expertise. These were your friends and neighbors who were just doing the best that they could.

And as a reality check, Obama is an outstanding politician. Anyone thinks that delaying the application of 20 or so TeaParty groups for a status they didn't have to apply for is an idiot, and doesn't have the political sense to get elected to dogcatcher. (in anywhere except New Jersey where they seem to like that sort of thing)
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Or paranoid ones. Even IF the IRS "scandal" turns out to be real, the idea that it "swayed the election" is insane.

The IRS has admitted it's real.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Moderator's Warning:
Final warnings I'm going to give you folks. Keep the conversation focused on the top. A few snippet of things that are NOT the topic:

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2. Poster's "sides"
3. Poster's dreams
4. George Soros, Kochs, or any other thing like them
5. Peoples opinions about "liberals" or "RWers" in a general sense

Futhermore, this is a *Breaking News* thread with a specific subject. A news story that is directly tied to President Obama in zero ways. If you'd like to create a thread discussing the potential broader implications of the IRS scandal and how it affects the white house I suggest you make a thread in a more appropriate locatoin.

This is a thread for discussing THIS SPECIFIC STORY; not just an excuse to create a new generic and broad "IRS Scandal" warzone in a populated portion of the forum.

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Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

After the revelations I've heard in the last 2 days, not only is the IRS not "not a scandal", it is far, far worse and more corrupt then I had imagined.

Normally I would confront those on the left and expect condemnation, which of course almost never comes... not this time though. I have come to the realization that this level of political corruption and abuse of power for political gain, won't be condemned by the Democrats in Washington, or by most liberals and progressives, because this is exactly the kind of government they actually want to have. They want this type of abuse of power to crush anyone who opposes their agenda.

Congratulations goes out to everyone on the left... Your efforts to silence criticism by any means, reached heights that never in my life would I have ever imagined you would have, so my hat's off too you... This is what you have wanted, and you damned sure got it... Of course my condolences go out to the overwhelming majority of freedom-loving Americans who have just learned that the country is far closer to the communist dictatorship and socialist ****hole that the left has supported and pushed for, than they ever imagined it was.

<rant off>

The radical right wings agenda will be crushed alright but not thru abuse of power but at the ballot box. You should be more afraid of that than any trumped up scandal.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Why do some continue to repeat this meme: The left continues "to silence criticism by any means" when in this specific instance it has been the right as exemplified by Darrel Issa who has time after time refused to release full documentation, preferring instead to push out edited and redacted documentation. It has been Issa who has held meetings without telling his Democratic committee members.


Once again the right accuses their opponents of the very tactics they, the right, are using. All in an attempt to draw attention away from the continuing failures of their efforts to take down the present Administration
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Not one Liberal group was targeted or not granted tax exempt status...NOT ONE....

I realize it's not Brietbart or The Daily Caller, but for those that are interested in fact...

The I.R.S. denied tax exemption to the groups — Emerge Nevada, Emerge Maine and Emerge Massachusetts — because, the agency wrote in denial letters, they were set up specifically to cultivate Democratic candidates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/b...denied-tax-exempt-status-are-named.html?_r=2&

Another source on the same story...
Report: The IRS also targeted at least three liberal groups
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

I realize it's not Brietbart or The Daily Caller, but for those that are interested in fact...



Another source on the same story...
Report: The IRS also targeted at least three liberal groups

"at least three liberal groups". First, I'm sure it was accidental, second...the IRS admitted that they inappropriately target conservative groups!
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Donations to 501c4s

Yes, you make a good point. However, you seem to have skipped over some important bits.
Contributions to civic leagues or other section 501(c)(4) organizations generally are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. They may be deductible as trade or business expenses, if ordinary and necessary in the conduct of the taxpayer’s business. However, see Nondeductible Lobbying and Political Expenditures for more information. Also, the organization may be required to disclose that contributions are not deductible when it solicits contributions.

Donations to volunteer fire companies are deductible as charitable contributions on the donor’s federal income tax return, but only if made for exclusively public purposes. Similarly, contributions to certain war veterans organizations are deductible. If the contributions are deductible as charitable contributions, substantiation and disclosure requirements may apply.​

So yes, donations to 501c4s can be deducted as a valid business expense IF they're ordinary and necessary in the conduct of that business, (you left that part out), AND if the donation is not used in any way to influence elections, participate in any political campaign, attempt to influence the public with respect to elections, legislative matters, or referendums, or support communication with covered executive branch officials in an attempt to influence actions or positions.

So your point is noted; but it's not applicable to political groups acting as 501c4s.

You made an absolute statement and I proved you're incorrect, so...
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Being held in contempt and prosecuted would put her in jail. You're claiming that process is contrary to the constitution... Which part may I ask?

this part; the fifth amendment, which you would violate for finding her in contempt for refusing to testify against herself:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
[emphasis added by bubba for the reading impaired]
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

this part; the fifth amendment, which you would violate for finding her in contempt for refusing to testify against herself:
[emphasis added by bubba for the reading impaired]

When she said there waa nothing illegal going on, underoath, she committed perjury?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

but your not concerned about the IRS scandel......

there is no irs scandal
we have a reich wing which would want there to be
but there is no scandal
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

there is no irs scandal
we have a reich wing which would want there to be
but there is no scandal

Really?

Talk about willful blindness...
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Really?

Talk about willful blindness...

not at all
your side manufactures what it would want to see
there is no actual irs scandal
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

When she said there waa nothing illegal going on, underoath, she committed perjury?

and yet there is nothing which evidences illegal behavior
which means she could not have committed perjury
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

and yet there is nothing which evidences illegal behavior
which means she could not have committed perjury

Pleading the 5th proves that she lied about there being no illegal activity.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

not at all
your side manufactures what it would want to see
there is no actual irs scandal

But, Obama said there is.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 3

I realize it's not Brietbart or The Daily Caller, but for those that are interested in fact...



Another source on the same story...
Report: The IRS also targeted at least three liberal groups

Lol !!

Then why did Lerner admit to the targeting of CONSERVATIVE groups in the first place ?

Why the 24 Consecutive Fifth amendment pleas ? If this is all just a big misunderstanding then why the continued stonewalling ?

A "Witch hunt " is the easiest thing in the world to counter.

Just tell the truth, right ? Who in their right mind would think for a second that consequtive 5th ammendment pleas is the best way to address a "witch hunt " ?

Look, no one but Obama-bots and low information Americans believe the left mitigations on this issue anymore.

But as a Conservative its fun to watch you people squirm as this Unprecedented scandal slowly but surely reveals itself to be the worst scenario YOU can imagine.

A sitting President and his party used the IRS to Intimidate innocent Americans.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

But, Obama said there is.

there is no scandal
nothing was found to be scandalous
not even a smidgen of corruption has been identified
which reality must dismay the reich wing
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Pleading the 5th proves that she lied about there being no illegal activity.

pleading the fifth is asserting her Constitutional right
but you are welcome to show us anything else which it proves
i'll wait for your 'proof'
 
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