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Mass stabbing at US school.

Interesting story image at Al Jazeera America right now:

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tres borrachos said:
Yes, 15 is a child. 18 is an adult.
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It was reported the suspect is a 19 year old sophmore. I don't think I Heard it wrong. I saw in another story the guy was 16, so I don't know who was right.
 
Kal'Stang said:
As I said earlier, when they stop then I will. :shrug: Indeed the ONLY reason that I did this time was due to the left doing it every single time a mass shooting happened.
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So you intentionally attempted to de-rail a thread about a horrific tragedy to score political points?
Kal'Stang said:
You have no clue as to whethery the are better of dead or alive.
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I do know that 20 people who are still alive is not as tragic as 20 children who were murdered. The fact you claim you are emotionally the same with children alive or dead makes me wonder just how deep the gun worship goes.

Sure you can.
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And I do.

Yeah, might be better for those that the trauma didn't happen to. But for the victims it can be worse. And the thinking absolutely that they are better off alive by those that were not the victim is just selfish.
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I find it far more selfish for people to exploit a tragedy just to score points against their political opponents.

If we're discussing what we find to be selfish.

Don't get me wrong, i'm glad as hell that there are survivors.
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At least that's something.

I hope to god that they can eventually forget what happened and live full and productive lives. But I'm also a realist. I doubt very seriously that these kids will ever get over what happened here. And I'd be surprised as hell if some suicides did not happen due to it.
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But at least it's the choice of those children. The 20 murdered children never got to make that choice.

Obviously we're not going to agree. I believe in the idea it's better for children to be alive than violently murdered. You obviously believe whatever makes it harder to argue against gun control (since you've already admitted it was your reason for posting). We both think we're doing what's right.

I'll just never understand those who care more about the gun than they do human lives. And that's the closest I intend to come to discussing gun control.
 
Kal'Stang said:
We've had several pipe bomb threats at the schools in this area this year. Some were even found. I've no doubt that something along the lines of pipe bombs being used will happen with in the next 1-2 years.
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Which is a major reason why I was willing to send my youngest son to the Philippines to finish high school - he knew several kids who were bringing guns to school.
 
Kal'Stang said:
We've had several pipe bomb threats at the schools in this area this year. Some were even found. I've no doubt that something along the lines of pipe bombs being used will happen with in the next 1-2 years.
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We had one kid busted for issuing a threat with a fake pipe bomb, still a felony but that's been it, luckily it's mainly been kids just being idiots and not the much worse alternative.
 
Kal'Stang said:
We've had several pipe bomb threats at the schools in this area this year. Some were even found. I've no doubt that something along the lines of pipe bombs being used will happen with in the next 1-2 years.
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The Columbine kids used bombs but, thankfully, none went off.
 
16 year old stabbing kids.....damn it we need tougher knife control laws. How was this kid able to purchase such deadly weapons? Was a background check done? Why not? who sold the kid these knives, we need to sue the knife manufacturer for making a device that kills children, innocent children.
We need to call for a complete ban on knives...knives are killing and wounding our children...think of the children. If you dont support banning knives then you support children dying.

Did I cover all the usual Liberal talking points? Sorry if I missed any of them.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Did you not even read post# 4 of the link I provided? You say I lied in post 15 of this thread in that I waited just as long as anti-gun advocates did before I started in with my sarcasm. I just showed you a link where anti-gun advocates did indeed start in on their own agenda in post# 4 of the link I provided. Where did I lie? Oh wait, I didn't. You have been shown that I did not lie in my post #15. Are you going to admit that you are wrong or continue with your accusations?
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Of course I read post #4. It certainly was not a post in support of gun control, so you are simply lying again.
 
Imnukingfutz said:
16 year old stabbing kids.....damn it we need tougher knife control laws. How was this kid able to purchase such deadly weapons? Was a background check done? Why not? who sold the kid these knives, we need to sue the knife manufacturer for making a device that kills children, innocent children.
We need to call for a complete ban on knives...knives are killing and wounding our children...think of the children. If you dont support banning knives then you support children dying.

Did I cover all the usual Liberal talking points? Sorry if I missed any of them.
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You missed the "gun nuts" and "zealots" identifications, but otherwise you did a good job.
 
Slyfox696 said:
So you intentionally attempted to de-rail a thread about a horrific tragedy to score political points?
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You need to learn the difference between making a valid point vs de-railing a thread. Particularly when it comes to a debate site like DebatePolitics.com. The very name of the forum should give you a clue as to the kind of posting style that is going to be focused on.

Slyfox696 said:
I'll just never understand those who care more about the gun than they do human lives. And that's the closest I intend to come to discussing gun control.
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Incorrect statement since being pro-gun is specifically about the right to defend one self with guns. IE valuing human lives. Indeed more lives are saved due to gun use than those lives taken by gun use.
 
Kreton said:
People can debate anything and can phrase anything. Thats a pretty weak argument.
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Apparently you missed the point. The very fact that there are people that want assistance in committing suicide is evidence that life is not always better than death. The very fact that people commit suicide is evidence that not everyone believes that life is preferable to death.

IE just because you think that life is always preferable does not make it absolutely true.
 
We need to get all these knives off the streets. Knife control now!!

Come to think of it, it wouldn't hurt getting the spoons and forks off the streets too. :mrgreen:
 
SMTA said:
Ironically my daughter and I were just talking the other night about the potential of some copycat moron parroting The Following or Criminal Minds.

Nuts.
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The entire Law & Order franchise has made a fortune doing the same. "Ripped from the headlines...."
 
danarhea said:
We need to get all these knives off the streets. Knife control now!!

Come to think of it, it wouldn't hurt getting the spoons and forks off the streets too. :mrgreen:
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There you go! Solve the violence issue and the obesity issue in one fell swoop:lamo
 
Kal'Stang said:
As I said earlier, when they stop then I will. :shrug: Indeed the ONLY reason that I did this time was due to the left doing it every single time a mass shooting happened.
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Cool...you continue to demonstrate a similar mentality to a 3rd grader at recess going "I know you are but what am I" and I'll continue to show indignation towards people who from moment one of a tragedy attempt to manipulate and exploit the harm and death of children for the sake of their pathetic devotion to a political agenda regardless of their side. Whatever excuse you wish to tell yourself to convince yourself, wrongly, that you're any different than those on "the left" doing it "every single time a mass shooting happened" is up to you. And if you want to delude yourself into believing that makes you different, more power to you. If you want to think anyone else is buying your excuse as anything OTHER than an excuse, then you're going to need to create another lie in your head for you to believe.

These events are horrible, and there's absolutely discussions to be had on a multitude of issues in their wake...AND there's even plenty to talk about regarding thet REACTIONS people have to these horrible events in their wake as well. However, the pathetic slobbering need demonstrated by some on both the left and the right to attempt to strike when the emotional iron is hot and when people are at their lowest point of logical thinking due to that emotion is just disgusting in my mind. Not only is it disgusting, but it removes any legitimate ability to have reasonable, adult, logical conversations about the issues that may relate to this because before you get to a point where such is possible you already have both sides acting like monkey's in a zoo flinging poop at each other. Why? Becuase both sides have folks who can't contain the excitement of seeing some kids die so they can take up the battle flag for their particular side in this war and rush off to sling their sarcastic quips and stereotypes talking points.

The reality is, in many of these threads, sadly it's a coin flip as to which side is going to explode in macabre glee over the fact that they get to push their agenda. Neither side holds the higher ground on this, which is just a microcosm for the sickness that permeates our culture these days. I feel for these kids, as I did for many of the past victims of these mass forms of violence. Not only for the attrocity perpetrated against them today, but for the raping of their tragedy that people like you and others do in the name of your no-holds-barred devotion to a political agenda.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Apparently you missed the point. The very fact that there are people that want assistance in committing suicide is evidence that life is not always better than death. The very fact that people commit suicide is evidence that not everyone believes that life is preferable to death.

IE just because you think that life is always preferable does not make it absolutely true.
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Or perhaps you are just wrong.
 
LaMidRighter said:
That has been my theory since the 90s. There weren't a whole lot of high profile mass murders until about them, or at least they weren't widely reported, then Pearl Mississippi, Columbine, and a few others I can't remember at the moment started to pop up. Then another lull, a few here and there but nothing like the previous decade, and the last couple of years another spike. I think reporting on these issues(sad, but ultimately local issues) in the national media does have a bit of a copycat effect, notoriety is better than nothing to some people with severe mental deficits, I have read a theory that a lot of the people who do this have severe issues with narcissism along with sociopathic tendencies.

My first thought because it was urban was a potential gang hit.
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Could be, but usually gang hits are hit and run, targeting specific individuals. This appeared to be more of a mass attack motivated by rage.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Could be, but usually gang hits are hit and run, targeting specific individuals. This appeared to be more of a mass attack motivated by rage.
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Yeah, there are at least three major reasons this could have happened from psychological, to gang activity, to a rage incident and I'm sure it will come out in the next few months.
 
Zyphlin said:
Cool...you continue to demonstrate a similar mentality to a 3rd grader at recess going "I know you are but what am I" and I'll continue to show indignation towards people who from moment one of a tragedy attempt to manipulate and exploit the harm and death of children for the sake of their pathetic devotion to a political agenda regardless of their side. Whatever excuse you wish to tell yourself to convince yourself, wrongly, that you're any different than those on "the left" doing it "every single time a mass shooting happened" is up to you. And if you want to delude yourself into believing that makes you different, more power to you. If you want to think anyone else is buying your excuse as anything OTHER than an excuse, then you're going to need to create another lie in your head for you to believe.

These events are horrible, and there's absolutely discussions to be had on a multitude of issues in their wake...AND there's even plenty to talk about regarding thet REACTIONS people have to these horrible events in their wake as well. However, the pathetic slobbering need demonstrated by some on both the left and the right to attempt to strike when the emotional iron is hot and when people are at their lowest point of logical thinking due to that emotion is just disgusting in my mind. Not only is it disgusting, but it removes any legitimate ability to have reasonable, adult, logical conversations about the issues that may relate to this because before you get to a point where such is possible you already have both sides acting like monkey's in a zoo flinging poop at each other. Why? Becuase both sides have folks who can't contain the excitement of seeing some kids die so they can take up the battle flag for their particular side in this war and rush off to sling their sarcastic quips and stereotypes talking points.

The reality is, in many of these threads, sadly it's a coin flip as to which side is going to explode in macabre glee over the fact that they get to push their agenda. Neither side holds the higher ground on this, which is just a microcosm for the sickness that permeates our culture these days. I feel for these kids, as I did for many of the past victims of these mass forms of violence. Not only for the attrocity perpetrated against them today, but for the raping of their tragedy that people like you and others do in the name of your no-holds-barred devotion to a political agenda.
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Sorry that I don't have as strong a reaction to what happened as you do. :shrug: I may feel sorry for the victims, but I'm not going to devote an entire thread on a debate site to nothing but "OMG I FEEL SOOO SORRY FOR THEM!". There is no [R.I.P.] tag on the title of this thread. As such it is quite valid of me and others to talk about the political side of this and focus on that. Whether you consider the tactics used childish or not is really irrelevent. I set out to make a point. I have made it. Whether others acknowledge that point or not is relevent, at least to me. Maybe, the next mass shooting that happens the left will not continue to blame an object. I won't hold my breath. But I can hope. Maybe then the discussion can actually advance.
 
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