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Mass stabbing at US school.

Yes, jumping in wanting to protect children from similar incidents, not mocking those who want to protect children from similar incidents. You really want to draw that contrast between you and me? I welcome it.

I have no problem wanting to protect children from similiar incidents. Do it the right way however and such sarcasm as I used would not be needed. Stop blaming objects and focus on the underlying problems. The left likes to blame guns every single time that a mass shooting happens. That does not address the underlying problem and will no more protect kids than a knife ban will.
 
A reasonable person should recognise that behaviour as being inappropriate and not lower themselves to the same standards.

"Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"

―Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Some times you have to stoop to their level in order for them to understand their own foolishness. Once they recognize their foolishness then the discussion can advance.
 
Absolutely. The root of this horrific crime is a disturbed teenager, just like the root of Newtown was a disturbed young adult. The weapons of choice were irrelevant.

Is it just me, or are we starting to see more and more crimes being committed by young people who are supposed to be worrying about acne and passing the 9th grade?

I'm not sure whether it is more common, or just more widely reported. Perhaps it is a bit of both. It could be that the wide reporting encourages other unstable people do copycat.

There could be a correlation with the over 40% of births outside of marriage, too. Raising kids alone was never easy, and the irresponsible are likely to do an even poorer job of it than are the divorced and widowed. Has anyone looked into the number of youthful killers who were raised in stable two parent families?
 
I'm surprised nobody overtook him sooner?!
That was my first thought as well. Had this happened when I was in school, the guy would have been buried under a pile of pissed off students beating the living crap out of him. It's time we started including basic self-defense as part of the required school curriculum. I'm not talking about creating a bunch of "Cobra Kai" types, but rather a basic understanding of how to avoid being victim of a physical assault.
 
So much for zero tolerance having an effect. :roll:

Instead of school officials doing dumb things like suspending students for pointing fingers like imaginary guns why dont they find ways of stopping people bringing actual weapons to school?
 
Yes you are and it is pathetic.

Show me one single post that I made where I mocked the situation in the OP. I've certainly mocked anti-gun advocates stance on banning objects. But I have not ONCE mocked the situation in the OP.
 
Geezus H. Christ, those kids were 14-17 years old - the same age range as 2 of my sons.

What in the name of God would prompt a child to do something like this?

Two words: media sensationalization.
 
I'm surprised nobody overtook him sooner?!
I actually am not unfortunately. I'm seeing patterns of people being less and less independent and unfortunately if we keep up the mentality that "someone else will deal with it" then bad actors will further be enabled to do stuff like this. A few years back there was a story of fully grown college students freezing in terror while a male student stabbed a co-ed to death in the cafeteria, none of them knew what to do or took the initiative to stop him and said they were "afraid". I just can't fathom that kind of response but apparently it is real.
 
Unfortunately this is the natural extent of the fact that Americans have ZERO concept of what Security is in pretty much ANY Public area or building.
 
Geezus H. Christ, those kids were 14-17 years old - the same age range as 2 of my sons.

What in the name of God would prompt a child to do something like this?
That seems to be the million dollar question in every one of these. I don't know if it's just mental health, psychotropic drugs, or even if this was a gang issue. I have heard there are areas of Pittsburgh and Philly that the gangs pretty much own so my question is if this was a bullied kid, a kid with severe mental health issues, or if the gangs wanted to use a kid to make a statement with something like this knowing that he had a chance to be released with records sealed after 21.
 
I actually am not unfortunately. I'm seeing patterns of people being less and less independent and unfortunately if we keep up the mentality that "someone else will deal with it" then bad actors will further be enabled to do stuff like this. A few years back there was a story of fully grown college students freezing in terror while a male student stabbed a co-ed to death in the cafeteria, none of them knew what to do or took the initiative to stop him and said they were "afraid". I just can't fathom that kind of response but apparently it is real.

"Shelter in place" also having negative results?
 
Knives are banned already, I would think. I'm starting to think these people had zero respect for the law....
Knife bans are typically even more complicated than gun laws. In my state there are so many laws, blade length cannot exceed 4" and double sided blades are not legal for concealment, then a lot of non-knife and gun weapons like slap-jacks and brass knuckles are banned. Any time I consider something for street defense I am going to law sites, like a collapsible baton, I am currently trying to figure out the legality of that.
 
"Shelter in place" also having negative results?
Yeah, it's pretty empowering to an attacker when there is no response to their actions, simple logic would dictate that a person will escalate their aggression until some form of force limits them.
 
Knife bans are typically even more complicated than gun laws. In my state there are so many laws, blade length cannot exceed 4" and double sided blades are not legal for concealment, then a lot of non-knife and gun weapons like slap-jacks and brass knuckles are banned. Any time I consider something for street defense I am going to law sites, like a collapsible baton, I am currently trying to figure out the legality of that.

One thing I find interesting is the fact that form what I have read Canada is more liberal on things like knifes and other weapons than most of the U.S., batons and nightsticks are legal here as long as they are open carried, I believe the same goes for bladed weapons longer than 5".
 
It is a bit disgusting to watch the Gun-H0 crowd use a tragedy like this to push an agenda....almost sickening.
 
Wishing nothing but the best for all the victims.
 
Yeah, it's pretty empowering to an attacker when there is no response to their actions, simple logic would dictate that a person will escalate their aggression until some form of force limits them.

It is a wise choice for some to shelter but as a general policy, my opinion is it's bad idea. First responders should be some one already in the immediate area not SWAT who has to mobilize first.
 
Only because the weapon of choice wasn't a gun. You know damn well that had it been a gun, the anti-gunners would be all over this thread like stink on ****.

Ah,so it is perfectly acceptable for liars to tell lies about what happened because they imagine it COULD have happened.



Got it.
 
It is a bit disgusting to watch the Gun-H0 crowd use a tragedy like this to push an agenda....almost sickening.

And it is JUST as disgusting when the anti-gun-H0 crowd uses a similiar tragedy to push their own agenda. Once they stop doing that then I will certainly stop also. Maybe then we can actually address the actual underlying problem.
 
Only because the weapon of choice wasn't a gun. You know damn well that had it been a gun, the anti-gunners would be all over this thread like stink on ****.

Ah,so it is perfectly acceptable for liars to tell lies about what happened because they imagine it COULD have happened.

Got it.
 
It is a bit disgusting to watch the Gun-H0 crowd use a tragedy like this to push an agenda....almost sickening.

Yes,it is sickening, especially the way they are prepared to tell bald-faced lies to justify their disgustingly opportunistic and cynical behavior.
 
I'm not sure whether it is more common, or just more widely reported. Perhaps it is a bit of both. It could be that the wide reporting encourages other unstable people do copycat.
That has been my theory since the 90s. There weren't a whole lot of high profile mass murders until about them, or at least they weren't widely reported, then Pearl Mississippi, Columbine, and a few others I can't remember at the moment started to pop up. Then another lull, a few here and there but nothing like the previous decade, and the last couple of years another spike. I think reporting on these issues(sad, but ultimately local issues) in the national media does have a bit of a copycat effect, notoriety is better than nothing to some people with severe mental deficits, I have read a theory that a lot of the people who do this have severe issues with narcissism along with sociopathic tendencies.

There could be a correlation with the over 40% of births outside of marriage, too. Raising kids alone was never easy, and the irresponsible are likely to do an even poorer job of it than are the divorced and widowed. Has anyone looked into the number of youthful killers who were raised in stable two parent families?
My first thought because it was urban was a potential gang hit.
 
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