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Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

danielpalos said:
Yes, that is why I specified, a form of minimum wage, simply to counter that diversion.

it helps if you understand the concepts, so you don't need to resort to diversion.
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There was no diversion.

That is my understanding of the term "minimum wage".

If you're using a DIFFERENT definition, please explain it.
 
danielpalos said:
That is the definition as well since it is more cost effective and I subscribe to supply side economics supplying us with better governance at lower cost.
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I wanted your definition of "simple poverty".

You gave me the cause of "simple poverty.

cause =/= definition
 
danielpalos said:
Yes, it would be a form of minimum wage for market based price information purposes.
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That's not a definition. You can't define something with itself.
 
It is a definition. Why do you believe it isn't? Or do you prefer diversion to actually discovering sublime Truth (value) through argumentation.

They are one and the same for the purposes of our discussion.

It would be a form of minimum wage for market based price information purposes. In that easy And convenient manner, labor should be better able to employ rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism and our Institution of money based markets.
 
danielpalos said:
It is a definition. Why do you believe it isn't? Or do you prefer diversion to actually discovering sublime Truth (value) through argumentation.

They are one and the same for the purposes of our discussion.

It would be a form of minimum wage for market based price information purposes. In that easy And convenient manner, labor should be better able to employ rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism and our Institution of money based markets.
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You can't explain what you are using as the definition of minimum wage by saying "it's a form of minimum wage".

That explains nothing.

You can't define something by itself. Or at least, if you do, it's a meaningless waste of words.
 
The Mark said:
You can't explain what you are using as the definition of minimum wage by saying "it's a form of minimum wage".

That explains nothing.

You can't define something by itself. Or at least, if you do, it's a meaningless waste of words.
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Why do you have a problem with a form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State in our republic. Let's assume it clears our poverty guidelines so we get two birds with one stone, in order for supply side economics to supply us with better governance at lower cost.
 
danielpalos said:
Why do you have a problem with a form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State in our republic. Let's assume it clears our poverty guidelines so we get two birds with one stone, in order for supply side economics to supply us with better governance at lower cost.
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I don't.

Or rather, I don't know whether I do or do not have a problem with it, since you still have not explained what it is.


Edit: You're describing what it's effects are without explaining how it CREATES those effects.
 
The Mark said:
I don't.

Or rather, I don't know whether I do or do not have a problem with it, since you still have not explained what it is.


Edit: You're describing what it's effects are without explaining how it CREATES those effects.
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We are solving for poverty when due to a simple lack of income from gainful employment. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State in our republic. Any questions?
 
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danielpalos said:
We are solving for poverty when due to a simple lack of income from gainful employment. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State in our republic. Any questions?
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Everything.

Seriously...I have no idea what message you're trying to convey here. The words are all jumbled around and conflicting.

I want to know how you define "simple poverty" and "minimum wage (or at least, what precisely you mean by "a form of minimum wage")"
 
The Mark said:
Seriously...I have no idea what message you're trying to convey here. The words are all jumbled around and conflicting.
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It seems more like diversion.

We are solving for poverty when due to a simple lack of income from gainful employment; simple poverty.
 
danielpalos said:
It seems more like diversion.

We are solving for poverty when due to a simple lack of income from gainful employment; simple poverty.
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How can you expect me to respond to your argument when you haven't explained it yet?

Again, you're outlining cause rather than defining the term.
 
The Mark said:
How can you expect me to respond to your argument when you haven't explained it yet?

Again, you're outlining cause rather than defining the term.
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Yes, that is the simple definition I am using to work with a simple concept.

We are solving for poverty when due to a simple lack of income from gainful employment; simple poverty.

Why do you believe you are relevant through diversion when requesting more than simplicity itself?
 
danielpalos said:
A form of minimum wage would substitute for our current regime of minimum wage; but, through unemployment compensation that could clear our poverty guidelines.
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So when you say "a form of minimum wage" you mean replacing min wage laws with unemployment compensation that "could clear our poverty guidelines".

What do you mean by "our poverty guidelines"?
 
The Mark said:
So when you say "a form of minimum wage" you mean replacing min wage laws with unemployment compensation that "could clear our poverty guidelines".

What do you mean by "our poverty guidelines"?
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Our poverty guidelines are the Standard of weights and measures that define poverty in our republic. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm
 
danielpalos said:
Our poverty guidelines are the Standard of weights and measures that define poverty in our republic. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm
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Ah, excellent.

So how does your proposed unemployment compensation replacement for min wage laws "clear our poverty guidelines"?

And what exactly do you mean by "clear"? "Rise above"?

If I'm grasping your intent here, you are suggesting:

Replacement or augmentation of current min wage/unemployment systems with an unemployment compensation system that (in at-will employment states) provides unemployment compensation which clears the poverty guidelines.

As an example, were I unemployed in my state, I would get at least $11,670/year from your proposed idea.

Hell I couldn't make ends meet with that. I have housing payments, car payments, student loan payments, insurance payments, etc.
 
The Mark said:
Ah, excellent.

So how does your proposed unemployment compensation replacement for min wage laws "clear our poverty guidelines"?

And what exactly do you mean by "clear"? "Rise above"?

If I'm grasping your intent here, you are suggesting:

Replacement or augmentation of current min wage/unemployment systems with an unemployment compensation system that (in at-will employment states) provides unemployment compensation which clears the poverty guidelines.

As an example, were I unemployed in my state, I would get at least $11,670/year from your proposed idea.

Hell I couldn't make ends meet with that. I have housing payments, car payments, student loan payments, insurance payments, etc.
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It could be done through Individual Liberty on an at-will basis.

In any case, a form of minimum wage that compensates for a lack of gainful employment could solve that form of poverty and leave Persons with no excuse for staying poor on an at-will basis.
 
danielpalos said:
It could be done through Individual Liberty on an at-will basis.

In any case, a form of minimum wage that compensates for a lack of gainful employment could solve that form of poverty and leave Persons with no excuse for staying poor on an at-will basis.
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How does your proposed solution go about eliminating this "lack of gainful employment"?

And so far as I know, no one stays poor at will unless they get some form of unemployment or welfare - otherwise they'd soon be homeless and starving.
 
The Mark said:
How does your proposed solution go about eliminating this "lack of gainful employment"?

And so far as I know, no one stays poor at will unless they get some form of unemployment or welfare - otherwise they'd soon be homeless and starving.
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Unemployment compensation.

People stay poor on an at-will basis all the time. It is only official poverty that we need to solve as a civil form of obligation.
 
danielpalos said:
Unemployment compensation.
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So, effectively, if you're unemployed, under your proposal you are guaranteed unemployment compensation? If not, what limits do you propose?

danielpalos said:
People stay poor on an at-will basis all the time. It is only official poverty that we need to solve as a civil form of obligation.
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They do? Without any form of welfare? We are using your previous "poverty guideline" link as baseline here, right?

So some single guy/gal out there is willingly living on less than $11,670/year while at the same time not collecting any welfare, unemployment compensation, food stamps, etc, etc, and so forth?
 
danielpalos said:
A form of minimum wage would substitute for our current regime of minimum wage; but, through unemployment compensation that could clear our poverty guidelines.
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So then, at the lower income strata, who would work?
 
danielpalos said:
Yes, a form of minimum wage is a market based metric under any form of Capitalism.
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At first glance your statement makes no sense.

If I'm translating correctly, however, I suspect you're confirming my statement as an accurate summation of your position.

Am I correct?
 
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