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Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

If I understand correctly, you're proposing that anyone who is unemployed (undefined term) should be compensated for such. Not sure how minimum wage fits in there, since if they aren't working, by definition they have no wage, and min wage laws do not apply.

Unless you're saying that the minimum allowable wage should be a required amount of money for every single person to have, and thus they must be paid min wage even if they aren't working?

What part of, a form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State do you find difficult to understand?
 
What part of, a form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State do you find difficult to understand?
I just explained what my understanding of your phrase is.

You tell me what I don't understand, if you can.
 
I just explained what my understanding of your phrase is.

You tell me what I don't understand, if you can.
It just seems like you prefer diversion to actually discovering sublime Truth (value) through argumentation.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.
 
It just seems like you prefer diversion to actually discovering sublime Truth (value) through argumentation.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.
What on earth are you talking about? If anyone here is diverting, it's you with your constant repetitious statements. Rather than address responses, you divert back to your original statement.

And that's not a simplification, it's the same statement.

I presented you with my take on that line. Is it accurate?
 
What on earth are you talking about? If anyone here is diverting, it's you with your constant repetitious statements. Rather than address responses, you divert back to your original statement.

And that's not a simplification, it's the same statement.

I presented you with my take on that line. Is it accurate?


I believe you really do prefer diversion to discovering sublime Truth (value) since you don't have a valid argument to continue this discussion.
 
I believe you really do prefer diversion to discovering sublime Truth (value) since you don't have a valid argument to continue this discussion.
I don't even know what your position is yet, after how many posts?

I can't argue for or against something if I don't know what it is/means.
 
That seems disingenuous since we are dealing with politics; not just hard facts; potentially due to a simple poverty of the moral of "goodwill toward men".
Much "news" these days is actually commentary.

News is simply reporting an event, without commentary.
 
I don't even know what your position is yet, after how many posts?

I can't argue for or against something if I don't know what it is/means.

I gave you a starting point.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.

All you seem to have is diversion.
 
Much "news" these days is actually commentary.

News is simply reporting an event, without commentary.

So, how does that work for the Electorate of the United States?

The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
 
monthly jobs report. rage or rejoice.

Straight from the LA Times central committee. Yea I'll take that to the bank...if I can find one that hasn't shut down yet. Here in southern Colorado, the unemployment rate hovers around 18%. The closest town to my ranch is Monte Vista. At least half the businesses there have shut their doors through this never-ending recession. Many were iconic. The Ford dealership that closed was more than 100 years old. So was the furniture store that closed in 2011. It'd been in business for 105 years. The Radio Shack had been around for 50 years. It closed in 2013. And there are dozens of other businesses that've tanked besides those. Monte Vista is starting to look like a ghost town.
 
I gave you a starting point.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.

All you seem to have is diversion.

I already responded to that.

You dismissed my response as a diversion, which was incorrect.
 
Straight from the LA Times central committee. Yea I'll take that to the bank...if I can find one that hasn't shut down yet. Here in southern Colorado, the unemployment rate hovers around 18%. The closest town to my ranch is Monte Vista. At least half the businesses there have shut their doors through this never-ending recession. Many were iconic. The Ford dealership that closed was more than 100 years old. So was the furniture store that closed in 2011. It'd been in business for 105 years. The Radio Shack had been around for 50 years. It closed in 2013. And there are dozens of other businesses that've tanked besides those. Monte Vista is starting to look like a ghost town.

Similar stuff around here; started well before the economic crash. It sucks.
 
I already responded to that.

You dismissed my response as a diversion, which was incorrect.

Can you re-state your position, it didn't seem very clear or concise.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.
 
Can you re-state your position, it didn't seem very clear or concise.

Here is a simplification. A form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed on an at-will basis. I hope this is easier.
I said I responded.

My response was intended as a request for clarification:
If I understand correctly, you're proposing that anyone who is unemployed (undefined term) should be compensated for such. Not sure how minimum wage fits in there, since if they aren't working, by definition they have no wage, and min wage laws do not apply.

Unless you're saying that the minimum allowable wage should be a required amount of money for every single person to have, and thus they must be paid min wage even if they aren't working?
 
I said I responded.

My response was intended as a request for clarification:

I am saying that we could solve simple poverty at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage and that form of market based metric under our form of Capitalism, by using the Socialism of the existing law, to bail it out.
 
I am saying that we could solve simple poverty at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage and that form of market based metric under our form of Capitalism, by using the Socialism of the existing law, to bail it out.
Please clarify what you mean by the following phrases: "simple poverty", "a form of minimum wage", and "and that form of market based metric".
 
Please clarify what you mean by the following phrases: "simple poverty", "a form of minimum wage", and "and that form of market based metric".

Ok. In the context of our discussion, which subscribes to the concept of employment at will; simple poverty is due to a lack of income that would otherwise be obtained in a more efficient market for labor operating at full employment.

I use the term, minimum wage, to distinguish from a maximum wage, a median wage, and even an efficiency wage; for market based metrics and any subscription to rational choice (theory) under our form of Capitalism; the market based metric portion of the concept must be self-evident under any form of Capitalism but not truer forms of Socialism.
 
Ok. In the context of our discussion, which subscribes to the concept of employment at will; simple poverty is due to a lack of income that would otherwise be obtained in a more efficient market for labor operating at full employment.
Any form of poverty is due to lack of income.

What is your definition of "simple poverty". As in, what living conditions do you consider "simple poverty", what income level, if any, etc.

I use the term, minimum wage, to distinguish from a maximum wage, a median wage, and even an efficiency wage;
"Minimum wage" is the state-mandated minimum wage for any job. As I understand it.

Do you mean something else?

for market based metrics and any subscription to rational choice (theory) under our form of Capitalism; the market based metric portion of the concept must be self-evident under any form of Capitalism but not truer forms of Socialism.
I have no idea what you just said.
 
Any form of poverty is due to lack of income.

What is your definition of "simple poverty". As in, what living conditions do you consider "simple poverty", what income level, if any, etc.

simple poverty is due to a lack of income that would otherwise be obtained in a more efficient market for labor operating at full employment; a form of minimum wage could be used to simply compete with the private sector for labor by utilizing that form of metric in our market based economy.
 
"Minimum wage" is the state-mandated minimum wage for any job. As I understand it.

Do you mean something else?

I have no idea what you just said.

Yes, that is why I specified, a form of minimum wage, simply to counter that diversion.

it helps if you understand the concepts, so you don't need to resort to diversion.
 
simple poverty is due to a lack of income that would otherwise be obtained in a more efficient market for labor operating at full employment; a form of minimum wage could be used to simply compete with the private sector for labor by utilizing that form of metric in our market based economy.
That's the cause.

I wanted your definition.
 
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