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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

this is absolutely true, I do not have bumper stickers that I would prefer to have on my vehicle because of the reactions from conservative southerners I would get, some of which could be detrimental to my livelihood (as had happened to a friend of mine)

The divisive rhetoric is alive and well, and apparently working! We don't all have to agree on everything all the time, which would make us robots, but those making a judgment on a person's ability to earn a living based on a bumper sticker is :bs: ! "If you don't agree with me, you won't work for me?" Is it really that bad out there?

Greetings, Tacomancer. :2wave:
 
1.)The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.

wrong since one donated and others didnt. THose would in FACT be different standards.

thanks for proving me right and your post factually wrong . . . AGAIN
 
I love that free speech bothers people only when they dont agree with it

and the question a couple people keep running from because nobody can answer it

what is the solution?

very telling nobody showed any integrity and answered that, they only want free speech to be in place when it suits them

west boro has free speech just like us all, you may not like it but its the only way it works :)[/QUOTE

Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
That is it. There is no workplace issue here.

There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
That isn't exercising their free speech.
 
1.) well then you should be fine with this because nobody acted against the rights of others
2.) meanignless to the topic but that nice that you support equal rights
3.) i only referred to it the last 3-4 posts lol

and all you should have heard is laughing but that further explains why your posts are failing. The debate you are having in your head and anything i am actually saying is different.

go back a couple posts youll find them

You seem very interested in my view of your "stance." Sorry, but I have not been able to make out your stance except for your defense of free speech. To that the only possible response is: so what? Everyone is in favor of free speech. And no one on any side did anything illegal. The issue is decency. A man took private action to support a cause in which he believed and as a result was hounded out of his livelihood. I agree with Andrew Sullivan. Those who did this are no better than the old gay bashers of the religious right.:peace
 
The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.

You're basically claiming the entire "left" wanted Eich fired, which is yet another partisan lie.
 
no complaint lol please stop making stuff up it donest help your failed arguments

im fine with him using his free speech just like i am with others using thier also, thats the fact you leave out

some only one the CEO to have free speech and nobody else, not me
your post fails again and facts win again

hopefully you caught up to the curve now

Of course the supporters of gay marriage have free speech. As does Eich.

However, Eich did not bring his opinion on the subject into the workplace. The opponents did. And they sought to shut him up.
Sorry-- that is not free speech.
 
The divisive rhetoric is alive and well, and apparently working! We don't all have to agree on everything all the time, which would make us robots, but those making a judgment on a person's ability to earn a living based on a bumper sticker is :bs: ! "If you don't agree with me, you won't work for me?" Is it really that bad out there?

Greetings, Tacomancer. :2wave:

It can be, the last facility hr manager was a kingdom builder and that's how she ran things through her politicking. (the actual facility manager was pretty much holed up in his office 24/7 and had no idea what was going on)

This isn't normal, but I took a lesson in being a professional because of it and am intentionally a bit vanilla at work due to watching that and some other incidents, plus my general work ethic.

However, the actions at work wasn't my point. My point is that this is simply the way the world works despite some people's wish that free speech only be used a certain way. The truth is that any freedom is a double edged sword and if its one thing we know from politics, its that if its possible and legal (or even if it isn't but can be gotten away with) its going to happen. At some point, people need to account for this, man the **** up, and accept that their actions have may have unexpected consequences. Because whether some condition is someone's fault or not, until they take responsibility and fix it themselves, the condition will remain broken. People are doing entirely too much whining.

Hi Polgara. :)
 
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Do they? That must have been your experience but I've never heard of that from anyone I know.

Perhaps, because the media doesn't flash it all over the news like this one case. It does happen.

"Bosses and those who work under them are not equal when it comes to free-speech legal claims. Employers have the right to take action against any employee who engages in political speech that company leaders find offensive. With a few narrow exceptions the Constitution and the federal laws derived from it only protect a person’s right to expression from government interference, not from the restrictions a private employer may impose, lawyers say.

Employers are not similarly restricted in expressing their political views or encouraging support for a particular candidate or cause. Not only can employers remind employees of the upcoming election and encourage them to vote, but they can base continued employment on whether a worker agrees to contribute money or time to the boss’s favorite political candidate, so long as there’s no state law prohibiting it. (Eight states and the District of Columbia have laws protecting employees from such mandates.)" Where Free Speech Goes to Die: The Workplace - Businessweek
 
wrong since one donated and others didnt. THose would in FACT be different standards.

thanks for proving me right and your post factually wrong . . . AGAIN
A man quietly donating to a cause he believed in versus two Democrat politicians who went on the record publically claiming DOMA was a good thing (Hillary) and Obama and Hillary both defining marriage between a man and a woman to the public is somehow dismissed by you as nothing???? Yeah right. The truth be told what Obama and Hillary did should be deemed by the left as far worse but somehow they get a pass and a 4 f-ing year old donation done in private trumps that. Absolutely asinine to the umpteenth degree and so disingenuous that is beyond the pale.
 
1.)Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
2.)That is it. There is no workplace issue here.
3.)There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
4.) Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
5.) Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
6.) That isn't exercising their free speech.

1.) 100% correct he does have that right
2.) this is just your opinion and not fact
3.) translation: disallow them free speech
4.) 100% false you want to infringe on the employees free speech YOU JUST SAID SO ABOVE lol
5.) yes employees and customers practiced their free speech, a right they have that you want to take away
6.) 100% false

thank you for proving you dont want free speech and your post might also show you dont even know what it is.

anybody else have a solution besides taking free speech away and denying people rights
 
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One of this column's various mandates is to keep track of people who get fired from their jobs solely for holding certain political beliefs. Firing a person because you don't like his or her politics runs contrary to just about everything this country stands for, but it is not against the law. My interest in this topic was stimulated a couple of years ago when I learned that my childhood friend Michael Italie, who sewed U.S. Navy jackets for Goodwill Industries in Miami, got fired for appearing on television as the mayoral candidate for the Socialist Workers Party, in which capacity he made some predictably provocative statements. Subsequently, I wrote about Bryan Keefer, who lost his job as a research assistant with the Service Employees International Union for writing an online column critical of the coinage, "Enron conservatives." In both of these examples, the extracurricular activities that caused offense were entirely unrelated to the fired person's job and were not performed, or even discussed, in the workplace.

The same is true of Lynne Gobbell of Moulton, Ala., who on Sept. 9 was fired from her job at Enviromate, a company that makes housing insulation, for driving to work with a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker in the rear windshield of her Chevy Lumina. The person who did the firing was Phil Geddes, who owns the company and is an enthusiastic Bush supporter. (Although Gobbell hasn't done any proselytizing for Kerry at Enviromate, Geddes distributed a flyer to all Enviromate employees explaining why they should vote for Bush.) The insubordinate bumper sticker.
 
You seem very interested in my view of your "stance." Sorry, but I have not been able to make out your stance except for your defense of free speech. To that the only possible response is: so what? Everyone is in favor of free speech. And no one on any side did anything illegal. The issue is decency. A man took private action to support a cause in which he believed and as a result was hounded out of his livelihood. I agree with Andrew Sullivan. Those who did this are no better than the old gay bashers of the religious right.:peace

BOOM!

and there you have it and this is why your posts failed so quickly. You were trying to argue things that i never said and you just admitted you dont even know my stance. thanks for proving me right

you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but thats the real thing that doesnt matter.

nothing illegal happened and everybody practiced their rights

west boro isnt decent IMO but i would NEVER infringe on their rights
 
1.)Of course the supporters of gay marriage have free speech. As does Eich.
2.)However, Eich did not bring his opinion on the subject into the workplace.
3.) The opponents did. And they sought to shut him up.
4.) Sorry-- that is not free speech.

1.) 100% correct
2.) meaningless to rights and free speech
3.) 100% false they cant shut him up they have no right to nor did they he is still free to say what he wants
4.) no need to apologize for being wrong it is free speech because what you are making up didnt happen
 
You're basically claiming the entire "left" wanted Eich fired, which is yet another partisan lie.
No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goal
 
No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goal

He wasn't "forced out."
 
BOOM!

and there you have it and this is why your posts failed so quickly. You were trying to argue things that i never said and you just admitted you dont even know my stance. thanks for proving me right

you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but thats the real thing that doesnt matter.

nothing illegal happened and everybody practiced their rights

west boro isnt decent IMO but i would NEVER infringe on their rights

Hmm. I have no idea who or what is "west boro" but it's important to you. Why in the world would I be interested in your "stance?' I was not aware there was a right or wrong in this discussion. This issue has always been about decency, not rights. You may not have understood that.:peace
 
It can be, the last facility hr manager was a kingdom builder and that's how she ran things through her politicking. (the actual facility manager was pretty much holed up in his office 24/7 and had no idea what was going on)

This isn't normal, but I took a lesson in being a professional because of it and am intentionally a bit vanilla at work due to watching that and some other incidents, plus my general work ethic.

However, the actions at work wasn't my point. My point is that this is simply the way the world works despite some people's wish that free speech only be used a certain way. The truth is that any freedom is a double edged sword and if its one thing we know from politics, its that if its possible and legal (or even if it isn't but can be gotten away with) its going to happen.

Hi Polgara. :)

True that! When I have workers come to my house to fix something, I don't care how they vote! These days, it's probably smarter to keep your thoughts to yourself anyway! Whoever said "Never discuss religion, politics or sex" was right on! Well, except for DP! That's 99 percent of what we discuss here! A healthy outlet just for us! :lamo:
 
True that! When I have workers come to my house to fix something, I don't care how they vote! These days, it's probably smarter to keep your thoughts to yourself anyway! Whoever said "Never discuss religion, politics or sex" was right on! Well, except for DP! That's 99 percent of what we discuss here! A healthy outlet just for us! :lamo:

Heck, I hardly even discuss religion and politics with my friends, even though we all pretty much see it eye to eye.

I mostly come here to observe and try to learn about human nature. Mostly when I participate, I am often probing someone to see their reactions to try to get a sense of their point of view and why that point of view exists.
 
1.)Hmm. I have no idea who or what is "west boro" but it's important to you.
2.)Why in the world would I be interested in your "stance?'
3.) I was not aware there was a right or wrong in this discussion.
4.) This issue has always been about decency, not rights.
5.) You may not have understood that.:peace

1.) another illogical assumption, nope not important to me just an example of how free speech works for everyone. THey are a hate group.
2.) so when you try to debate my stance your posts dont instantly fail, get destroyed and make no sense like they did.
3.) depends on which part you want to talk about
4.) wrong lol many people including YOU Mentioned rights
5.) yes i understand your back pedal fine and my statement stands "you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but it doesnt matter to rights"
 
Well do tell what would you call it?

He resigned. Since he hasn't said why, insisting he was "forced out" (de facto firing) by the board is pure supposition.
 
1.) another illogical assumption, nope not important to me just an example of how free speech works for everyone. THey are a hate group.
2.) so when you try to debate my stance your posts dont instantly fail, get destroyed and make no sense like they did.
3.) depends on which part you want to talk about
4.) wrong lol many people including YOU Mentioned rights
5.) yes i understand your back pedal fine and my statement stands "you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but it doesnt matter to rights"

It was never my intention to "debate" your "stance." Why would that interest me? If I mentioned rights in this discussion I'd appreciate it if you would cite that post.:peace
 
1.)It was never my intention to "debate" your "stance." Why would that interest me?
2.) If I mentioned rights in this discussion I'd appreciate it if you would cite that post.:peace

1.) then i guess you should haven argued against things i never said and acted like i did. Typically when qouting somebody you are agreeing with them or disagreeing with them
2.) another poster already pointed this out also and i have no interest in doing so.
glad i could clear up your confusion for you
 
1.) 100% correct he does have that right
2.) this is just your opinion and not fact

Well, you would need to show that Eich pushed that particular opinion about while at work. I have seen no suggestion he did.

3.) translation: disallow them free speech

They absolutely have the right to think Eich is wrong. But as above-- nothing has been said that Eich was pushing that opinion on them.

4.) 100% false you want to infringe on the employees free speech YOU JUST SAID SO ABOVE lol

False. They can have whatever opinion they want. as can Eich.

5.) yes employees and customers practiced their free speech, a right they have that you want to take away

Two different subjects here:

A. employees-- they sought to drive out somebody else. Because of that person's speech. Sorry-- that isn't exercising free speech

B. Customers-- this would seem to be a no brainer-- Mozzilla has no right to do business with OKCupid (minus any contractual obligations which evidently did not exist). OKCupid could do business with whom it chooses.
Except that we now know that bakers and photographers cannot refuse service at gay weddings should they have an opposition to it. The don't have free speech rights here. In light of this, the question has to be asked: Would OKCupid have had the free speech right to refuse to do business with Mozzilla because it objected to the CEO's opinion of gay marriage? Its no longer a clearcut "yes."

6.) 100% false

100% true. You are describing thuggery, not free speech.
 
He resigned. Since he hasn't said why, insisting he was "forced out" (de facto firing) by the board is pure supposition.
Really?After an all out attack as being described as a bigot and "filled with hatred" because he believes that marriage is a union of a man and a woman? He tried to hang on when the controversy hit. He said, "Look, my personal political views have nothing to do with the way I plan on running Mozilla." But the real bigots didn't see that as enough, they pushed him out. And for the record Eich was the one that invented the Java Script, something all of us rely on that use the Internet. And if they can do this to him, then who will be next? I'm sure as soon as California finishes publishing all the donors to Prop 8, anyone else they can make an example out of by painting them bigots and homaphobs will be next to fall under the current fascist way of things.
 
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