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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

vesper said:
1.)Because there are no records of donations to Prop. 8, that somehow gives these people a pass?
2.) When they went before the people claiming one thing and then turn around become cheerleaders for the opposite means nothing?
3.) Wow talke about double standards you haz them.
4.) You just proved yourself incapable of being able to discern the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.
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1.) never said it gave them a pass only pointed out the FACT they are not the same. One is factually bigotry the other is not without more
2.) on an issue like this no it means nothing, my brother used to not be "gay friendly" then he grew up, educated himself, actually learned he knew gays and met some more. Now he still isnt pro-gay per-say but he would never deny them equal rights
3.) no double standard for me, your failed strawmen and lies have no effect on the facts or my actually views
4.) nice try but your failed and factually proven wrong posts prove other wise.
Your post fails again let me know when you can actually defend your stance with facts and honesty ill be here
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes they are all acts of bigotry
2.) yes people have the right to boycott others on this list if they want
3.) yes they are all factually bigots by definition
4.) what they did isnt illegal they dont need punished, Please again your failed strawmen are never going to work. Can you quote me sayign they need punished? nope its a lie you made up lol
5.) i have no idea what this sentence even means but all people have the right to free speech and NOBODY has lost their rights in this case.
6.) maybe people will

your post fails again, sorry you dont like free speech and equal rights. Maybe try russia?
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4.) If all these people don't need to be punished, why is Eich punished? Is his transgression worse in some way? If so, how?

5.) As if often the case, winner in history get to write the history books. In this case, the winners, i.e. the LGBT, get to go around and punish whomever they feel like punishing?

6.) I see that you are perfectly fine with LGBT exercising their rights and free speech, but don't really give a dam about Eich's, and support his punishment by an angry LGBT mob.
 
BobbyO said:
Eich didn't do anything at work about that which he believed. The ruckus was caused by people who disagreed with him-- they caused the chaos.
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Having a bumper sticker on someone's private property isn't doing anything at work either. This too can cause a ruckus by people who disagree with said bumper sticker on someone else's car. This is the whole issue. Free speech is NOT protected in and/or even outside a private work place. If people within the work place get upset, that can cause a problem.
 
eohrnberger said:
1.)I have no opposition to free speech. Eich's, LGBT's or anyone else's.
2.) I do not believe that forcing someone out of their livelihood because of their exercise of free speech is justifiable.
3.)This is exactly what the LGBT community engaged in, and I see it as a dangerous precedent, for any group to exercise this level of impact on someone they disagree with.
4.)What happened to the most honorable 'I disagree with you completely, but support you right to say it'? Has that been cast to the way side?
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1.) then you shouldnt be bothered by this then
2.) then you dont believe in free speech, thank you for proving that and there is still no proof of force
3.) you mean the way its been done forever but now that it happened and it seems gays made it happen its evil. AGain sorry this is how free speech works.
4.) and there it is, this is where you confusion is shown. He still has the right to say it, that wasnt taken away

ill ask again since you dodged it.

whats your solution? how do you fix free speech?
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes they are all acts of bigotry
2.) yes people have the right to boycott others on this list if they want
3.) yes they are all factually bigots by definition
4.) what they did isnt illegal they dont need punished, Please again your failed strawmen are never going to work. Can you quote me sayign they need punished? nope its a lie you made up lol
5.) i have no idea what this sentence even means but all people have the right to free speech and NOBODY has lost their rights in this case.
6.) maybe people will

your post fails again, sorry you dont like free speech and equal rights. Maybe try russia?
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WTF
What about Eich's rights to free speech? did you forget about them or don't they count? And then you label him a bigot because he believes in marriage between a man and a woman. Seems to me the pot is calling the kettle black.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Having a bumper sticker on someone's private property isn't doing anything at work either. This too can cause a ruckus by people who disagree with said bumper sticker on someone else's car. This is the whole issue. Free speech is NOT protected in and/or even outside a private work place. If people within the work place get upset, that can cause a problem.
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What's all this about a bumper sticker and how does it relate to this issue??
 
eohrnberger said:
4.) If all these people don't need to be punished, why is Eich punished? Is his transgression worse in some way? If so, how?
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This question needs to be taken up with the private workplace. That is where he step down. The reality is that in private place of work people can lose their job very easy for political or nonpolitical reasons alike. People cannot and do not have free speech rights in at will work places.
 
vesper said:
WTF
What about Eich's rights to free speech? did you forget about them or don't they count? And then you label him a bigot because he believes in marriage between a man and a woman. Seems to me the pot is calling the kettle black.
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It's worse than that He didn't even speak. They just checked to see who he may ever have made a political donation and it went from there.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Having a bumper sticker on someone's private property isn't doing anything at work either. This too can cause a ruckus by people who disagree with said bumper sticker on someone else's car. This is the whole issue. Free speech is NOT protected in and/or even outside a private work place. If people within the work place get upset, that can cause a problem.
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this is absolutely true, I do not have bumper stickers that I would prefer to have on my vehicle because of the reactions from conservative southerners I would get, some of which could be detrimental to my livelihood (as had happened to a friend of mine)

I don't consider my right to free speech infringed though, I consider that I made the best choice available to me.
 
BobbyO said:
1.)Yawn. there was no claim that either Obama of Clinton donated in support of Prop 8.
2.)What was claimed in that Eich's opinion on gay marriage in 2008 was the same as the opinion of Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton. Which is true.
3.)You choose to say that because neither Obama or Clinton donated to the supporters of Prop 8, it means there is a huge difference between the two senators and Eich.
Because Eich took "actions" in support of his belief.
4.)Which means the issue has nothing to do with free speech-- its all about silencing opposition (believe what you want- but don't dare try to stop me). Which is not an exercise in free speech. Its an exercise in tyranny.
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1.) they were claimed to be the same the is 100% false
2.) no again its factually false because the CEO had the opinion that he should STOP it. theres nothing that shows the other two of the same opinion. thank you for further proving me right and my point
3.) no i dont "choose" to say that, facts make it that way.
like i said there is a factually difference between somebody who doesnt agree with subject X and wants to stop others from doing X and denying them rights.

if you dont like blondes thats fine but if you try to stop blondes from being able to vote that is HUGE difference lol

4.) its all about free speech, that has already been proven

facts win and your post fails again
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
This question needs to be taken up with the private workplace. That is where he step down. The reality is that in private place of work people can lose their job very easy for political or nonpolitical reasons alike. People cannot and do not have free speech rights in at will work places.
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He was not in the workplace. He made a private donation.
 
Kobie said:
Mozilla made a business decision. Like it or not, it was not OKCupid or the gaaaaaaays who made that decision. Mozilla did.
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Because of LGBT boycotts, sure. I don't fault Mozilla, they were backed into a corner on the whole thing.

Nor do I blame Eich for exercising his free speech. I don't even blame the LGB group for exercising theirs, but when all this results in someone being forced from employment, their livelihood, I feel justified in my concern about this precedent. Who get's to lose their job next?
 
Grant said:
What's all this about a bumper sticker and how does it relate to this issue??
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People can get fired for having the wrong political bumper sticker on a car. What happened to Eich is nothing new so don't understand the outrage with it but not the outrage with the real issue of people not having free speech rights in private business.
 
Grant said:
It's worse than that He didn't even speak. They just checked to see who he may ever have made a political donation and it went from there.
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I know, it's fascist behavior on display and anyone really concerned about rights should take heed.
 
eohrnberger said:
Because of LGBT boycotts, sure. I don't fault Mozilla, they were backed into a corner on the whole thing.

Nor do I blame Eich for exercising his free speech. I don't even blame the LGB group for exercising theirs, but when all this results in someone being forced from employment, their livelihood, I feel justified in my concern about this precedent. Who get's to lose their job next?
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The point is people do all the time.
 
Jack Hays said:
The point is tolerance and decency, not legality.:peace
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translation: when you disagree with others opinions they shouldnt use their freedom of speech, it should only be used when you agree with it

got it
your ready to answer my question or you still gonna dodge
 
eohrnberger said:
Because of LGBT boycotts, sure. I don't fault Mozilla, they were backed into a corner on the whole thing.

Nor do I blame Eich for exercising his free speech. I don't even blame the LGB group for exercising theirs, but when all this results in someone being forced from employment, their livelihood, I feel justified in my concern about this precedent. Who get's to lose their job next?
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The point is people do all the time.
 
tacomancer said:
this is absolutely true, I do not have bumper stickers that I would prefer to have on my vehicle because of the reactions from conservative southerners I would get, some of which could be detrimental to my livelihood (as had happened to a friend of mine)

I don't consider my right to free speech infringed though, I consider that I made the best choice available to me.
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That's fine because that is not having a double standard if you hold that same standard to this Eich case.
 
Grant said:
He was not in the workplace. He made a private donation.
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And you don't get to decide what customers care about.
 
AGENT J said:
translation: when you disagree with others opinions they shouldnt use their freedom of speech, it should only be used when you agree with it

got it
your ready to answer my question or you still gonna dodge
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On the contrary, I think people on all sides of this question should simply be let alone so long as they don't act against the rights of others. I myself support SSM. I was not aware you asked a question. I only heard the shouting. What was the question?:peace
 
eohrnberger said:
1.) If all these people don't need to be punished, why is Eich punished? Is his transgression worse in some way? If so, how?

2.) As if often the case, winner in history get to write the history books. In this case, the winners, i.e. the LGBT, get to go around and punish whomever they feel like punishing?

3.) I see that you are perfectly fine with LGBT exercising their rights and free speech, but don't really give a dam about Eich's, and support his punishment by an angry LGBT mob.
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1.) how was he "punished"?
2.) again nobody was punished everybody's rights remain in tact
3.) another posted lie lol
i support his right 100% and he still has that right and it was never taken away

do you have any facts that support this lie

facts win and your post fails again

so what yous solution?
 
Jack Hays said:
The point is tolerance and decency, not legality.:peace
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Interesting, because before you said it was a violation of free speech.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
That's fine because that is not having a double standard if you hold that same standard to this Eich case.
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That's how I see the Eich case. Free speech does not inhibit reactions from society. I don't understand why people don't get this. Speech is still free even if its used in ways someone doesn't like and for ends someone doesn't like so long as it follows first amendment rules which have been laid out. In this case, it happened that way.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Having a bumper sticker on someone's private property isn't doing anything at work either. This too can cause a ruckus by people who disagree with said bumper sticker on someone else's car. This is the whole issue. Free speech is NOT protected in and/or even outside a private work place. If people within the work place get upset, that can cause a problem.
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Nobody is claiming that Eich's rights were violated.
What is being claimed is that this is not an exercise of free speech ie. the supporters of gay marriage in this company were not allowing Eich to have a dissenting opinion-- he MUST support gay marriage else he is out the door,
 
vesper said:
WTF
1.)What about Eich's rights to free speech?
2.) did you forget about them or don't they count?
3.) And then you label him a bigot because he believes in marriage between a man and a woman.
4.) Seems to me the pot is calling the kettle black.
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1.) its fully 100% in tact
2.) nope did you miss the fact its 1100% in tact
3.) another posted lie i never lebeld him a bigot because of that. But the DEFINITION of bigot makes him one as soon as he donated and tried to deny others rights
4.) seems to me your post failed again, facts won again and the lies you posted were proven wrong again

free speech for all not just those YOU choose
 
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