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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

rabbitcaebannog said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with my post:roll:
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Well it does now. I've read through the thread and all the dancing around of what might have happened is BS.
 
j-mac said:
Only in so much as his progressive agenda emboldens the LGBT SS.
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It's a little pathetic for the same people to bring partisan rhetoric into every frickin single thread. Feel free to indulge with those like minded.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
1.)Early in the thread I made the distinction that this guy was not fired. I don't mean to suggest he was fired.
2.) My point is that he did take heat for his actions and it did effect the company's bottom line.
3.) That is ultimately why he was forced to leave.
4.) Most ordinary workers would be told to pack up and leave for much less things.
5.) I still am not getting why this guy is being portrayed as such a Martyr for cause.
6.) The obvious is because the media wants us to feel bad for him not realizing this happen all the time to people and no one gives two sh*ts.
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1.) sorry i know you didtn and i didnt mean to imply that i was just pointing it out. People keep repeating it over and over again for the false outrage and it makes me laugh
2.) this is true
3.) again this is a guess, i would agree with a GUESS that it was probably suggested for him to step down though but I dont see any real force
4.) I agree this has happened also as long as its legal
5.) he's not by anybody honest
6.) well i dont feel bad for him really. Now im not saying i support what all happened im just a reality based person. He did something exposing his bigotry, and people found out and further exposed it. This had effects on things. No surprise at all.

no laws were broken so theres nothing to "make up" and cry about like some are doing
 
Mr.Nick said:
1.)What is hilarious is the progressive denial when they're called out on their bull**** favoritism.

2.)Now, if you have an alternate reasoning why you favor minorities over "straight white Christian men" then explain that

3.) instead of spewing one sentence of fluff a 5-year-old would use in response to criticism (as the typical progressive does).
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1.)wow, this additional, factually false rant changed nothing about the facts of your views it just exposes the dishonesty in them even further lol
2.) hey look another posted lie. I am a Christine male so i dont favor "minorities" over them nor does the law. Facts defeat your posted lies again
3.) hey look NOW a failed insults since the facts i posted proved your post wrong. Let me know when you have something accurate and factual to defend your failed post and factually proven wrong lies.

Could you tell us why you posted that you hate gays?
then prove that i have favoritism
then prove its all and only progressives that support equal rights
then prove explain to us what a protected classes is that shows favortism and excludes what ever you are?

this is gonna be great.
who wants to bet it gets dodged?

your post fails again :)
 
AGENT J said:
1.) sorry i know you didtn and i didnt mean to imply that i was just pointing it out. People keep repeating it over and over again for the false outrage and it makes me laugh
2.) this is true
3.) again this is a guess, i would agree with a GUESS that it was probably suggested for him to step down though but I dont see any real force
4.) I agree this has happened also as long as its legal
5.) he's not by anybody honest
6.) well i dont feel bad for him really. Now im not saying i support what all happened im just a reality based person. He did something exposing his bigotry, and people found out and further exposed it. This had effects on things. No surprise at all.

no laws were broken so theres nothing to "make up" and cry about like some are doing
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"Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us."
--Andrew Sullivan:peace
 
AGENT J said:
yep

SOME people simply dont care about rights and freedoms that exist in this country. They dont care about their fellow americans one bit. Its pure hypocrisy as an american.
SOME people want less government and talk about rights and constitution BUT that stuff only matters for what THEY want lol. Its only matters for THEIR rights, in their views the hell with everyone else.

But luckily equality is winning and bigotry and discrimination is losing and its awesome. Its hilarious to see the fear and angry equal rights inspires in some and how many lies they will try to sell to. Nobody honest, educated and objective buys their false claims.

its always funny to see somebody claim they are being forced when equal rights forces nothing on them it just allows others to have the same rights they do and their way would be to DENY others rights.

Well they dont have long to try these desperate, hateful, last minute, hell marys because its the 4th water and gay rights will be national soon

but until then the hyperbolic, mentally inane, BS crying about rouge judges, force, tradition, sanctity, morals, bestiality, pedophilia, saying its just the left/liberals that support equal rights, history of marriage, dangers of the icky gays etc etc and all the other failed and proven wrong fallacies will continue to entertain educated and honest righties, lefties and independents alike :) Its comic gold!
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id like to add the failed fallacy of "double standards" to the list.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) sorry i know you didtn and i didnt mean to imply that i was just pointing it out. People keep repeating it over and over again for the false outrage and it makes me laugh
2.) this is true
3.) again this is a guess, i would agree with a GUESS that it was probably suggested for him to step down though but I dont see any real force
4.) I agree this has happened also as long as its legal
5.) he's not by anybody honest
6.) well i dont feel bad for him really. Now im not saying i support what all happened im just a reality based person. He did something exposing his bigotry, and people found out and further exposed it. This had effects on things. No surprise at all.

no laws were broken so theres nothing to "make up" and cry about like some are doing
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You are 100% correct. There were no laws broken. Ordinary people can get fired for much lesser things all the time.
 
Jack Hays said:
"Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us."
--Andrew Sullivan:peace
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Oh Eich such a Martyr.
 
Jack Hays said:
And those people down the hall who were taken away last night probably did something to deserve it.:roll:
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No, the point is that people can get fired for having the wrong bumper sticker on their car. If that doesn't outrage people, I don't know what will...Oh, except for this poor man being used in a witch hunt:roll:
 
Jack Hays said:
1.)"Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame?
2.) Why not the stocks?
3.) The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society.
4.) If this is the gay rights movement today
5.) hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out.
6.) If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us."
--Andrew Sullivan:peace
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1.) thats his choice. If he is ashamed thats what will happen, if he is proud of what he did then he will be proud.
2.) he didnt do anything "illegal" why would anybody do that.
3.) whats disquesting about it? its reality and theres nothing intolerant or nondiverse about it. He did something he had a right to do and so did others.
4.) youll have to be more specific than that. There are many sub topics that developed in this thread.
WHat are you saying "is about equal rights for gays"
5.) again if no laws are broken then it is what it is, youll have to be more specif instead of just posting catch phrases
I dont like what West Boro does but they have the right too. WHat specifically are oyu referring to.
6.) again read 5, youll need to be more specific.

maybe you dont know my stance
i dont know what all happened, his bigotry was found out, people stated they didnt like it, but ive read nothign saying this guy was fired or mozilla did anything illegal.

from that stand point it is what it is.

if you would like me to make a judgment or give my opinion about somethign youll have to be specific and ill gladly answer
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Oh Eich such a Martyr.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
--Martin Niemoeller:peace
 
AGENT J said:
1.)wow, this additional, factually false rant changed nothing about the facts of your views it just exposes the dishonesty in them even further lol
2.) hey look another posted lie. I am a Christine male so i dont favor "minorities" over them nor does the law. Facts defeat your posted lies again
3.) hey look NOW a failed insults since the facts i posted proved your post wrong. Let me know when you have something accurate and factual to defend your failed post and factually proven wrong lies.

Could you tell us why you posted that you hate gays?
then prove that i have favoritism
then prove its all and only progressives that support equal rights
then prove explain to us what a protected classes is that shows favortism and excludes what ever you are?

this is gonna be great.
who wants to bet it gets dodged?

your post fails again :)
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You just don't get it do you? is being cynical and dense a prerequisite for towing the progressive party line?

There is nothing wrong with being gay or a minority, however there is something wrong when progressives exploit them and in some sense treat them as slaves to the DNC...

Also, I'm sure there are plenty of gays and minorities that agree with me to boot - and of course MSNBC and every hardcore progressive in the United States will be there to bash them.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It needs to not be forgotten that the cause which Mr. Eich supported is the cause which won the election, as a similar one did some years before. The vast majority of Californians agree with Mr. Eich's position on the issue of protecting marriage from those who wish to redefine and corrupt it.

This probably includes the majority of employees at Mozilla.

What would happen to Mozilla, or to any other large company, if it were to learn what position each of its employees took on the issue of protecting marriage, and were to fire every employee who did not vote in favor of forcing a sick mockery of marriage to be accepted and treated as equal to genuine marriage? Any employer that did this would end up losing most of its workers; and it would be the more morally-sound majority that it would lose; leaving behind the minority who can be solidly expected to be the least moral and least ethical among the original workforce.
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Great points. What happened to Eich is fascist-like as far as I'm concerned. He was forced out for exercising his free speech rights. Not only did the majority of Californians vote to recognize marriage to be between a man and a women but the President of the United States in 2008 shared their point of view as well. Because of the law in California requiring that all people that donate more than $100 to anything in a proposition/ballot initiative have to be made public, some people found out that Brendan Eich four years ago donated $1000 to Proposition 8, which was the California initiative to establish marriage as that between a man and a woman. And look what can result from that when pressured by fascist acting groups? Scary stuff.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) thats his choice. If he is ashamed thats what will happen, if he is proud of what he did then he will be proud.
2.) he didnt do anything "illegal" why would anybody do that.
3.) whats disquesting about it? its reality and theres nothing intolerant or nondiverse about it. He did something he had a right to do and so did others.
4.) youll have to be more specific than that. There are many sub topics that developed in this thread.
WHat are you saying "is about equal rights for gays"
5.) again if no laws are broken then it is what it is, youll have to be more specif instead of just posting catch phrases
I dont like what West Boro does but they have the right too. WHat specifically are oyu referring to.
6.) again read 5, youll need to be more specific.

maybe you dont know my stance
i dont know what all happened, his bigotry was found out, people stated they didnt like it, but ive read nothign saying this guy was fired or mozilla did anything illegal.

from that stand point it is what it is.

if you would like me to make a judgment or give my opinion about somethign youll have to be specific and ill gladly answer
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If you do not understand how disgusting is this episode then you lack the faculties to discuss it. Sorry to bother you.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
--Martin Niemoeller:peace
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Yeah, plenty of people don't speak out and I agree that is a problem.
 
AGENT J said:
best part is uhm, who was "fired" can anybody tell me who was fired in the OP article?

all i see in the op is the facts

a person did something bigoted that he had the right and freedom to do
other people pointed out this bigotry and said they didnt like it, which they also have the right and freedom to do
because of this the person stepped down
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who was fired? did something illegal happen?
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He left or was forced to leave (probably former?) his position due to a political donation half a decade ago.

How it came about matters not, however.

That his political position from over 5 years ago was enough to cause him to leave is the key point here.

And the point of debate is...should it have been?
 
Mr.Nick said:
1.)You just don't get it do you? is being cynical and dense a prerequisite for towing the progressive party line?
2.)There is nothing wrong with being gay or a minority
3.) however there is something wrong when progressives exploit them and in some sense treat them as slaves to the DNC...
4.)Also, I'm sure there are plenty of gays and minorities that agree with me to boot - and of course MSNBC and every hardcore progressive in the United States will be there to bash them to boot.
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well i called that perfectly, thank you for dodging my questions and proving me right again

1.) yes i understand all the lies you try to seel in your post and i already told you im not a progressive lol another failed strawman by you
2.) I know this, eventhough you stated you hate gays
3.) well good thing this inst "factually" happening its just you opinion that you cant support with any facts what so ever
4.) no there are no gays that agree with your opinion of hating gays
your post fails again

now ill ask my questions again to see if you can support your claims yet

Could you tell us why you posted that you hate gays?
then prove that i have favoritism
then prove its all and only progressives that support equal rights
then prove explain to us what a protected classes is that shows favoritism and excludes what ever you are?

thanks, we'll be waiting
 
The Mark said:
1.)He left or was forced to leave (probably former?) his position due to a political donation half a decade ago.
2.)How it came about matters not, however.
3.)That his political position from 5 years ago was enough to cause him to leave is the key point here.

And the point of debate is...should it have been?
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1.) yes its possible he was asked or forced but so far he says he stepped down and it started based off his bigotry being exposed
2.) i agree it doesnt matter how people found out he was a bigot
3.) yes i understand its a main part of the story as i said many times
4.) you want to know should he have decided to step down? thats on him

and to answer your question in general, YES in general things of this nature can absolutley make a person decided to move on or a company to ask a person or fire them.

just for an extreme example what if the director of a physiological and physical care center for battered women beat his wife and people found out?
people would probably speck out about that and he may decided to step down, be asked to or be fired

as long as its with in the guidlines of the law i see no reason to cry about it whether i agree or not.

DO you? are you saying a person is 100% free from repercussions of their actions? especially a high profile one. I know your not im just saying.

In this whol thread i havent condone what happened to him or not just said its not a surprise, its legal and so far he is a bigoted until something else says otherwise
 
The Mark said:
He left or was forced to leave (probably former?) his position due to a political donation half a decade ago.

How it came about matters not, however.

That his political position from over 5 years ago was enough to cause him to leave is the key point here.

And the point of debate is...should it have been?
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Actually his position then was the same as Obama's and Hillary's then.....Where are the gays outrage against them?:confused:
 
Jack Hays said:
If you do not understand how disgusting is this episode then you lack the faculties to discuss it. Sorry to bother you.:peace
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translation: you cant defend your stance so you deflect and try and failed insult.
Im sorry free speech and rights bother you
let me know when you can defend your stance.
 
Jack Hays said:
"Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us."
--Andrew Sullivan:peace
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IMO, I don't even believe there are many who even hate gays - sure they may disagree with their lifestyle but the majority that do don't hate gays. Of course there is a fraction of extremist groups out there (of every kind) but I suppose my point is you don't have to hate someone to disagree with them.

Besides, the whole gay issue is not a right or left wing issue...

There are a lot of progressive and communist groups/organizations out there that literally hate and can't stand homosexuality and the fact homosexuals are accepted in society.
 
vesper said:
Great points. What happened to Eich is fascist-like as far as I'm concerned. He was forced out for exercising his free speech rights. Not only did the majority of Californians vote to recognize marriage to be between a man and a women but the President of the United States in 2008 shared their point of view as well. Because of the law in California requiring that all people that donate more than $100 to anything in a proposition/ballot initiative have to be made public, some people found out that Brendan Eich four years ago donated $1000 to Proposition 8, which was the California initiative to establish marriage as that between a man and a woman. And look what can result from that when pressured by fascist acting groups? Scary stuff.
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Free speech does not mean people can't hate you, it is not fascist to want to remove your CEO because he is homophobic. The CEO was harming the reputation of the company and employees disagreed with him.
 
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