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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

Deuce said:
People are still trying to force their morality onto others by enacting similar laws and constitutional amendments.

Stop doing that, and you'll stop hearing the complaints!
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yep

SOME people simply dont care about rights and freedoms that exist in this country. They dont care about their fellow americans one bit. Its pure hypocrisy as an american.
SOME people want less government and talk about rights and constitution BUT that stuff only matters for what THEY want lol. Its only matters for THEIR rights, in their views the hell with everyone else.

But luckily equality is winning and bigotry and discrimination is losing and its awesome. Its hilarious to see the fear and angry equal rights inspires in some and how many lies they will try to sell to. Nobody honest, educated and objective buys their false claims.

its always funny to see somebody claim they are being forced when equal rights forces nothing on them it just allows others to have the same rights they do and their way would be to DENY others rights.

Well they dont have long to try these desperate, hateful, last minute, hell marys because its the 4th water and gay rights will be national soon

but until then the hyperbolic, mentally inane, BS crying about rouge judges, force, tradition, sanctity, morals, bestiality, pedophilia, saying its just the left/liberals that support equal rights, history of marriage, dangers of the icky gays etc etc and all the other failed and proven wrong fallacies will continue to entertain educated and honest righties, lefties and independents alike :) Its comic gold!
 
BobbyO said:
Sorry-- total strawman.

The argument is this:

Mozilla certainly had the right to request his resignation, because, as has been pointed out repeatedly, it would be impossible for him to be effective in his job, in light of the campaign against him. There is no claim that his rights were violated, or that new laws need to be made.

Its the nature of the campaign that was objectionable. There were no claims that his job performance was tainted by his opposition to same sex marriage. No claims that, in 2008 as he was writing out his $1000 check, or that in any year, he was purging gays on the job, or creating a hostile workplace. He was not advocating his opposition on the job, or indeed to co-workers off job time. Nobody seemed to know of his opposition. He was a man who showed up to work everyday and did his job well, and who in the judgement of the Board of directors, was quite suitable for the job of CEO.

He had a personal opinion at odds with many employees of Mozilla. And they would not tolerate it.
And their lack of tolerance is the problem.
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It needs to not be forgotten that the cause which Mr. Eich supported is the cause which won the election, as a similar one did some years before. The vast majority of Californians agree with Mr. Eich's position on the issue of protecting marriage from those who wish to redefine and corrupt it.

This probably includes the majority of employees at Mozilla.

What would happen to Mozilla, or to any other large company, if it were to learn what position each of its employees took on the issue of protecting marriage, and were to fire every employee who did not vote in favor of forcing a sick mockery of marriage to be accepted and treated as equal to genuine marriage? Any employer that did this would end up losing most of its workers; and it would be the more morally-sound majority that it would lose; leaving behind the minority who can be solidly expected to be the least moral and least ethical among the original workforce.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, and similarly anti-miscegenation laws that prohibited interracial marriage also didn't restrict or strip anyone's rights.
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Wrong, it took away the right of a man and woman to marry.

They simply defined marriage as only between a man and woman of the same RACE.
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But see, that was racial. Race doesn't have anything to do with marriage. Gender does. Without a man and a woman, it is not a marriage. Glad that is now cleared up.
 
danarhea said:
It was pressure from the GOP leadership that got him to step down. But, speaking of healthy heterosexual activity, how about Senator Diaper Dan Vitter? LOL.
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Whatever happens between consenting adults shouldn't be our business but I do notice that, in general, Leftists make more of sexual issues than does anyone else.
 
Ahlevah said:
So if an employee says "I'm gay" and his boss kicks his ass to the curb because he's a disruption to the company or work environment, what rights, if any, of the employee are violated?
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All an employee need do is ask a gay person, or any person, how they feel about marriage and fire them no matter how they respond. This seems to be the precedent set here.
 
Deuce said:
I think your morality is not sufficient reason by itself to decide whether or not it should be legal for me to do something. And vice versa. Do you really want the government of the United States enforcing someone else's moral code upon you based solely on the fact that they disapprove of your actions?
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No, i certainly don't want any government ging to far into our moral behavior, apart from the aws already in place..

The problem with getting rid of people at one time, as in the case of Eich, might backfire when moralities change yet again and other people with different points of view gain power. Is it more immoral for firing someone for a political donation or for the act of making a political donation. Perhaps this is a question we should be asking ourselves.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Lol, I just came across this article and want to ask if conservatives are in or out? Put your outrage to work-

Here's the question: Simply put, if conservatives are frustrated by the treatment of Eich for his role in Proposition 8, then they should be outraged by the treatment of ordinary people at the hands of the people who employ them."
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Ho hum. Another example of a liberal not geting it. There's no connection.
 
TheNextEra said:
Essentially morality is nothing but laws (or rules) in one way or another. Morality is defined by society.
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Society is all over the place as far as morals go. There are no defining public morals anymore.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It needs to not be forgotten that the cause which Mr. Eich supported is the cause which won the election, as a similar one did some years before. The vast majority of Californians agree with Mr. Eich's position on the issue of protecting marriage from those who wish to redefine and corrupt it.

This probably includes the majority of employees at Mozilla.

What would happen to Mozilla, or to any other large company, if it were to learn what position each of its employees took on the issue of protecting marriage, and were to fire every employee who did not vote in favor of forcing a sick mockery of marriage to be accepted and treated as equal to genuine marriage? Any employer that did this would end up losing most of its workers; and it would be the more morally-sound majority that it would lose; leaving behind the minority who can be solidly expected to be the least moral and least ethical among the original workforce.
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Talk about a strawman:lol:
 
eohrnberger said:
I suppose, now that I've publicly questioned the LGBT's motive in this attack against Eich, and my questioning of the motives of the liberal / progressives, that soon, I'll lose my job to political pressure from these groups. Such is the fall out from this LGBT fascism and fanaticism. If you don't agree with 'us' we'll punish you.

I think it well worth while to call attention to Andrew Sullivan's blog posting on the matter:
The Hounding Of A Heretic « The Dish
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I don't give a **** what people do but when minorities attempt to portray themselves as a "protected class" that downright pisses me off, and when that happens I lose all respect for the group(s) as whole.

There should be no such thing as a "protected class" - that idea is epic nonsense.

People should be judged based on merit and NOT their differences..

This is why I really don't like progressives, because they believe race matters, religion matters and sexual orientation matters.... Progressives are more obsessed with those ideas than they actually are with what an individual can produce or better society or even a company.

I'm so sick of this obsession with aesthetics.

The only people who actually give a **** if someone is gay, black, Jewish or whatever are progressives.

That type of nonsense does nothing more than hinder overall success, from social contact to the growth of our economy.
 
Anthony60 said:
Well then, go ahead and tell us what the connection is, specifically.
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Any person can lose their job in a private work place for political opinions. Why aren't people outraged about ordinary people being fired for such things? People are spending so much time trying to make this CEO some kind of Martyr. If we want things changed for people, it should change for EVERYONE, otherwise what is good for the goose is good for the gander. People will continue to get fired for voicing or supporting a cause that may be very controversial.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't give a **** what people do but when minorities attempt to portray themselves as a "protected class" that downright pisses me off, and when that happens I lose all respect for the group(s) as whole.

There should be no such thing as a "protected class" - that idea is epic nonsense.

People should be judged based on merit and NOT their differences..

This is why I really don't like progressives, because they believe race matters, religion matters and sexual orientation matters.... Progressives are more obsessed with those ideas than they actually are with what an individual can produce or better society or even a company.

I'm so sick of this obsession with aesthetics.

The only people who actually give a **** if someone is gay, black, Jewish or whatever are progressives.

That type of nonsense does nothing more than hinder overall success, from social contact to the growth of our economy.
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this illogical, hilarious, factually false rant is easily defeated by facts and your own words quoted below :)
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Any person can lose their job in a private work place for political opinions. Why aren't people outraged about ordinary people being fired for such things? People are spending so much time trying to make this CEO some kind of Martyr. If we want things changed for people, it should change for EVERYONE, otherwise what is good for the goose is good for the gander. People will continue to get fired for voicing or supporting a cause that may be very controversial.
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best part is uhm, who was "fired" can anybody tell me who was fired in the OP article?

all i see in the op is the facts

a person did something bigoted that he had the right and freedom to do
other people pointed out this bigotry and said they didnt like it, which they also have the right and freedom to do
because of this the person stepped down
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who was fired? did something illegal happen?
 
AGENT J said:
this illogical, hilarious, factually false rant is easily defeated by facts and your own words quoted below :)
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What is hilarious is the progressive denial when they're called out on their bull**** favoritism.

Now, if you have an alternate reasoning why you favor minorities over "straight white Christian men" then explain that instead of spewing one sentence of fluff a 5-year-old would use in response to criticism (as the typical progressive does).
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Good grief, what does Obama have to do with it:roll:
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It has everything to do with exposing the double standards and down right attack on free speech.

When the left wingnuts found out that Brendan Eich had donated to Proposition 8 four years ago, immediately Brendan Eich was described as "filled with hatred" and anti-gay bigotry all over the tech media by leftists. Yet no one treated Obama with the same scrutiny in 2008 when he told everyone he believed that marriage was between a man and a women. Where was the outrage for Obama and his beliefs in 2008, was he a "filled with hatred" and anti-gay bigotry according to the left? Hell no! But then again the left doesn't work on same standards, they operate on DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
AGENT J said:
best part is uhm, who was "fired" can anybody tell me who was fired in the OP article?

all i see in the op is the facts

a person did something bigoted that he had the right and freedom to do
other people pointed out this bigotry and said they didnt like it, which they also have the right and freedom to do
because of this the person stepped down
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who was fired? did something illegal happen?
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Early in the thread I made the distinction that this guy was not fired. I don't mean to suggest he was fired. My point is that he did take heat for his actions and it did effect the company's bottom line. That is ultimately why he was forced to leave. Most ordinary workers would be told to pack up and leave for much less things. I still am not getting why this guy is being portrayed as such a Martyr for cause. The obvious is because the media wants us to feel bad for him not realizing this happen all the time to people and no one gives two sh*ts.
 
vesper said:
It has everything to do with exposing the double standards and down right attack on free speech.

When the left wingnuts found out that Brendan Eich had donated to Proposition 8 four years ago, immediately Brendan Eich was described as "filled with hatred" and anti-gay bigotry all over the tech media by leftists. Yet no one treated Obama with the same scrutiny in 2008 when he told everyone he believed that marriage was between a man and a women. Where was the outrage for Obama and his beliefs in 2008, was he a "filled with hatred" and anti-gay bigotry according to the left? Hell no! But then again the left doesn't work on same standards, they operate on DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That has absolutely nothing to do with my post:roll:
 
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