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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

I hope it's true about having to pay him a lot.

I still haven't figured out what exactly the Eich opponents were looking to gain by this, except the hopes that they ruined his life, and some sort of symbolic win. They didn't ruin his life, and the symbolic win won't help them garner public support beyond what they already had.

I believe they felt it was an opportunity to demonstrate their power and take further control of the political and social agenda. They already have undue influence in both these areas but, as is human nature, want more. This might finally incur a backlash against these intellectually and morally challenged yahoos but we will see. It might, as many have predicted, soon turn violent.
 
Depends on which "Eich opponents" you're referring to.

1. The people who worked at Mozilla made it unequivocally clear that they had a big problem working for this guy. Certainly sounds to me like they got exactly what they wanted.

2. OKCupid (whose "anti-Eichness" appeared to be limited to asking Mozilla users nicely not to use Firefox to access OKCupid) didn't get anything.

1. How many?

2. OkCupid got some free publicity out of this
 
I believe they felt it was an opportunity to demonstrate their power and take further control of the political and social agenda. They already have undue influence in both these areas but, as is human nature, want more. This might finally incur a backlash against these intellectually and morally challenged yahoos but we will see. It might, as many have predicted, soon turn violent.

Eich was offered the job as CEO to run Mozilla. Running Mozilla didn't and shouldn't include an interest in who his employees marry. There is no evidence that Eich did anything to suppress the rights of his employees while he was CTO.

One one hand, the left wants executives to stay out of their employees' personal lives. Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives. Then they say corporations aren't people, but the attack on Eich was because of something he did as a person, not representative of or having an impact on the corporation.

It is like watching bipolar people debate themselves, and losing.
 
1. How many?

2. OkCupid got some free publicity out of this

1. How the **** do I know? I don't work at Mozilla. I don't know how many people worked there. From the sounds of it, the backlash was pretty severe.

2. Pretty much.
 
Eich was offered the job as CEO to run Mozilla. Running Mozilla didn't and shouldn't include an interest in who his employees marry. There is no evidence that Eich did anything to suppress the rights of his employees while he was CTO.

One one hand, the left wants executives to stay out of their employees' personal lives. Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives. Then they say corporations aren't people, but the attack on Eich was because of something he did as a person, not representative of or having an impact on the corporation.

It is like watching bipolar people debate themselves, and losing.

Jesus ****ing Christ. Do you really see "the left" here actually applauding the fact that this guy quit his job? Most people are either ambivalent or flat-out saying it's overkill.

"Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives." WTF???????????????????????
 
Eich was offered the job as CEO to run Mozilla. Running Mozilla didn't and shouldn't include an interest in who his employees marry. There is no evidence that Eich did anything to suppress the rights of his employees while he was CTO.
Quite right. He had his views on marriage but obviously kept them to himself.

One one hand, the left wants executives to stay out of their employees' personal lives. Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives. Then they say corporations aren't people, but the attack on Eich was because of something he did as a person, not representative of or having an impact on the corporation. It is like watching bipolar people debate themselves, and losing.

He made a contribution six years ago in support of marriage remaining between a man and a woman, a position the majority of Americans held, including Barrack Obama, George Bush, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. Apart from his high level of intelligence he seems to be a mainstream sort of person.

There was nothing to justify this attack, except as an example of what might happen to those who dare hold a different opinion.
 
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Jesus ****ing Christ. Do you really see "the left" here actually applauding the fact that this guy quit his job? Most people are either ambivalent or flat-out saying it's overkill.

"Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives." WTF???????????????????????

Don't be paranoid, Kobie. You may not know this, but the "left" extends beyond the borders of DP.
 
1. How the **** do I know? I don't work at Mozilla. I don't know how many people worked there. From the sounds of it, the backlash was pretty severe.

2. Pretty much.

You said "The people who worked at Mozilla made it unequivocally clear that they had a big problem working for this guy." I assumed by that statement, which was very broad, you knew something. I never read how many people were behind this. 10? 100? 25,000? You don't need to swear at me because you don't have an answer.
 
Don't be paranoid, Kobie. You may not know this, but the "left" extends beyond the borders of DP.

Ah, so it's all those invisible liberals cheering.

You said "The people who worked at Mozilla made it unequivocally clear that they had a big problem working for this guy." I assumed by that statement, which was very broad, you knew something. I never read how many people were behind this. 10? 100? 25,000? You don't need to swear at me because you don't have an answer.

Mozilla is not your typical Silicon Valley company.

Monday morning “town halls” at Mozilla are open to the public and anyone can look at the code that powers Mozilla’s popular Firefox web browser. The company’s employees are encouraged to speak their minds and even criticize the boss on Twitter. Thousands of programmers help Mozilla improve its products — free — because the programmers think it is important.

But one thing that Mozilla has in common with other tech companies is that it has grown large. It has 1,000 employees, more than $300 million in revenue (mostly from licensing technology to Google) and many competing interests. And Brendan Eich, who resigned as Mozilla’s chief executive on Thursday after just two weeks in the job, may not have been the person to run a company with such expanding interests.

The question of who is the right person to run Mozilla reached a peak when attention was drawn to a $1,000 donation Mr. Eich made in 2008 to support a California state referendum that banned same-sex marriage. Mozilla employees and members of the programming community criticized Mr. Eich — an influential programmer and a first-time chief executive — for the donation. Instead of addressing the criticism head-on, he insisted that his personal views should not matter to Mozilla.

Criticism mounted and, combined with Mr. Eich’s refusal to discuss his views, made the situation untenable for Mozilla and Mr. Eich, according to current and former Mozilla board members.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/technology/personality-and-change-inflamed-crisis-at-mozilla.html

I don't know how many people were "behind this." I also don't see how it's relevant.
 
Nobody suggested it was the only place you visit, Kobie. But I mention "the left", and you melted down. So either you're guilty, and assume my words were directed towards you (which by the way - they weren't), or you think I only get my internet time on here.
 
Nobody suggested it was the only place you visit, Kobie. But I mention "the left", and you melted down. So either you're guilty, and assume my words were directed towards you (which by the way - they weren't), or you think I only get my internet time on here.

"Melted down"? Give me a break.

Thing is, wherever else you're getting your internet on, you apparently saw SOME liberals applauding, and immediately it became "the left."

One one hand, the left wants executives to stay out of their employees' personal lives. Then they want executives to take ownership of their employees' personal lives. Then they say corporations aren't people, but the attack on Eich was because of something he did as a person, not representative of or having an impact on the corporation.

"The left" is not a hivemind. This is a consistently used rhetorical ploy by many conservatives here -- if one supposed liberal says or believes something, then we all do.
 
"The left" is not a hivemind.

Yes, it is, which is why they are called 'the left'. Others are in the middle and on the right, neither of whom would have bothered much with this issue, or defended Mozilla, or those who made these private donations public..
 
Yes, it is

Stopped reading there. The fact that you actually believe this, that all liberals think and feel the exact same way about every single thing, is exactly why I take very little of what you post seriously.
 
"Melted down"? Give me a break.

Thing is, wherever else you're getting your internet on, you apparently saw SOME liberals applauding, and immediately it became "the left."



"The left" is not a hivemind.

Yes, you melted down by cursing at me twice. I haven't cursed at anyone on this thread or elsewhere on this board.

I saw quite a few Liberals rejoicing.

And if you were being truly honest, you would admit that my use of "the left" is no broader than your use of "the employees of Mozilla".

The left is no more a hivemind than the right. Can I quote you on that when people start to rant about the right?

By the way, my point is still the same. If corporations aren't people, then people also can't be corporations. There should be a line drawn between a person's corporate life and a person's personal life. Someone in this case didn't understand it. But I will venture a guess that some of those same people who decided Eich was a bigot for a donation he made on his off-Mozilla time would be very disgruntled if their off-work time and beliefs they held were subject to any scrutiny.

That is my opinion.
 
Nah, sounds like you made up that ownership thingy.

yep this is what happened

theres no faster way to get a post not taken seriously then to group the left/right/liberals, conservatives together

now mistakes happen and honest, educated and objective people simply admit the mistake when it happens

the facts is many on the rights support free speech and equal rights for gays and as soon as one denies that or says its a left issue they have lost the deabte
 
Yes, you melted down by cursing at me twice. I haven't cursed at anyone on this thread or elsewhere on this board.

Cursing is not a meltdown. Stop reaching for the fainting couch because someone used a naughty word. This is not Sunday School.

I saw quite a few Liberals rejoicing.

That's nice. I didn't.

And if you were being truly honest, you would admit that my use of "the left" is no broader than your use of "the employees of Mozilla".

Of course it is. You're referring to one entire side of the (often false) political dichotomy; I was referring to the employees of one software firm.

The left is no more a hivemind than the right. Can I quote you on that when people start to rant about the right?

You go right ahead. You'll have a hard time finding me painting with that extremely broad brush, though.

By the way, my point is still the same. If corporations aren't people, then people also can't be corporations. There should be a line drawn between a person's corporate life and a person's personal life. Someone in this case didn't understand it. But I will venture a guess that some of those same people who decided Eich was a bigot for a donation he made on his off-Mozilla time would be very disgruntled if their off-work time and beliefs they held were subject to any scrutiny.

That is my opinion.

How things went down has been explained in detail in the NYT link I've posted several times (a link that has been summarily dismissed by some of our more fervent right-wing brethren who are desperate to find any way they can to use this as proof that liberals are the Worst People Ever). This has nothing to do with Corporate Personhood.
 
Yes, you melted down by cursing at me twice. I haven't cursed at anyone on this thread or elsewhere on this board.

I saw quite a few Liberals rejoicing.

And if you were being truly honest, you would admit that my use of "the left" is no broader than your use of "the employees of Mozilla".

The left is no more a hivemind than the right. Can I quote you on that when people start to rant about the right?

By the way, my point is still the same. If corporations aren't people, then people also can't be corporations. There should be a line drawn between a person's corporate life and a person's personal life. Someone in this case didn't understand it. But I will venture a guess that some of those same people who decided Eich was a bigot for a donation he made on his off-Mozilla time would be very disgruntled if their off-work time and beliefs they held were subject to any scrutiny.

That is my opinion.

Um, people's off work time beliefs are scrutinized by employers. No one seems to give a cr*p about it and I can't for the life of me understand why that is? Well, I do. Because by making Eich some kind of victim it makes great hay for political bickering.
 
yep this is what happened

theres no faster way to get a post not taken seriously then to group the left/right/liberals, conservatives together

now mistakes happen and honest, educated and objective people simply admit the mistake when it happens

the facts is many on the rights support free speech and equal rights for gays and as soon as one denies that or says its a left issue they have lost the deabte

To claim that anyone wants employers to have ownership over their lives is just plain bizarre.:screwy

I haven't gotten a reply yet. I won't hold my breath:lol:
 
Cursing is not a meltdown. Stop reaching for the fainting couch because someone used a naughty word. This is not Sunday School.

Cursing only demonstrates your lack of a coherent vocabulary and, thus, muddled thinking.

You're right though that this is not Sunday School which, once again, demonstrates your flair for the obvious.
 
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