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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

yes it actually does, thats exactly what it does, are whole system works on similar premises as long as they are with in the law. Voting is just an official way of the same thing. Unless you are claiming we dont have free speech.

example. I think you shouldnt post here any more and im gonna tell everybody and boycott this site until you are not posting here any more.

are you claiming i dont have that right? I most certainly do.

yep you do and the mods on this site don't have to listen to you either.

Mozilla didn't have to listen to them. the fact that they caved to peer pressure says a lot about the company.
again it was 8 years ago and now all of a sudden we have feigned outrage?

I find it hard to believe.

that is the cool thing about free speech it goes both ways. you can whine, cry, stamp your feet, boycott all you want. we just don't have to listen and we just ignore you.
 
yes it actually does, thats exactly what it does, are whole system works on similar premises as long as they are with in the law. Voting is just an official way of the same thing. Unless you are claiming we dont have free speech.

example. I think you shouldn't post here any more and im gonna tell everybody and boycott this site until you are not posting here any more.

are you claiming i dont have that right? I most certainly do.
You have a right to say/suggest things.
You do NOT have a right to see them done, if they violate another person's rights.

For that matter if you say/suggest some things it can get you arrested.
 
No, I believe in free speech always and everywhere. I just hope for decency and tolerance from my fellow man. You're benefiting from it now.:peace

nope you just proved otherwise you think these people should have kept their mouths shut based on your opening of free speech and not practiced their rights. lol
 
1.)yep you do and the mods on this site don't have to listen to you either.
2.)Mozilla didn't have to listen to them. the fact that they caved to peer pressure says a lot about the company.
3.) gain it was 8 years ago and now all of a sudden we have feigned outrage?
4.)I find it hard to believe.

that is the cool thing about free speech it goes both ways. you can whine, cry, stamp your feet, boycott all you want. we just don't have to listen and we just ignore you.

1.) 100% correct
2.) 100% correct
3.) it could say many things, but all those things are meaningless and nothing but opinion
4.) meaningless to rights and speech
5.) you are allowed too
6.) also 100% true. Good thing i didnt do any of those though but other people are hence this thread LMAO

rights were 100% intact in this case and thats a GOOD thing, sorry that bothers you
 
1.)No, it means that it does't matter for this specific argument.
2.)Doesn't matter, it should.
3.)Indeed...I think?
4.)Yep.

1.) of course it does. solutions matter and if there isnt one thats very key to discussion where one sees an issue
2.) why should it? it it did then we wouldn't have free speech
 
1.)You have a right to say/suggest things.
2.)You do NOT have a right to see them done, if they violate another person's rights.
3.)For that matter if you say/suggest some things it can get you arrested.

1.) 100% correct
2.) also 100% correct, good thing nobody rights were violated then
3.) also correct, another thing that didnt happen in this issue

glad we agree they had every right to do what they did
 
1.) 100% correct
2.) 100% correct
3.) it could say many things, but all those things are meaningless and nothing but opinion
4.) meaningless to rights and speech
5.) you are allowed too
6.) also 100% true. Good thing i didnt do any of those though but other people are hence this thread LMAO

rights were 100% intact in this case and thats a GOOD thing, sorry that bothers you

what bothers me is a guy lost his job for no reason. that is what bothers me. it should bother you as well.

I guess that give business owner legit reasons to fire homosexuals that donate to homosexual causes since in theory that could hurt his business with a segment of the population.
opening a can of worms like this is a bad idea. the problem is other people haven't realized the danger of it yet.
 
1.)what bothers me is a guy lost his job for no reason. that is what bothers me.
2.)it should bother you as well.

I guess that give business owner legit reasons to fire homosexuals that donate to homosexual causes since in theory that could hurt his business with a segment of the population.
opening a can of worms like this is a bad idea. the problem is other people haven't realized the danger of it yet.

1.) a guy step down and your opinion of "no reason" is just that, an opinion. Obvioulsy others disagree. Now thats just thier opinion also but im just saying. Opinions are just that

2.) it doesnt bother me at all, why would it?

this is the reality

guy did something bigoted that was 100% his right
people found out what guy did and exercised their rights
guy decided to step down

what part should i be bothered by?
its not shocking at all and theres no solution for free speech in this case.

If the guy conducted himself properly at work which he seems to have done so 100% it would be "NICE" if he didnt feel he had to step down but thats all i feel
it also would have been nice if he didnt make a donation in an attempt to deny other rights, im not "bothered" by that but i see them as equals. People could argue they are bothered by them but im not.

its just reality

he had a right to donate
people had a right to voice their opinions
his actions had consuequences

its just reality

is it perfect?

of course not but it is what it is


Ill ask you the question NOBODY can answer

whats your solution?
 
nope you just proved otherwise you think these people should have kept their mouths shut based on your opening of free speech and not practiced their rights. lol

Keep up the good work. It would appear you are your own best conversation partner.:peace
 
1.)I guess that give business owner legit reasons to fire homosexuals that donate to homosexual causes since in theory that could hurt his business with a segment of the population.
2.)opening a can of worms like this is a bad idea. the problem is other people haven't realized the danger of it yet.

sorry i hit reply before i was done
1.) as long as its legal i have no issues with it
2.) there is NO can of worms here lol this has been done countless times for countless reasons, this is absolutely nothing new, claiming it is is dishonesty. It may be new for a :gasp: "gay issue" but its not new in any way what so ever for speech having undesired results thats just silly to claim
 
Keep up the good work. It would appear you are your own best conversation partner.:peace

I will, your failed arguments make it easy. Thanks!
 
what bothers me is a guy lost his job for no reason. that is what bothers me. it should bother you as well.

I guess that give business owner legit reasons to fire homosexuals that donate to homosexual causes since in theory that could hurt his business with a segment of the population.
opening a can of worms like this is a bad idea. the problem is other people haven't realized the danger of it yet.

Don't be bothered, sometimes someone needs to take a body blow for the team so that everyone's eyes are opened.

This now signals to all normal people with hiring authority that when you hire a liberal or a homosexual you are allowing a viper out of his cage. There is no guarantee that the viper will strike you but why take the damn risk. Your life will be simpler and more peaceful by simply avoiding having a viper working near you.
 
1.) no laws were broken thanks for another failed strawman and your OPINIONS are meaningless to facts. Seem you have issues with this

Never said a law was broken.

2.) nobody buys this lie and its already been proven false LMAO repeated 10 more times it will be a lie each time.
they practiced their free speech and he isnt silenced in any way. WHy do you post lies ad make stuff up? do you think it will work?
again sorry free speech bothers you

Sure he is-- he speaks freely-- his job is at risk. Sorry- not free speech.

3.) your meaningless opinion and all FACTUALLY free speech

Opinion as to the deleterious of non-work activity- yes. Trying to drive somebody out of a job was factual. That such activity is not an example of free speech? factual.

4.) exactly your argument fails twice

It succeeded twice.

5.) then stop being upset about them practicing their rights

they did not practice their rights.

6.) facts prove you wrong again, look up the court cases, laws and people srights those people BROKE THE LAW and VIOLATED the rights of others, thier free speech is 100% intact.

Facts prove me correct.

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hank you again for proving you dont understand rights. You have the rights to sewing your fist but if you swing the fist into somebody you violated somebody else rights. Your mistake.

And the employees of Mozzilla swung their fist and made contact...

7.) see above of course they do as already proven

Not at all.

they dont have the right to break the law and infringe on others rights though, this is basic 101 stuff

No law was broken by Eich. He supported the lawful remedy in the state of California to actions by the legislature.

8.) this didnt happen nobody was forced to bake a cake LOL please stop with the lies

No lies.

and PLEASE keep repeating this ok cupid analogy that you think makes sense it further shows how little you know on this subject.

No analogy given.

9.) correct rights have no hierarchy your rights end where others begin

Well, Californians have the right to overturn an act of the legislature. Eich exercised that right.

let me know when you are ready to explain how the employees and customers dont have their right to free speech, its funny you dodge that

Beats me-- you are the one claiming free speech rights are limited-- right to swing a fist stops upon contact with another person you might recall. We know for example that workers (including CEO's) have a right to work in an harassment free envioronment-- trying to drive a employee out of his or her job because of disagreement of views seems rather harassing.
 
1.) a guy step down and your opinion of "no reason" is just that, an opinion. Obvioulsy others disagree. Now thats just thier opinion also but im just saying. Opinions are just that

2.) it doesnt bother me at all, why would it?

this is the reality

guy did something bigoted that was 100% his right
people found out what guy did and exercised their rights
guy decided to step down

what part should i be bothered by?
its not shocking at all and theres no solution for free speech in this case.

If the guy conducted himself properly at work which he seems to have done so 100% it would be "NICE" if he didnt feel he had to step down but thats all i feel
it also would have been nice if he didnt make a donation in an attempt to deny other rights, im not "bothered" by that but i see them as equals. People could argue they are bothered by them but im not.

its just reality

he had a right to donate
people had a right to voice their opinions
his actions had consuequences

its just reality

is it perfect?

of course not but it is what it is


Ill ask you the question NOBODY can answer

whats your solution?

he didn't step down he was forced out. more than likely you either do it on your own or we will do it as an executive action. really no choice in the matter.

glad you see no problem for people being forced from their job for no reason.
 
1.) as long as its legal i have no issues with it

This is a hell of a concession. California voters have a right to repeal actions of the legislature. Eich's action in 2008 were completely legitimate. No rights were being violated.
I guess we can all go to bed now.
 
Hard to imagine since I made no argument, but good luck to you.:peace

you keep pushing this lie but it fails each time.
I understand you want to distance yourself from thinking people should express thier rights unless they are decent based on your opinion but you still did and the thread proves that fact :)
 
1.)he didn't step down he was forced out. more than likely you either do it on your own or we will do it as an executive action. really no choice in the matter.
2.)glad you see no problem for people being forced from their job for no reason.

1.) links? facts? proof?
and gain even if he was as long as it was legal this is NOTHING new these things were done before either of us were born
still ZERO issue with it

2.) translation: you have no solution so you are trying to sell your failed straw man as somethign i said when i didnt. FAIL lol
if you disagree simply qoute me saying the LIE you just posted

let me know when you have a solution and can argue somethign i actually said
 
1.)This is a hell of a concession.
2.) California voters have a right to repeal actions of the legislature. Eich's action in 2008 were completely legitimate. No rights were being violated.
3.)I guess we can all go to bed now.

1.) concession to what? lol
free speech, rights, facts and freedoms?
yes i concede to those
another failed strawman by you
2.) weird can you qoute me saying eich broke the law? oh thats right i didnt, its yet ANOTHER failed strawman you are making up
3.) good move maybe after some rest youll make a post that is true and doesnt fail
 
1.) of course it does. solutions matter and if there isnt one thats very key to discussion where one sees an issue
2.) why should it? it it did then we wouldn't have free speech
For point 1, it doesn't matter because a "should" question demands no concrete proof of an actual solution.
For point 2, I forgot what we were talking about.
 
1.) 100% correct
2.) also 100% correct, good thing nobody rights were violated then
3.) also correct, another thing that didnt happen in this issue

glad we agree they had every right to do what they did

I find the use certain individuals put their freedom of speech to questionable, since it effectively cost someone who was not a politician their job, because they made a decision half a decade ago.

THAT is what I find questionable. Not the freedom of speech, but the response to such, and further, the expectation of such a response on the part of those speaking.

Maybe I'm over-thinking this though.
 
In any case, there’s nothing conservatives can do about Eich’s resignation. But they can join with labor activists and others to push for greater worker protections, like the Employee Non-Discrimination Act. For as much as employer flexibility is important to a dynamic economy, it’s also true that no one should fear firing for the people they love, the identity they claim, or the donations they make.

You're kidding, right? It's not enough to have Prop 8 thrown out by the courts. Now you have vindictive pricks like William Saletan writing on Slate.com that Eich should just be the beginning (Purge the Bigots) and you think conservatives should just roll over, hold hands with "labor activists and others," and make nice? Don't be naive. This is warfare of a different sort, but warfare nonetheless.
 
1/)Never said a law was broken.
2.)Sure he is-- he speaks freely-- his job is at risk. Sorry- not free speech.
3.)Opinion as to the deleterious of non-work activity- yes. Trying to drive somebody out of a job was factual. That such activity is not an example of free speech? factual.
4.)It succeeded twice.
5.)they did not practice their rights.
6.)Facts prove me correct.
7.)And the employees of Mozzilla swung their fist and made contact...
8.)Not at all.
9.)No law was broken by Eich. He supported the lawful remedy in the state of California to actions by the legislature.
10.)No lies.
11.)No analogy given.
12.)Well, Californians have the right to overturn an act of the legislature. Eich exercised that right.
13.)Beats me-- you are the one claiming free speech rights are limited-- right to swing a fist stops upon contact with another person you might recall. We know for example that workers (including CEO's) have a right to work in an harassment free envioronment-- trying to drive a employee out of his or her job because of disagreement of views seems rather harassing.

1,) yes you did! why do you post lies?
should i qoute you? you claimed they allowed an unsafe work environment. that would be breaking the law, again learn how to qoute and your posts wont fails so fast
2.) thank you for admitting you are wrong, you just said he speaks freely thats all free speach is he has ZERO right for there not to be consequences of his speech. Further proof you dont understand rights. Thank you for proving this fact. It is free speech and your point fails again
3.) thank yoiu again for doubling down are your complete wrong statement

example, i have every right to say i dont think you should post here, i have ever right to tell everybody and tell the mods/owner you shouldnt. and i have ever right to boycott until you are not posting here
are you claiming i dont? i Hope not

ALL factually free speech, your point fails again

4.) nope facts just destroyed it again people have every right to speech as proven sorry this bothers you.

If you disagree all you have to do is factually prove people arent allowed to voice thier opinion that he shouldn't work there and boycott while he does. all your attempts will fail and youll probably dodge this request.
5.) again facts already prove this wrong, let me know when this changes
6.) except you have none the laws, facts rights and court cases prove you all wrong. Remind us what you have on your side again that says the law, rights and court cases are wrong? lol
7.) nope, no laws were broken, his speech is 100% allowed another complete failure, example pleas, back up your failed claims with facts
8.) yes its a factually lie, if you disagree simply look up the case lol prove your lie
9.) the BAKER, please keep up lol
10.) yes its a lie if you disagree look up the case and prove it, i cant wait to read it
11.) another lie you are making an analogy that what OC cupid is doing is the same as what the customers did to the baker this is false
12.) yes he did and so did the employees, and customers
13.) there you go claiming the law was broken again Translation: you have ZERO facts to support the lie that the employees dont have free speech

facts win again and your post fails again

I bet you dodge the requests again

let me know when this changes and you have anything to support you failed claims
 
For point 1, it doesn't matter because a "should" question demands no concrete proof of an actual solution.
For point 2, I forgot what we were talking about.

1.) from a logical stand point it does otherwise you are only working in fantasy and not reality.
2.) i was pointing out if it didnt matter (you say it shouldnt) we wouldnt have free have free speech
 
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