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Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

mak2 said:
Our old system was profit based. We got ****ty healthcare care at twice the cost. What are you talking about?
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Again, that is your opinion. What experience do you have to justify that opinion? I actually ran a business with 1200 employees and we provided healthcare for them all including part time employees or at least the ones that wanted it. What is your experience?
 
sangha said:
No, it's a national issue. Has been for decades
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That is your opinion and comes from someone who has no clue where the expenses for healthcare actually go. You buy what you are told but never research it to verify what you are being told. Healthcare costs for the uninsured go to the people of the various states, not the Federal Taxpayers, Medicaid is insurance for the poor. ACA is a disaster
 
Boo Radley said:
Are you sure about that? Have you seen GM's history?

As Scandal Unfolds, G.M. Calls In the Lawyers

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/business/general-motors-calls-the-lawyers.html?_r=0

Or how about this:

Léo Apotheker's disastrous tenure as HP's CEO revealed a dysfunctional company struggling for direction after a decade of missteps and scandals. Can his replacement, Meg Whitman, fix the tech giant?

How Hewlett-Packard lost its way - Fortune Tech

Do a search and you'll find a lot more. Don't ignore that business struggles due to their own incompetence as well as government.
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Gee, thought we were talking about Romney? Now you are moving the goalposts. Don't recall those people being elected to public office
 
aobut 25, or no I guess 30 years in healthcare. No, it is not my opinion. There is a world of evidence in the form of science. Go back to school get your masters in healthcaer, read and critique lots of studies that directly relate to diverese areas of healthcare then explain to me how "providing" 1200 people health insurance makes you some sort of expert. It is so disguiting talking to some guy that ran a buisness and suddenly thinks he knows everything about everything. I do not now nor do I ever want to live in a company.
Conservative said:
Again, that is your opinion. What experience do you have to justify that opinion? I actually ran a business with 1200 employees and we provided healthcare for them all including part time employees or at least the ones that wanted it. What is your experience?
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mak2 said:
aobut 25, or no I guess 30 years in healthcare. No, it is not my opinion. There is a world of evidence in the form of science. Go back to school get your masters in healthcaer, read and critique lots of studies that directly relate to diverese areas of healthcare then explain to me how "providing" 1200 people health insurance makes you some sort of expert. It is so disguiting talking to some guy that ran a buisness and suddenly thinks he knows everything about everything. I do not now nor do I ever want to live in a company.
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I got my degree and then my Masters in the real world. How can someone like you with all that education justify giving more power to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, screwed up the implementation of a program that was passed in 2010, claims to want to get 45 million people insured and cannot tell us who makes up the 7.1 million signees? This is absolutely amazing that you buy what you are told and then never hold bureaucrats responsible for there screwups. The govt. isn't supposed to handle personal responsibility issues and our Founders created a govt. that was small in size with power left to the states. You want the Federal Bureaucrats to administer healthcare with their record? Wow
 
I know a little more than to mindlessly repeat, "Gooberment bad" If the RWers had a plan they should have trotted it out back in the 90's. They have simply sucked as much profit as possible out of the helathcaer system as long as possible. The only reason things are changing now is our old system was simply to expensive to contiue to function.
Conservative said:
I got my degree and then my Masters in the real world. How can someone like you with all that education justify giving more power to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, screwed up the implementation of a program that was passed in 2010, claims to want to get 45 million people insured and cannot tell us who makes up the 7.1 million signees? This is absolutely amazing that you buy what you are told and then never hold bureaucrats responsible for there screwups. The govt. isn't supposed to handle personal responsibility issues and our Founders created a govt. that was small in size with power left to the states. You want the Federal Bureaucrats to administer healthcare with their record? Wow
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mak2 said:
Our old system was profit based. We got ****ty healthcare care at twice the cost. What are you talking about?
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We got "****ty" healthcare? In this country? Hardly. We have great healthcare in this country, which is why so many come here to study it, practice it, and get medical treatment from it.
 
mak2 said:
I know a little more than to mindlessly repeat, "Gooberment bad" If the RWers had a plan they should have trotted it out back in the 90's. They have simply sucked as much profit as possible out of the helathcaer system as long as possible. The only reason things are changing now is our old system was simply to expensive to contiue to function.
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Did they teach you the role of the Federal Govt. in school? Show me where it is the Federal Govt's responsibility to provide for personal responsibility issues? You want healthcare sell it to your state, not to a federal bureaucrat that has helped create the 17.3 trillion debt and has "borrowed" SS and Medicaid funds leaving it with trillions in unfunded liabilities. Does that make sense to you? think, I know you can do it.
 
tres borrachos said:
We got "****ty" healthcare? In this country? Hardly. We have great healthcare in this country, which is why so many come here to study it, practice it, and get medical treatment from it.
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Yes, with all that govt intervention in the health care system, we got great health care.

Which is why the right is so in favor of govt intervention in the health care system, right?
 
Boo Radley said:
That doesn't make the suggestion you did. You said: It does seem to be presented that way. Are you expecting a parade with fireworks?


I'm not asking about your question. I'm asking what evidence you have of them not talking about it separately.
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Once again, look at the OP. Are those 7 million Obamacare alone or part Medicaid. If part Medicaid, what part?
 
sangha said:
No, it's the opinion of the american people
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Real Clear politics disagree with you, you seem to have a problem in the liberal state of NY getting what you want. Why force what you want on the entire country? How does someone in TX that is uninsured affect you?
 
sangha said:
All of the polls agree with me
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National polls mean nothing as this is a state issue so put it to the states for a vote and see how it turns out. What are you afraid of and you still didn't answer the question but then again you never do, how does an uninsured in TX affect you and your family?
 
sangha said:
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As the above chart shows, the uninsured rate has gone from a high of 18% down to 15.6%, a drop of 2.4%. In a nation of approx 320 million, that means 7,680,000 more people who have insurance

Now it's time for all the people who have blamed every bad thing that's happened to health care since 2010 on ACA to explain how the drop has nothing to do with ACA
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What that chart also shows is a net loss of about 5.1 million insurance policies in 2013 (eyeball 16.4% rate at start of 2013). So the net gain in that time was 1.6 million. That is bad news given that 3 million of the 7.7 million came from Medicaid. So it appears that the Private side of the equation had a net loss of 1.4 million insured people since the start of 2013 based on Gallop.
 
jmotivator said:
What that chart also shows is a net loss of about 5.1 million insurance policies in 2013 (eyeball 16.4% rate at start of 2013). So the net gain in that time was 1.6 million. That is bad news given that 3 million of the 7.7 million came from Medicaid. So it appears that the Private side of the equation had a net loss of 1.4 million insured people since the start of 2013 based on Gallop.
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Yes, the uninsured going down is a bad thing!

Bad for republicans
 
sangha said:
Yes, the uninsured going down is a bad thing!

Bad for republicans
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That certainly is your opinion but you haven't explained why it is a national issue since healthcare costs for the uninsured are paid by the state and local communities. I am still waiting for you to explain how the uninsured in TX affect you and your family? You see you buy what you are told by a liberal govt. who is looking for more and more power and with people like you they are getting it. This country wasn't built on that principle of a large central govt. and this one has generated a 17.3 trillion dollar debt and has trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare. Why aren't you concerned about the 250 billion dollars in debt service spent each year and going up as interest rates rise that helps NO ONE. 40% goes to foreign countries. Seems to me that money could be better served here so why not just give people a check to buy their own insurance?

There is no logic and common sense with liberalism as you cannot explain why we need UHC run by a govt. that has no history of being prudent with taxpayer money or doing anything efficiently. this is simply known as spending in the name of compassion without getting compassionate results.
 
sangha said:
Yes, the uninsured going down is a bad thing!

Bad for republicans
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What the chart shows is that the uninsured percentage went up after Bush left office and still hasn't gotten back to Bush levels even after three years of promotion of ACA. What we have seen is people losing their health insurance, having their premiums go up, deductibles going up, and people getting subsidized by the actual taxpayers. Liberalism is an absolute disaster
 
sangha said:
You're wrong again
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Again, your opinion noted but like with all issues you don't really have a lot of credibility on this issue or any others. History just isn't on your side. Figured out yet why this is a national issue? Let me help you because liberals say it is and we all know liberals appeal to the heart and always promote spending in the name of compassion. Tell me how compassionate is it to spend 250 billion a year to service a 17.3 trillion dollar debt?
 
Conservative said:
Gee, thought we were talking about Romney? Now you are moving the goalposts. Don't recall those people being elected to public office
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No moving. Romney was just an example, not the goal posts.

But for Romney:

We are checking this claim: "After purchasing the company, Mitt Romney and his partners loaded it with debt, closed the Kansas City plant and walked away with a healthy profit, leaving hundreds of employees out of work with their pensions in jeopardy."

We found, through corporate filings, interviews and investigations by other news organizations, that the statement is accurate but needs some clarification.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ad-claims-romney-bain-left-misery-wake-gst-s/

However, he is just one example. I gave you a couple more and can provide more as requested. So don't sidestep the point by trying to fain ignorance on what the topic was.

BTW, remember, you have been challenged, so step up or fold.
 
sangha said:
It's not an opinion. It's fact
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We all know that a liberals version of the term fact is subject to individual feelings. That is what you do, feel rather than think. Still waiting to see your brilliance by telling me how the uninsured in TX affect you and your family since you claim this is a national issue
 
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