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The # is >17 million
Why not say 70 million, or 700 million. That's just as credible.
The # is >17 million
Also, will anyone hold the "talking heads" to account that guaranteed we could keep the affordable insurance we had that included the benefits "we" needed and keep the doctors who we chose to provide our treatment? It was predictable that the Gov would meet the "number" some way or another. Naturally, they can't provide any information regarding new insured's versus those who were forced to get a new plan. And they can't tell us how many are receiving a subsidy, how many were forced to apply for Medicaid including how many actually were approved for Medicaid.The big question is; will anyone hold the talking heads who guaranteed that the exchanges would not hit the 7 million number to account?
Also.. How good was the CBO prediction. Half a percent error? That's pretty insane.
Ryan's budget released today, flying under the radar, assumes 2 trillion in savings over ten years from just repealing Obamacare . :lamoAhhh, watching the right-wingers in tears, flailing about blurting out random Obama attacks in a fit of rage is wonderful.
You all said it wouldn't work, couldn't work, the whole thing needed to be scrapped, you were wrong.
The only option left for the GOP is to repeal AND replace at the EXACT same time.
If this were 50 years ago, we could get er done.
Ryan's budget released today, flying under the radar, assumes 2 trillion in savings over ten years from just repealing Obamacare . :lamo
Not to burst your bubble... but I doubt it will. They will keep delaying things, people keep voting mindlessly, and dems will likely hold the senate. Shortly after that full implementation will occur, unemployment will go up and more people will lose policies. Medicare enrollment will increase and the stage for 2016 will be set with the dems claiming what we REALLY need is Universal healthcare and MORE free government cheese. And I would lay money today on them winning in 2016 as well.November is going to hit you like a ton of bricks.
Not to burst your bubble... but I doubt it will. They will keep delaying things, people keep voting mindlessly, and dems will likely hold the senate. Shortly after that full implementation will occur, unemployment will go up and more people will lose policies. Medicare enrollment will increase and the stage for 2016 will be set with the dems claiming what we REALLY need is Universal healthcare and MORE free government cheese. And I would lay money today on them winning in 2016 as well.
the only reason this dumpster fire of a bill has stayed afloat is because the president keeps pushing back ALL parts of the law that PUNISH citizens with insurance terminations and monetary penalties. When Obama starts reaching into the average joe's wallet then we'll see how many liberals are still doing the happy dance.
Those other people also vote. And every year they'll have to go through the healthcare selection in October, just weeks before November elections. So every year ObamaCare and the Democrats are going to have to do a high wire act, as the people who actually pay into the system see their money evaporate into higher preimums and higher deductibles. Just a few weeks before the November elections.
It's a huge success. A hugely successful gigantic entitlement program.
Now what about affordable healthcare for everyone else? This bill will not lower costs. Doesn't Obama care about the 150 million working Americans who get insurance through our employers?
Yes, every year they will compare the prices and deductibles of plans both on and off the exchange and as they see how the plans on the exchange are cheaper, they will vote for the people who made those cheaper plans available to them.
There are lower drug costs, insurer "take" is limited to 15% of premiums, no more pre-existing conditions or phony policies that don't pay and more but guess what? Your policy might still go up because it HAS been going up every year. Yours might go up less though and at least you know you are covered. You never really know how good your old policy was either.
If that's the way it works out, sure, and who could blame them? If it doesn't work out that way, they'll vote for the other side in ever increasing numbers, for a great long time.
If it doesn't, anything that would increase costs to health insurance would then have to come from the already over strained general fund (buried and obscured), just to ensure the Democrats political survival. That'll require an equally unpopular action: raising taxes even higher.
Democrats now 'own' US healthcare. Any dissatisfaction with any part off the insurance side or any part of the medical treatment side is going land in the Democrat's lap, rightly or wrongly. Part of the function of managing healthcare is that you inevitably are going to have to deny coverage of somethings to some people, it's unreasonable to believe that everything can be covered fro everyone. Witness the UK NHS, short on money, they are now not covering some procedures that they used to, and the people don't like. Why should they? Government takes their money and delivers less of poorer quality. What's to like? Likely same will occur here after a number of years.
It's one hell of a bet to make with the future of your entire party, that government can actually deliver a satisfactory, one size fits all solution for everyone. Not a bet that I'd have made.
What a completely doctored statistical lump of BS. Everybody knows this is an absurd lie.
And let's pretend for a make-believe moment it is true.
These are people who had insurance, had it taken away, and had to sign up again. These are young people who haven't/won't pay. These are people already in supreme need of costly healthcare. These are God knows how many liberals who gladly cancelled what they had to help the numbers. And these are curious and invested media types and others wanting to see if the website will work.
But wallow in fantasy world if it makes you feel good.
This is an infinitesimally small fraction of the 48 million uninsured that it was targeted for.
Given the results, which have exceeded projections, it appears to be working out
ACA is funded with specific taxes and not from the general fund.
And satisfaction will land in the Democrats lap, which is the GOP's worst nightmare. That's why they have been constantly lying about ACA - in order to "poison the well"
They failed
Yeah, because Medicare and SS was such a fail. People hate those programs
Krauthammer guts it.
That argument is getting weaker and weaker as the denominator grows... the argument is now bordering on a pathetic attempt at denying reality.
I'm not certain that such early projects are a good indicator of how this is going to perform over the long haul.
True at present, however, easily changed if and when it is becomes fiscally non-viable.
Guess we'll see.
It's a completely different thing, and is most certainly not like Medicare and SS, other than yet another entitlement program.
You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts
So far, the fact is that the projections have proven themselves to be nearly spot on. In fact, the results have exceeded projections.
The #'s suggest that any changes will be in a more positive direction. So far, the costs have had to be revised downwards
It's already been seen. The GOP's pitiful attempt to convince people to not enroll in exchange plans has failed.
You said something about the dems making a bet " that government can actually deliver a satisfactory, one size fits all solution for everyone. Not a bet that I'd have made."
That description applies to ACA as much as it applies to Medicare and SS. In a few years, your side will be marching with signs that say "Keep your govt hands off my Obamacare"
No, I'm not proffering any false facts here. There is much more to ObamaCare left yet to implement. Isn't the last of it supposed to kick in, barring any further delays, all the way out to 2017? If so, then doesn't this still qualify are early? It's 3 more years until 2017.
Meh. Plenty of bills are going to have to be paid, and those who are going to have to pay them for all the others, the increasing others, are bound not to happy about it, and may end up needing subsidies themselves.
I did not say that you have proferred any false facts. I implied that you are ignoring true facts
In which case, they will favor those who made the subsidies available to them.
Right into fiscal insolvency.