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Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

We all know that a liberals version of the term fact is subject to individual feelings. That is what you do, feel rather than think. Still waiting to see your brilliance by telling me how the uninsured in TX affect you and your family since you claim this is a national issue

I accept your surrender
 
Once again, look at the OP. Are those 7 million Obamacare alone or part Medicaid. If part Medicaid, what part?

I don't see medicare in the OP at all. So, again, address your claim that the two are being linked. They are two separate numbers.
 
No moving. Romney was just an example, not the goal posts.

But for Romney:

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However, he is just one example. I gave you a couple more and can provide more as requested. So don't sidestep the point by trying to fain ignorance on what the topic was.

BTW, remember, you have been challenged, so step up or fold.

Mitt Romney balanced the budget in MA and took unemployment down to a record level. You have no idea what he did at Bain Capital but have no problem posting the opinion of others. Too bad you don't hold your own politicians to a higher standard. Each year we pay approximately 250 billion year in debt service. Where is the liberal compassion in that?

I would take Romney in a heartbeat over what we have no and he has the public record that Obama can only dream about since he had no experience when he was elected and his economic results were a disaster that would have gotten him fired in the private sector. Liberals always think with their heart and ignore their brain. The brain says you don't spend 250 billion a year on debt service and then give more power to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar reported debt and trillions more in unfunded liabilities with SS and Medicare

With Business people generating debt exceeding revenue cause businesses to go out of business but in politics they get re-elected by creating dependence.
 
You're wrong again

Why the hell do you continually tell people they're wrong?

The truth is you just rationalize stupid ideas in a different manner than most normal people would.

The biggest problem with politics today is not ideas - it's how the ideas are rationalized by the individual.

Too many times politicians concoct idiotic legislation that only benefit them and their friends but sell their stupid ideas to the US taxpayers as something that will benefit them and people will just buy that nonsense then rationalize the stupid idea as something good just because some retard like Pelosi sad so...

It drives me nuts and it is so painful and upsetting that all I can do is shake my head and ignore politics for a week or two because I'm so disappointed that anyone could even buy the bull**** they're selling.
 
I don't see medicare in the OP at all. So, again, address your claim that the two are being linked. They are two separate numbers.

Still waiting for a breakdown in the 7.1 million number, how many of those people were eligible for Medicaid prior to Obamacare and simply just signed up? How many received cancellation notices and purchased insurance through the exchange thus were really not uninsured at all. With all the modern technology today and the millions spent on the website wouldn't you think that the most brilliant Administration in history would be able to breakdown the number and be honest with the American people? Fact not all those 7.1 million were uninsured nor did all of them benefit from ACA
 
Mitt Romney balanced the budget in MA and took unemployment down to a record level. You have no idea what he did at Bain Capital but have no problem posting the opinion of others. Too bad you don't hold your own politicians to a higher standard. Each year we pay approximately 250 billion year in debt service. Where is the liberal compassion in that?

I would take Romney in a heartbeat over what we have no and he has the public record that Obama can only dream about since he had no experience when he was elected and his economic results were a disaster that would have gotten him fired in the private sector. Liberals always think with their heart and ignore their brain. The brain says you don't spend 250 billion a year on debt service and then give more power to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar reported debt and trillions more in unfunded liabilities with SS and Medicare

With Business people generating debt exceeding revenue cause businesses to go out of business but in politics they get re-elected by creating dependence.

Again, not our topic.
 
Still waiting for a breakdown in the 7.1 million number, how many of those people were eligible for Medicaid prior to Obamacare and simply just signed up? How many received cancellation notices and purchased insurance through the exchange thus were really not uninsured at all. With all the modern technology today and the millions spent on the website wouldn't you think that the most brilliant Administration in history would be able to breakdown the number and be honest with the American people? Fact not all those 7.1 million were uninsured nor did all of them benefit from ACA

And I'm still waiting for you to step up or fold.
 
Again, not our topic.

Mitt Romney was introduced into this thread and the reality is his business experience, his public experience, and his results trump anything Obama has or has done. The reality is you need someone to be prudent with taxpayer money and that would have been Romney, for it certainly isn't Obama. Business experience generates that kind of experience for you cannot print money in the private sector
 
And I'm still waiting for you to step up or fold.

I have, you don't understand the answer, not surprising as you are a liberal and you want to define the debate. You want to focus on that which you don't understand and ignore the Olympics, Staples, Sports Authority, and the other businesses he helped along with the job he did as Governor. Instead you voted for an empty suit with no meaningful resume and the result show you made a mistake.
 
Mitt Romney was introduced into this thread and the reality is his business experience, his public experience, and his results trump anything Obama has or has done. The reality is you need someone to be prudent with taxpayer money and that would have been Romney, for it certainly isn't Obama. Business experience generates that kind of experience for you cannot print money in the private sector

No, he wasn't. He was introduced as an example of you wanting the country run like a business. The discussion was about business having as much trouble as the government, which you ignore, and that government should not be run like a business. Romney was merely an example. I need you to put the canned responses away and try to address what is actually being said. Just try it.
 
I have, you don't understand the answer, not surprising as you are a liberal and you want to define the debate. You want to focus on that which you don't understand and ignore the Olympics, Staples, Sports Authority, and the other businesses he helped along with the job he did as Governor. Instead you voted for an empty suit with no meaningful resume and the result show you made a mistake.

No, you haven't. You've ranted canned responses, but you have not shown that the elderly are not better off today than they were before SS and medicare. You haven't even attempted it.
 
No, he wasn't. He was introduced as an example of you wanting the country run like a business. The discussion was about business having as much trouble as the government, which you ignore, and that government should not be run like a business. Romney was merely an example. I need you to put the canned responses away and try to address what is actually being said. Just try it.

Yes, and I responded to the part of business that needs to be introduced into this country, prudent spending of taxpayer money, Romney learned that you cannot print money in the private sector so you have to be prudent and he took that to the statehouse balancing the budget. You want to ignore that reality obviously since you have never actually run a business for if you have you would understand the parts of business applicable to running a govt.
 
No, you haven't. You've ranted canned responses, but you have not shown that the elderly are not better off today than they were before SS and medicare. You haven't even attempted it.

Do you have any idea how much the elderly get from SS? Any idea what that money would have for them had they been forced to take that money and put it into a simple savings account over their lifetime? You buy the liberal rhetoric and never look at alternatives, that is why liberalism is such a failure.
 
Yes, and I responded to the part of business that needs to be introduced into this country, prudent spending of taxpayer money, Romney learned that you cannot print money in the private sector so you have to be prudent and he took that to the statehouse balancing the budget. You want to ignore that reality obviously since you have never actually run a business for if you have you would understand the parts of business applicable to running a govt.

Again, business doesn't necessarily spend prudently. I've given examples and can give more.
 
Again, business doesn't necessarily spend prudently. I've given examples and can give more.

And many do, Romney did and took that experience to the statehouse. You want to ignore that reality
 
Do you have any idea how much the elderly get from SS? Any idea what that money would have for them had they been forced to take that money and put it into a simple savings account over their lifetime? You buy the liberal rhetoric and never look at alternatives, that is why liberalism is such a failure.

Yep. And the fact is they are better today than before it. Step up and prove me wrong, or fold. No dancing around it. Do one or the other.
 
And many do, Romney did and took that experience to the statehouse. You want to ignore that reality

And many government efforts work out just fine, as I've shown. You still haven't stepped up. But I have to leave you for awhile. perhaps when I get back you'll address the issue.
 
Yes, business people are responsible for being prudent with company money, Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money. He turned a deficit into a balanced budget in MA so he had success doing what the Federal Govt. needs now. Right now politicians are spending money to keep their jobs and buy votes, that isn't prudent use of taxpayer money and why we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt

Oh, I don't believe for a second that Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money, any more than Bush was. There are no conservatives in either major party, nobody believes in fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, not borrowing from China, etc. Romney wouldn't have been any better. We need some actual conservatives in this country.
 
Yep. And the fact is they are better today than before it. Step up and prove me wrong, or fold. No dancing around it. Do one or the other.

Aw, yes, liberal compassion, 800 a month for SS when that money could have gone into a special savings account drawing simple interest and remained the property of the family. Another brilliant liberal social program that only benefits the govt. SS was never intended by FDR to even be collected, Life expectancy at the time was 63 and retirement was 65. Where does the money go when someone dies before collecting SS?
 
And many government efforts work out just fine, as I've shown. You still haven't stepped up. But I have to leave you for awhile. perhaps when I get back you'll address the issue.

No, you have proven no such thing because you have totally ignored the compassion of having a 250 billion dollar debt service with much of that money going overseas. You buy the liberal rhetoric because that is what you want to believe, that is called thinking only with your heart. There never are better alternatives in the liberal world to SS, Medicare, ACA or any other liberal social program but the only compassion goes to the bureaucrats that run those programs. Are you one?
 
Oh, I don't believe for a second that Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money, any more than Bush was. There are no conservatives in either major party, nobody believes in fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, not borrowing from China, etc. Romney wouldn't have been any better. We need some actual conservatives in this country.

That is your opinion, the fact that he balanced the budget in the liberal state of MA will always be ignored. We will never know what he would have done at the national level so we elected an incompetent with no experience at all.
 
That is your opinion, the fact that he balanced the budget in the liberal state of MA will always be ignored. We will never know what he would have done at the national level so we elected an incompetent with no experience at all.

No, he would have come to national office and had to deal with a deadlocked Congress, plus his own party pushing him to leave a lasting legacy. We might know how things would have gone down but I don't think he would have solved any of the problems we face, he might have even caused new ones.
 
That is your opinion, the fact that he balanced the budget in the liberal state of MA will always be ignored. We will never know what he would have done at the national level so we elected an incompetent with no experience at all.

Every state has a balanced budget. Every state. Every single year
 
Again, you're making assumptions. I suspect you negatively effect numbers are skewed. People losing insurance happened in those numbers prior to ACA. Linking them to ACA has been a dubious proposition at best.

Those people lost their insurance AS A DIRECT RESULT of ACA.

C'mon man, you're allowed your own opinion - just not your own version of facts.
 
That is your opinion, the fact that he balanced the budget in the liberal state of MA will always be ignored. We will never know what he would have done at the national level so we elected an incompetent with no experience at all.

He raised taxes to balance the budget. He didn't cut spending.
 
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