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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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sangha said:
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No, I hear ya, I just don't buy it...
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Sorry, my mistake on the gender. Nevertheless, saying that Washington was better off then than it is now is very much like saying that the guy who jumped off the skyscraper was just fine when he was at the 100th floor, at the 90th floor, at the 80th floor....

I was a Realtor in Bremerton at that time, and it was pretty crazy - the bidding wars for houses were like nothing anyone had seen in living memory. I should have recognized it for what it was then, because I refinanced my house...and after the GR hit, my house was suddenly $200K underwater. It was foreclosed about 3 years ago, but its value still has not approached what it was in 2005.

TB, while times seemed good in WA in 2005, they looked good all across America in the 1920's. But that doesn't mean that they were good - it means that nobody realized that the house was on fire and most people were going to get burned in the process.
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No worries on the gender thing, Glen.

I understand your point about real estate and what was happening in 2005 as far as what ultimately happened. And we don't know today what the reality of our economy will be in 6, 10 or 12 years either as a result of what's happening today.

But the reality is the poster who is claiming that all blue states are doing "just fine" and there are more jobs now in those states than there were during the Bush years is factually incorrect (which are the 2 claims he made).

I am sorry about your house. I hope it all worked out for you.
 
tres borrachos said:
No worries on the gender thing, Glen.

I understand your point about real estate and what was happening in 2005 as far as what ultimately happened. And we don't know today what the reality of our economy will be in 6, 10 or 12 years either as a result of what's happening today.

But the reality is the poster who is claiming that all blue states are doing "just fine" and there are more jobs now in those states than there were during the Bush years is factually incorrect (which are the 2 claims he made).

I am sorry about your house. I hope it all worked out for you.
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Everything worked out just fine, but thanks - :)

Again, when people are living high on the hog on credit - which is what America was doing in 2005 - that doesn't mean that we were doing that good. It simply means we were living on credit, and the bubble burst in 2008.
 
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minnie616 said:
It was always predicted that only a small portion would sign up the first year. As penalties for uninsured are collected and start to increase a larger percentage of the uninsured should sign up in the following years.
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If it's so good for them, and "It's what the American people want", why do they have to be forced to do it?
 
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j-mac said:
I don't buy that at all..I think all these numbers are made up.
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Considering all the lies the administration has told about it so far, I think you're probably right.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Everything worked out just fine, but thanks - :)

Again, when people are living high on the hog on credit - which is what America was doing in 2005 - that doesn't mean that we were doing that good. It simply means we were living on credit, and the bubble burst in 2008.
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So then on a national scale, Obama is doing the same damned thing.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Everything worked out just fine, but thanks - :)

Again, when people are living high on the hog on credit - which is what America was doing in 2005 - that doesn't mean that we were doing that good. It simply means we were living on credit, and the bubble burst in 2008.
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When housing rises everyone who has bought thinks they are experts and that the market will never go down. When the market is down many think it will never go up. The thing is to buy a house you want to live in, enjoy, and can afford. When speculating the average person is likely to get hurt.

The key to investing is always demographics, and the government never seems to recognize this at all. At least not openly. Demographics is also what will bankrupt Obamacare, as well as other social programs.
 
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j-mac said:
I don't buy that at all..I think all these numbers are made up.
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It should be quite easy for Sangha to produce actual independent data if this is no secret. How does he know that his claim is true?
 
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Travis007 said:
Bro,,,, either Sly has no ability to comprehend facts vs fiction
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Except I told the truth and supported it was facts. I'm not exactly sure why you think posting facts means a person can't comprehend fact from fiction.
Eric7216 said:
Don't forget the law was passed in 2010 and for 4 years there have been impacts from it. The insuring of children up to 26 was several years ago and accounts for some of the increase. And there are shoes to drop in the coming years that could drive up the uninsured, like the employer mandates.
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The law was passed in 2010, the but the individual mandate, which is what we are talking about now and is one of the biggest drivers of the legislation just opened last October. It's going to take a while, which is to be expected.
 
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Cephus said:
It should be quite easy for Sangha to produce actual independent data if this is no secret. How does he know that his claim is true?
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I have posted links to fully sourced data that supports my claims
 
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Nearly five million people have had their health insurance policies cancelled because of Obamacare. Their coverage didn’t meet the law’s lofty specifications for covered benefits. So they were told they’d have to secure more generous — and more expensive — insurance.
The Obamacare Law Devours Itself With Exemptions Amid 5 Million (And Counting) Cancellations - Forbes

That's a few months ago, it is up to 6.2 million now. So, 7.1 - 6.2 = 0.9. Obamacare has 900,000 net sign ups. But, just keep looking the other way, Libs.
WooHoo, keep celebrating! Just don't look over here!
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Except I told the truth and supported it was facts. I'm not exactly sure why you think posting facts means a person can't comprehend fact from fiction.
The law was passed in 2010, the but the individual mandate, which is what we are talking about now and is one of the biggest drivers of the legislation just opened last October. It's going to take a while, which is to be expected.
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This 'take a while' certainly wasn't expected by the White House, which is why they kept giving extensions and changing the rules. Starting from last October, years after the Dems forced through the legislation, was not predicted by anyone.
 
Grant said:
When housing rises everyone who has bought thinks they are experts and that the market will never go down. When the market is down many think it will never go up. The thing is to buy a house you want to live in, enjoy, and can afford. When speculating the average person is likely to get hurt.

The key to investing is always demographics, and the government never seems to recognize this at all. At least not openly. Demographics is also what will bankrupt Obamacare, as well as other social programs.
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No, what will bankrupt Obamacare and all other social programs on the planet is our humanity-wide overuse of natural resources...but that will eventually happen with or without all those social programs anyway.

But demographics won't 'bankrupt' O-care. Why? Look at all the first-world democracies on the planet - ALL of them. Do you notice something in common between them? They're ALL socialized democracies, ALL of which are more 'socialized' than America...and while most (but not all) of them had a bit of difficulty in the Great Recession, they (and we) are still on top. If demographics were going to ruin a democracy's social programs, then don't you think that by now (Germany's had single-payer health care since the late 1800's even through all their changes) at least one of them would have devolved into third-world status?

It's hard to argue with success, guy.
 
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sangha said:
I have posted links to fully sourced data that supports my claims
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Then you should be able to post a link to the message where you did that and solve all the controversy. I'm not saying you have and I'm not saying you haven't, I have no horse in this race. The ball rests in your court though.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
No, what will bankrupt Obamacare and all other social programs on the planet is our humanity-wide overuse of natural resources...but that will eventually happen with or without all those social programs anyway.

But demographics won't 'bankrupt' O-care. Why? Look at all the first-world democracies on the planet - ALL of them. Do you notice something in common between them? They're ALL socialized democracies, ALL of which are more 'socialized' than America...and while most (but not all) of them had a bit of difficulty in the Great Recession, they (and we) are still on top. If demographics were going to ruin a democracy's social programs, then don't you think that by now (Germany's had single-payer health care since the late 1800's even through all their changes) at least one of them would have devolved into third-world status?

It's hard to argue with success, guy.
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And its difficult to argue with anyone who doesn't understand demographics. In an aging population there are fewer people to pay for the programs expected by the older people. The USA is almost $18 trillion in debt and there are still people still expect to be paid when they reach old age. Who will pay them?

Besides housing, that's also what demographics are all about.
 
Grant said:
And its difficult to argue with anyone who doesn't understand demographics. In an aging population there are fewer people to pay for the programs expected by the older people. The USA is almost $18 trillion in debt and there are still people still expect to be paid when they reach old age. Who will pay them?
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There should't have been a need. If all of the money that these people put into the system throughout their careers hadn't been stolen by the criminals in Washington, there would have been plenty of money available. Unfortunately, that's not how the government has worked, they've pilfered the money for decades, figuring they'd be out of office and likely dead before the poop hit the fan and we, as taxpayers and voters, have allowed them to do so instead of holding them responsible.
 
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Cephus said:
Then you should be able to post a link to the message where you did that and solve all the controversy. I'm not saying you have and I'm not saying you haven't, I have no horse in this race. The ball rests in your court though.
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I have already slam-dunked that ball. You are free to chase after it if you wish
 
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sangha said:
I have already slam-dunked that ball. You are free to chase after it if you wish
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In other words, you never did what you claim to have done. Gotcha.
 
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sangha said:
IOW, you've got no argument to make. The best you can manage is ankle-biting.
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And yet you claim to have provided evidence, yet can come up with no link to where you actually did so. :roll:
 
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Cephus said:
And yet you claim to have provided evidence, yet can come up with no link to where you actually did so. :roll:
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You must have me confused with someone who is your bitch
 
Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

sangha said:
You must have me confused with someone who is your bitch
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Nah, I just expect people to back up their claims. Too bad you're incapable. :roll:
 
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