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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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So now what we have is the "individual mandate" being defined as "two freedoms".
 
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No, Mr Heinz! So far you're just allowed two. Maybe in 2017 there might be a third, if Harry Reid doesn't hold it up in the Senate.

I'm greedy. And it's MRS. Heinz, please.;)
 
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The Merriam Webster definition of "freedom":

the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action

Doesn't sound like the individual mandate to me.
 
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Ah, so the government is now in charge of doling out our "freedoms" as they see fit.

And once again you have been reduced to making stuff up and pretending I said it.

Well played, Ma'am!!
 
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And once again you have been reduced to making stuff up and pretending I said it.

Well played, Ma'am!!

You said we have two freedoms and we used to have one. If the ACA added this "second freedom", then it came from the government. They granted us this mysterious "second freedom".

By the way, we always had the freedom to buy insurance. We always had the freedom to follow a law or pay a penalty. Which of these is the second freedom the government gave us?
 
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You said we have two freedoms and we used to have one. If the ACA added this "second freedom", then it came from the government. They granted us this mysterious "second freedom".

I see you're relying on literalism again.

Always a weakness of the right
 
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No one is required to purchase health insurance.

People are allowed to exercise personal irresponsibility and go without it.

Or those evil rich people could actually pay for their own healthcare without ACA. Guess personal choice is only an issue with you when it comes to murdering the unborn?
 
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Or those evil rich people could actually pay for their own healthcare without ACA. Guess personal choice is only an issue with you when it comes to murdering the unborn?

Isn't 'murdering the unborn' kind of like saying, killing that which is not alive?
 
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Could you remind me Conservative, who passed the Medicare Part "D" act that requires the Federal government to buy prescription drugs at full price and is paid using taxpayers money?

Would be happy to, GW Bush, now your point? What was the Democrat proposal? what exactly did the Democrat proposal cost vs the one actually implemented? Has the Medicare Part D program initiated by Bush lowered expenses?

Oh, by the way did you support what Bush did? Interesting how you point to what Bush did as justification for what Obama is doing. Didn't realize you were such a big Bush supporter?
 
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Isn't 'murdering the unborn' kind of like saying, killing that which is not alive?

Ever see a sonogram? You believe that fetus isn't alive?
 
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Anything that has a beating heart is alive.

So, at week 6 a baby is born and brought into life by the process of birth?
 
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So, at week 6 a baby is born and brought into life by the process of birth?

Look at a sonogram and tell me that isn't a human being? You want to murder the baby, that is something you have to live with but don't tell me that personal choice with regard to health insurance is a bad thing when you condone abortions.
 
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Look at a sonogram and tell me that isn't a human being? You want to murder the baby, that is something you have to live with but don't tell me that personal choice with regard to health insurance is a bad thing when you condone abortions.

I ask you a few simple questions. Where did you get all this other information about me from?
 
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Would be happy to, GW Bush, now your point? What was the Democrat proposal? what exactly did the Democrat proposal cost vs the one actually implemented? Has the Medicare Part D program initiated by Bush lowered expenses?

Oh, by the way did you support what Bush did? Interesting how you point to what Bush did as justification for what Obama is doing. Didn't realize you were such a big Bush supporter?

I don't know exactly what the Democrat proposal was, but I do know they wanted to have the Government be able to negotiate the price paid for drugs the way the Veterans Administration does. You say it lowers expenses, how is that? Doesn't it add to the debt? According to Bruce Bartlett Part D added $318 billion to the debt in 2011.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Everyone needs to stick to the topic which is Obamacare signups. Everything else is irrelevent and will be considered as derailing the thread which will call for at the least a thread ban from here on out.
 
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I don't know exactly what the Democrat proposal was, but I do know they wanted to have the Government be able to negotiate the price paid for drugs the way the Veterans Administration does. You say it lowers expenses, how is that? Doesn't it add to the debt? According to Bruce Bartlett Part D added $318 billion to the debt in 2011.

I suggest you find out, it was more than double the GOP plan and was proposed by Ted Kennedy. When you find out what Kennedy's proposal was then suggest you find out what happened to Medicare Part D expenses. You will be surprised on both accounts but this thread is about Obamacare signups, not Medicare Part D.
 
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I see you're relying on literalism again.

Always a weakness of the right

I think the right does have the expectation that people mean what they say whereas the left easily deals with 'code words' which they can interpret any way their imaginations take them. Did you know, for example, that BHO was lying when he said you could keep your health care or did you not take him 'literally'?
 
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I'm greedy. And it's MRS. Heinz, please.;)

What a pickle! But you tricked me, Mrs. Heinz, with your unfair use of the masculine O. Please give my regards to Mr. Kerry.
 
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You need a definition for those terms? Did you go to a private school or a public school?

Your question is neither enlightening, nor relevant. Try again.
 
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6 million down 326 million to go
 
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No, let's face it, estimates are just that, reality is the war cost the Treasury 1.7 trillion over 10 years or 170 billion a year, 490 billion in benefits to veterans includes ALL veterans not just the Iraq War Veterans. What is really sad is that we are 6 years after the end of the war and after Bush left office and you are still reliving the Iraq years. Why is that? How did the Iraq War affect you and your family? I had three family members serve in Iraq, how about you?

Glad you realize that health insurance is a state responsibility for that is where the uninsured expenses rest, not the national level. Why anyone would turn a personal responsibility over to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar and growing debt is beyond comprehension. Too many people refuse to use their brain to think and instead think only with their heart

I'm not "reliving" the Iraq years, I'm pointing out that Obamacare and the war in Iraq were approximately the same cost over the course of ten years. That's an extremely conservative estimate. You mad because you assumed that Obamacare was much more expensive and figured out you were completely wrong?

So I take it you're also against Medicare, right? If health care is a personal responsibility that the government should keep out of, we can let veterans and the elderly figure it out for themselves. Don't forget disabled people. Can you believe the government gives handouts to people just because they can't walk, or are blind? The real disability they have is that they're too lazy to work, right? If you support providing health insurance to anybody - due to disability, status as a veteran, age, etc. -, then our disagreement is in who we should and shouldn't be helping, not whether or not it is proper for the government to provide health insurance at all. Maybe I'm wrong and you think disabled people should fend for themselves - after all, then you'd be thinking with your head, and not with your heart.

A country that doesn't take care of its most vulnerable people isn't a country that's worth fighting for. Yes, entitlement programs (and Obamacare) need reform, but I think your stance is disgustingly hypocritical. You'll spend, spend spend when the chickenhawks shout "war" but think Uncle Sam is picking your pocket when we try to assist Americans who need health insurance.
 
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Mustachio;1063098632]I'm not "reliving" the Iraq years, I'm pointing out that Obamacare and the war in Iraq were approximately the same cost over the course of ten years. That's an extremely conservative estimate. You mad because you assumed that Obamacare was much more expensive and figured out you were completely wrong?

Obamacare is an ongoing program and the costs will continue to rise, Iraq costs are basically over and you don't seem to get it, the role of the govt. is to protect us and like it or not the choice to go into Iraq was bipartisan. Obamacare never was. Obamacare hasn't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet on costs but since when do costs ever bother supporters of Obama? He has added 6.7 trillion to the debt in less than 6 years.

So I take it you're also against Medicare, right? If health care is a personal responsibility that the government should keep out of, we can let veterans and the elderly figure it out for themselves. Don't forget disabled people. Can you believe the government gives handouts to people just because they can't walk, or are blind? The real disability they have is that they're too lazy to work, right? If you support providing health insurance to anybody - due to disability, status as a veteran, age, etc. -, then our disagreement is in who we should and shouldn't be helping, not whether or not it is proper for the government to provide health insurance at all. Maybe I'm wrong and you think disabled people should fend for themselves - after all, then you'd be thinking with your head, and not with your heart.

Whether or not I am against Medicare is irrelevant, it is what it is, a self funding program which is part of SS. I was forced to contribute to Medicare and then was forced to take it when I turned 65. My doctor of 22 years doesn't accept Medicare so I opted out of Medicare and picked up a Medicare supplement that he does accept. Do you ever think with the brain you have? You really don't know much about the budget process, do you? We don't need Obamacare to take care of veterans and the truly disabled or people in need. Most of the 6 million or so that have been reported as signups for Obamacare actually signed up for Medicaid and that program was there long before Obamacare. Why would anyone support a govt. initiated anything since they created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt?

A country that doesn't take care of its most vulnerable people isn't a country that's worth fighting for. Yes, entitlement programs (and Obamacare) need reform, but I think your stance is disgustingly hypocritical. You'll spend, spend spend when the chickenhawks shout "war" but think Uncle Sam is picking your pocket when we try to assist Americans who need health insurance.

This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat. This govt. has made charitable giving more difficult and thus has become the entity that our Founders never dreamed up and the education system in this country has created a lot of people who have no idea about our Founders or history.

I really suggest you learn more about the budget and where the dollars go. Then figure out the true role of the various governments we have, then maybe just maybe you will get it. Personal responsibility issues are not the role of the Federal govt. they belong in the states or the local communities along with neighbors helping neighbors. This bull**** about our military spending is just that, bull****. The military budget is less than 20% of the budget and that IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.
 
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Obamacare is an ongoing program and the costs will continue to rise, Iraq costs are basically over and you don't seem to get it, the role of the govt. is to protect us and like it or not the choice to go into Iraq was bipartisan. Obamacare never was. Obamacare hasn't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet on costs but since when do costs ever bother supporters of Obama? He has added 6.7 trillion to the debt in less than 6 years.



Whether or not I am against Medicare is irrelevant, it is what it is, a self funding program which is part of SS. I was forced to contribute to Medicare and then was forced to take it when I turned 65. My doctor of 22 years doesn't accept Medicare so I opted out of Medicare and picked up a Medicare supplement that he does accept. Do you ever think with the brain you have? You really don't know much about the budget process, do you? We don't need Obamacare to take care of veterans and the truly disabled or people in need. Most of the 6 million or so that have been reported as signups for Obamacare actually signed up for Medicaid and that program was there long before Obamacare. Why would anyone support a govt. initiated anything since they created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt?



This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat. This govt. has made charitable giving more difficult and thus has become the entity that our Founders never dreamed up and the education system in this country has created a lot of people who have no idea about our Founders or history.

I really suggest you learn more about the budget and where the dollars go. Then figure out the true role of the various governments we have, then maybe just maybe you will get it. Personal responsibility issues are not the role of the Federal govt. they belong in the states or the local communities along with neighbors helping neighbors. This bull**** about our military spending is just that, bull****. The military budget is less than 20% of the budget and that IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.

A great post, thanks, and one that embodies the American spirit.
 
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