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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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I see you using acasignups.net quite a bit...who exactly runs this site and where are they getting this information? It seems even the govt can't produce such detailed numbers.

I've already posted a link to info about the guy who runs the site and you can just click on "Home->FAQ" to see it.

And the various pages explain where the info comes from (ie various govt sources)
 
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Thanks. So he touts himself as a regular guy, a moderate, but at the same time is a poster for DailyKOS, (a totally extremist left site)....I am not saying his numbers are right or wrong, but why should we be relying on just "some guy" from Michigan? Why aren't the agencies releasing their numbers to us? Why have there been some 38 delays to date?

While I appreciate your attempt, and posting of what you are using to form your opinions, I at this point, unless there is something official to back up this guy's claims, it isn't absolute fact....But like I said, at least he is posting what he finds....
 
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Thanks. So he touts himself as a regular guy, a moderate, but at the same time is a poster for DailyKOS, (a totally extremist left site)....I am not saying his numbers are right or wrong, but why should we be relying on just "some guy" from Michigan? Why aren't the agencies releasing their numbers to us? Why have there been some 38 delays to date?

While I appreciate your attempt, and posting of what you are using to form your opinions, I at this point, unless there is something official to back up this guy's claims, it isn't absolute fact....But like I said, at least he is posting what he finds....

I haven't examined everything he's posted, but from what I've seen the #'s he's posted comes from govt reports, media, etc and he posts the links to them so you can see them and decide for yourself.
 
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I haven't examined everything he's posted, but from what I've seen the #'s he's posted comes from govt reports, media, etc and he posts the links to them so you can see them and decide for yourself.

Yeah, I saw that too, and it will take considerable time, and work to find and verify his conclusions from those numbers, unfortunately as much as I would love to waste the day doing that, right now I have the wife calling me to action on a truck load of mulch.....heh, heh....So, I'll have to do it later....For right now though, the only question I have is if the government is putting out those numbers, then why do they dodge the question when asked specifically? ie; Sebilius saying directly that they don't have those numbers?

It all seems so shady...I don't know. But thanks for giving me the site again.
 
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Stunning new report undermines central GOP Obamacare claim

According to this report, only 10,000 will lose insurance due to ACA.
That ****s funny right there! :lamo

A democrat report created by democrats has decared those peopel REALLY didnt LOSE 'coverage'...because after all...

According to the report, half of the 4.7 million will have the option to renew their 2013 plans, thanks to an administrative fix this year.
Of the remaining 2.35 million individuals, 1.4 million should be eligible for tax credits through the marketplaces or Medicaid, according to the report.
Of the remaining 950,000 individuals, fewer than 10,000 people in 18 counties will lack access to an affordable catastrophic plan.

EVen though they WERE cancelled...they can graciously get their plans back. Except...they cant because the insurance companies dont offer them anymore (because the ACA makes them liable). Or hey...good news...YES it was cancelled...but you can either go on government assistance or have a tax credit to buy into the ACA (again...those people were ALREADY responsible and insured).

So...according to the democrats....they didnt REALLY have their insurance plans cancelled because after they were cancelled they can get new insurance coverage.
 
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Yeah, I saw that too, and it will take considerable time, and work to find and verify his conclusions from those numbers, unfortunately as much as I would love to waste the day doing that, right now I have the wife calling me to action on a truck load of mulch.....heh, heh....So, I'll have to do it later....For right now though, the only question I have is if the government is putting out those numbers, then why do they dodge the question when asked specifically? ie; Sebilius saying directly that they don't have those numbers?

It all seems so shady...I don't know. But thanks for giving me the site again.

From what I've seen, he doesn't have the #'s for all of the states. Instead, he has collected data from reports of several states

In other words, his "conclusions" do not necessarily apply to the entire program. To be technical, his data only applies to the states that he has collected data from. To say that the results that this subset of states have seen will apply to all of the states is not something that can be said with certainty

However, in the absence of complete data for all of the states, I don't think it's unreasonable to say "Let's go with the best data we have". It may not be representative of every state, but it's the best we have and in the absence of any reason to think that the states which haven't reported are significantly different in some way, it is also reasonable to assume that the final results will be similar, though probably not exactly the same.
 
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I've already posted a link to info about the guy who runs the site and you can just click on "Home->FAQ" to see it.

And the various pages explain where the info comes from (ie various govt sources)

So, hearsay...basically.
 
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That ****s funny right there! :lamo

A democrat report created by democrats has decared those peopel REALLY didnt LOSE 'coverage'...because after all...

According to the report, half of the 4.7 million will have the option to renew their 2013 plans, thanks to an administrative fix this year.
Of the remaining 2.35 million individuals, 1.4 million should be eligible for tax credits through the marketplaces or Medicaid, according to the report.
Of the remaining 950,000 individuals, fewer than 10,000 people in 18 counties will lack access to an affordable catastrophic plan.

EVen though they WERE cancelled...they can graciously get their plans back. Except...they cant because the insurance companies dont offer them anymore (because the ACA makes them liable). Or hey...good news...YES it was cancelled...but you can either go on government assistance or have a tax credit to buy into the ACA (again...those people were ALREADY responsible and insured).

So...according to the democrats....they didnt REALLY have their insurance plans cancelled because after they were cancelled they can get new insurance coverage.

The question my post responded to concerned the # of people who previously had insurance but would go without insurance in 2014 because of ACA. My link addressed that issue, and not the various distractions you raise
 
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Wrong again

Uhm, no. He's just some guy in a basement somewhere. Where's the official reporting from the govt on the real numbers?
 
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Hate to be bearer of bad news but it has already failed.....

Yes because Rush told you so. Such a good listener.
 
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Well, my insurance didn't change and the insurance rates went down for a friend, so if we're using personal anecdotes, Obamacare is a success. :roll:

Are you really comparing the first month of an incredibly glitchy website and a website which has mostly been fixed and in use for 6 months?

NO, the government has never given number like this before. They have always said, even earlier this month, that theyre were no number as to how many signed up. So why all of a sudden a couple of days before the end of the month, do they know.

The answer is that they don't know just as before and the number is made up. Who is going to be able to verify the number given?
 
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There's that and more

You're telling me ... Charles Gaba is a Democrat Party volunteer ... not a statistician or health care professional ... but he says he is in favor of Single Payer ... and so is Obama ... tell ya anything?

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The question my post responded to concerned the # of people who previously had insurance but would go without insurance in 2014 because of ACA. My link addressed that issue, and not the various distractions you raise
The simple fact is that people that already HAD insurance and then had their insurance CANCELLED (you know...because they were lied to) were ALREADY RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO CARRY INSURANCE. Counting them as part of the 'success story' is beyond dishonest. Claiming that well golly...it doesnt really matter that you ****ed them over because they can get something else...thats just...wow.
 
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The simple fact is that people that already HAD insurance and then had their insurance CANCELLED (you know...because they were lied to) were ALREADY RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO CARRY INSURANCE. Counting them as part of the 'success story' is beyond dishonest. Claiming that well golly...it doesnt really matter that you ****ed them over because they can get something else...thats just...wow.

The simple fact is that there aren't millions of previously insured people who won't have coverage in 2014 and no one said anything about the being a "success story". You just made that up out of thin air.
 
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The simple fact is that there aren't millions of previously insured people who won't have coverage in 2014 and no one said anything about the being a "success story". You just made that up out of thin air.
Anytime someone touts some number as a 'success (which is what the current administration is doing and is what the OP is all about) those numbers come into question. The FACT is that the Obama administration lied about people keeping their policies and that when those policies were cancelled, responsible people acted responsibly. Just like they were doing before. Your defense of the situation is equivalent to "Hey...I know I ****ed up your marriage and forced you to get a divorce, but good news...Im your new date!"
 
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Anytime someone touts some number as a 'success (which is what the current administration is doing and is what the OP is all about) those numbers come into question.

No one touted the # I posted as a success. It was accurately portrayed as a rebuttal to the lie that right wingers have been telling
 
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Anytime someone touts some number as a 'success (which is what the current administration is doing and is what the OP is all about) those numbers come into question. The FACT is that the Obama administration lied about people keeping their policies and that when those policies were cancelled, responsible people acted responsibly. Just like they were doing before. Your defense of the situation is equivalent to "Hey...I know I ****ed up your marriage and forced you to get a divorce, but good news...Im your new date!"

Not only that but the fact that they had to lower the success numbers 3 times to get to that point. there is simply no way they can declare success.
according to the healthcare industry there is only 1/4 or so of the people signed up were previously uninsured the bulk of the people signing up previously had insurance.

20% have not paid their first month premium
 
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Not only that but the fact that they had to lower the success numbers 3 times to get to that point. there is simply no way they can declare success.
according to the healthcare industry there is only 1/4 or so of the people signed up were previously uninsured the bulk of the people signing up previously had insurance.

20% have not paid their first month premium

Untrue on both counts

New York, Kentucky: FINALLY, clarity on the "Previously Uninsured" numbers! | ACASignups.net

This article is more specific: The number for NY QHPs is 59% of QHP enrollees (vs. 90% of Medicaid), and in KY is, surprisingly higher, at 75% for each!

paid_unpaid_140328.jpg
 
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