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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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minnie616 said:
According to the reports about 85 percent have paid so far.
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OP article says 80%, not 85%. And thats just those that eventually fully enroll. It does not indicate how many of those are subsidized or are getting on Medicaid.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
How many of those enrollees have paid their first months premium? How many are subsidized? How many are medicaid signups? How many of those that do pay are young? THOSE are the figures that should be looked at to see if it is successful or if it will go bellyup.

I know the article states that about 25% of the signups (note thats signups...not fully enrolled) are young, between ages 18-34, but it also states that at least 40% is required. Though honestly 40% seems on the low end to me. :shrug:
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Plus, how many who have signed up for Obamacare actually had coverage but lost it due to Obamacare? But this whole issue of 5 or 6 million sign ups is just a distraction. Even if you grant them 7 million fully paid new Obamacare signups, that is still only a fraction of those who were uncovered prior to the passage of the law and only a fraction of the 330 million total Americans. If the goal was to get care for 7 million uninsured that could have been done easily without this massive legislation that impacts the entire health care system and every single American.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
How many of those enrollees have paid their first months premium?
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Though not all of the states have reported it, the states that have reported it have reported that 85% have paid.

How many are subsidized?
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Don't know

How many are medicaid signups?
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The Medicaid signups are not included in the 6 million total. There are 6.5 million of Medicaid and CHIP signups

How many of those that do pay are young?
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I believe that the initial projections were 40%, and are coming in at 25% through the exchange and at higher rates off the exchange. Insurers differ on the ratio needed with some saying 40% is not necessary for it to work.

Young adults signing up at higher rates off Obamacare exchanges
Since Jan. 1, about 45 percent of those picking new health plans through eHealth were between 18 and 34 years old, the company says. By comparison, the all-important demographic accounted for 27 percent of signups on Obamacare exchanges the past couple of months. EHealth says its rate of youth enrollment has increased from 39 percent of signups between October and December.
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Young Signups Key For ACA Success - Top News - InsuranceNewsNet.com
But some insurers have said the 40 percent is on the high end for what is necessary to balance the pool. And after a slow start -- largely attributable to computer glitches that stalled enrollment at HealthCare.gov, the government website for enrollment -- sign-ups among young people have begun to accelerate.
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Kal'Stang said:
OP article says 80%, not 85%. And thats just those that eventually fully enroll. It does not indicate how many of those are subsidized or are getting on Medicaid.
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mac said:
How many of them were previously uninsured?
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New York, Kentucky: FINALLY, clarity on the "Previously Uninsured" numbers! | ACASignups.net

f getting health coverage for the uninsured is the primary goal of Obamacare, then New York and Kentucky seem to be doing more than their fair share of that work.

In Kentucky, 75 percent of the nearly 65,000 people who enrolled in private Obamacare insurance sold on the state-run exchange were uninsured at the time they enrolled, according to questionnaires they filled out when they applied. And 75 percent of people who enrolled in Medicaid via the exchange likewise had been uninsured.

In New York, 59 percent of the nearly 343,000 private Obamacare plan enrollees reported being uninsured when they picked their plans. And 90 percent of the Medicaid enrollments via the state's exchange reported having been uninsured.
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ASSUMING this holds true nationally (and I'm not saying that it does), but if it does, that would mean that of the appx. 5.6 million people who should be enrolled in QHPs by now, around 3.5M of them did NOT already have insurance. If my final projection (currently at 6.2M, but this could change) holds true, then around 3.84M would be newly insured.

So, what about the remaining 2.36 million people? Well, most of those would indeed come out of the "OMG!! 5M CANCELLED POLICY!!" number. Another 1.3M kept their noncompliant policies via the grandfathering extension, and the remaining 1.34 million or so presumably went off-exchange.
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mac said:
So, out of the 32 million uninsured people that Obamacare was supposed to get insurance for, maybe 3.84 million have been reached?
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Your math is fuzzy
 
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mac said:
So, out of the 32 million uninsured people that Obamacare was supposed to get insurance for, maybe 3.84 million have been reached?
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The only inescapable fact seems to be that no one really knows what's going on, including the politicians. Perhaps this confusion was inevitable when a formerly free people have to become part of government systems. Europeans have had generations of this conditioning but that has not be as true of Americans, until this recent generation.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It might be a stupid question, but I can be counted on to ask it, I guess! :mrgreen:

Are people currently using Obamacare for their health care needs, or is it still just sign-up time? I don't know anybody to ask.
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The way I understand it and I could be totally off, if you wanted your insurance to kick by 1 January 2014, you had to register on the government web site no later than 20 December 2013 and have paid for that insurance. Medicaid, I do not know how that worked. Since the first of the year you can register anytime and once the insurance company you chose received your payment, the date they received your payment is the day your insurance starts.

Now there has been so many changes what is law one day isn't the next and what isn't law today may become law tomorrow. No one knows for sure what exactly is happening and what is and what isn't. I doubt even HHS knows.

Good Morning Pol by the way.
 
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Barbarian said:
No...my insurance went bye bye.
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Well, my insurance didn't change and the insurance rates went down for a friend, so if we're using personal anecdotes, Obamacare is a success. :roll:
Mason66 said:
If the government couldn't tell us before how many people have signed up why can they all of s udden tell us with accuracy how many people signed up?
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Are you really comparing the first month of an incredibly glitchy website and a website which has mostly been fixed and in use for 6 months?
 
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Perotista said:
The way I understand it and I could be totally off, if you wanted your insurance to kick by 1 January 2014, you had to register on the government web site no later than 20 December 2013 and have paid for that insurance. Medicaid, I do not know how that worked. Since the first of the year you can register anytime and once the insurance company you chose received your payment, the date they received your payment is the day your insurance starts.

Now there has been so many changes what is law one day isn't the next and what isn't law today may become law tomorrow. No one knows for sure what exactly is happening and what is and what isn't. I doubt even HHS knows.

Good Morning Pol by the way.
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:thanks: ... :thumbs:
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Well, my insurance didn't change and the insurance rates went down for a friend, so if we're using personal anecdotes, Obamacare is a success. :roll:
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Not if you ask me....Personally, my insurance coverage levels stayed the same, but my deductible rose from $1000 per individual to $2500. My wife was dropped from my plan forcing her to pick up insurance through her employer doubling out weekly premium cost. So, my costs more than doubled.

Are you really comparing the first month of an incredibly glitchy website and a website which has mostly been fixed and in use for 6 months?
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They had over three years to get it right and it was a huge failure from day one. That they have seemingly patched it enough to work through, we still don't know if the payment part is up, nor do we have any independent overview of how things are going. All we are getting is what the administration wants to put out there....That you trust that blindly is not what I do.
 
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sangha said:
You're only counting the previously uninsured people who bought insurance through the exchange
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Are you implying that there are more than the estimated 3.84m previously uninsured who now have insurance thanks to Obamacare?
 
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mac said:
Are you implying that there are more than the estimated 3.84m previously uninsured who now have insurance thanks to Obamacare?
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No, I'm not implying

I'm stating it as a fact
 
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sangha said:
No, I'm not implying

I'm stating it as a fact
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And that fact is through the medicare/caid expansion? And you're claiming that those are not included in the 3.84m estimate, is that correct?
 
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mac said:
And that fact is through the medicare/caid expansion? And you're claiming that those are not included in the 3.84m estimate, is that correct?
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There's that and more
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sangha said:
There's that and more
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I see you using acasignups.net quite a bit...who exactly runs this site and where are they getting this information? It seems even the govt can't produce such detailed numbers.
 
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