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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Obamacare tops 6 million signups - Mar. 27, 2014Funny, no mention of this on Fox? Shocking I tell you. Shocking.

This part was interesting.
Reaching 6 million is a symbolic victory for the Obama administration following the botched launch in October.

A symbolic victory for whom? It should be a victory for the American people but 6 million people out of a population of over 300 million people doesn't seem to be that great a victory for anyone, symbolic or otherwise.
 
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The right is so desperate for Obamacare to fail. It is pretty pathetic.

Desperation has nothing to do with it.

Obama Care isn't failing because we oppose it. Its failing because its a horrible law.

If that makes your ass hurt too bad.

We DID warn you people, and everyone else that this was going to happen and that promises used to sell this disaster were bald face lies.

Our predictions were true, our analysis was proven to be accurate, we correctly stated that every Democrat politican that opened their mouths back when they were trying to sell this monstrosity was really just lying through their teeth.

So why is it our fault again ?

The beauty of ObamaCare is that we dont have to do a thing except watch it fail miserably.

Oh and watch the hilarity of countless Liberals trying to mitigate away the damage this laws doing everyday.

Thats highly entertaining.
 
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It has everything to do with it.
Actually, the desperation here lies totally with the Obamacare defenders. So desperate are you for any kind of good news about what is objectively a bad law, you start meaningless cheerleading threads like this. That's desperation.
 
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Medicaid pays the doctors at a 50% reimbursement rate for the approved costs vs. Medicare's 80%, if we are going to put the poor on medicaid and expect it to actually help them, then we must raise the reimbursement rate so doctors will want to accept medicaid patients. New Jersey believe it or not has the lowest number/percentage wise that will accept medicaid insurance, that is 40%. Perhaps you are right, it was planned this way. Why? I don't know, but what I do know is putting more and more people on medicaid without increasing the number of doctors who accept medicaid and new patients it is not solving the problem.

I was referring to both a Gallup and a Rasmussen poll which stated the ACA was hurting more than twice as many people as it has helping. Perhaps that is doom and gloom, but I always thought the idea was always to help more than you hurt. The social safety net is necessary, but I am not sure if the ACA actually classifies as one. But that is just a matter of opinion. According to a CNN truth squad, there were 14 million Americans who qualified for Medicare/Medicaid prior to the ACA, but were not enrolled. Just getting those enrolled would have solved half the problem without any additional legislation. So when I look at the ACA, I just say Hmm, figures.

Finding a doctor to accept Medicaid or even Medicare was a big problem before ACA.

For the last couple decades the majority new doctors specialized to the point where general practioners started to become almost obsolete. The ACA apparently has some carrot sticks for medical students to become general practioners and help fill some of the gaps in areas that are short of health care givers...ie: rural areas. So the law does seem to be aware of the doctor shortage problem and has some incentives to help produce more doctors and nurses.

A solution for medicaid insured might be an HMO...like Kaiser, etc.
 
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The right is so desperate for Obamacare to fail. It is pretty pathetic.

The Democrats designed it to fail. No matter what Conservatives want, or don't want, it will fail as intended.
 
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The right is so desperate for Obamacare to fail. It is pretty pathetic.

Hate to be bearer of bad news but it has already failed.....in fact it was going to fail before the ink dried.

But keep hoping for miracle libbies.
 
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Finding a doctor to accept Medicaid or even Medicare was a big problem before ACA.

For the last couple decades the majority new doctors specialized to the point where general practioners started to become almost obsolete. The ACA apparently has some carrot sticks for medical students to become general practioners and help fill some of the gaps in areas that are short of health care givers...ie: rural areas. So the law does seem to be aware of the doctor shortage problem and has some incentives to help produce more doctors and nurses.

A solution for medicaid insured might be an HMO...like Kaiser, etc.

I think the only solution for medicaid is to increase the reimbursement rate to at least match medicare. We may add more doctors, but a doctor isn't going to take a bunch of medicaid patients if they lose money on them. Some take a certain percentage of their total patients here in Georgia, but it seems each office limits the amount of patients on medicaid they will accept. The average charge around here for a doctors visit is 120-150 dollars. Medicare will pay 80% of that, 96-120 dollars with the patient expected to pay the rest or have their secondary insurance, medicare supplement pick up the rest. Medicaid only pays 60-75 dollars.

I am not too sure how hospitals work. But the problem is not the shortage of doctors per se, it is the number of doctors who accept medicaid. Which is shrinking. Adding a bunch more people to medicaid will probably help them if they can get find a doctor who will accept medicaid. Signs have gone up around where I live in different doctors offices stating they are not accepting any new medicaid patients and some have dropped their old patients. I personally think the ACA has made matters worse for those on medicaid. Time will tell, but I think the ACA is a flawed law which if Gallup and Rasmussen are right, is ending up hurting more people than it is helping. Here are those two polls if you are interested.

According to Rasmussen 14% helped, 33% hurt, 50% no impact
33% Say They

Per Gallup 10% helped, 23% hurt, 63% no impact
Number of Americans Saying ACA Has Hurt Them Inches Up
 
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I think the only solution for medicaid is to increase the reimbursement rate to at least match medicare. We may add more doctors, but a doctor isn't going to take a bunch of medicaid patients if they lose money on them. Some take a certain percentage of their total patients here in Georgia, but it seems each office limits the amount of patients on medicaid they will accept. The average charge around here for a doctors visit is 120-150 dollars. Medicare will pay 80% of that, 96-120 dollars with the patient expected to pay the rest or have their secondary insurance, medicare supplement pick up the rest. Medicaid only pays 60-75 dollars.

I am not too sure how hospitals work. But the problem is not the shortage of doctors per se, it is the number of doctors who accept medicaid. Which is shrinking. Adding a bunch more people to medicaid will probably help them if they can get find a doctor who will accept medicaid. Signs have gone up around where I live in different doctors offices stating they are not accepting any new medicaid patients and some have dropped their old patients. I personally think the ACA has made matters worse for those on medicaid. Time will tell, but I think the ACA is a flawed law which if Gallup and Rasmussen are right, is ending up hurting more people than it is helping. Here are those two polls if you are interested.

According to Rasmussen 14% helped, 33% hurt, 50% no impact
33% Say They

Per Gallup 10% helped, 23% hurt, 63% no impact
Number of Americans Saying ACA Has Hurt Them Inches Up

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It might be a stupid question, but I can be counted on to ask it, I guess! :mrgreen:

Are people currently using Obamacare for their health care needs, or is it still just sign-up time? I don't know anybody to ask.
 
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It has everything to do with it.

You know what's desperate ?

Bragging about ObamaCare's "Success" using a number that's completley devoid of any substantial context.

But whats REALLY desperate is you didn't realize you were posting bad news.

You were so excited and DESPERATE for a Obama "Success" you didn't realize that if any substantial amount of those sign ups were actually paid customers, the White House would have reported it.

All the context WE need is written all over that number.

The Obama administration's refusal to provide the number of people that have actually paid SHOULD stop a normal individual from posting that article.

But that didnt stop you.
 
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Does it really matter to you? Let's say all of them have paid, would you call Obamacare a success?

If the government couldn't tell us before how many people have signed up why can they all of s udden tell us with accuracy how many people signed up?
 
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It might be a stupid question, but I can be counted on to ask it, I guess! :mrgreen:

Are people currently using Obamacare for their health care needs, or is it still just sign-up time? I don't know anybody to ask.

Seems like we won't know that until we know how many of the supposed "sign up's" have paid for their policies.
 
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Fake News will not be caught dead saying anything that would lead any of the sheep to believe Obama can do anything productive. Let's not kid ourselves.

That is probably becauase nothing productive has happened.
 
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Still hoping for a 'symbolic victory


The actual desperation lies with those Democrats up for re-election who don't want Barrack Obama's name mentioned during their campaign.

Senate Democrats Distance Themselves From Obama as Midterms Approach

As Senate campaigns begin, some Democrats flee Obama | Reuters

Its funny because he didn't realize he was posting bad news.

The Obama adminsistration has been running adds reminding people they need to pay before they are covered.

So they know exactly how many people have paid up.

If ANY Substantial number of sign ups actually paid you know the Obama adminstratiom would have released that data along with this sign up #.

Democrats are hard up for any Good news given the damage this law is doing to their re-election chances.

They chose to not include that information for some reason.
 
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Its funny because he didn't realize he was posting bad news.

The Obama adminsistration has been running adds reminding people they need to pay before they are covered.

So they know exactly how many people have paid up.

If ANY Substantial number of sign ups actually paid you know the Obama adminstratiom would have released that data along with this sign up #.

Democrats are hard up for any Good news given the damage this law is doing to their re-election chances.

They chose to not include that information for some reason.

Because their making it all up as they go....Amazing isn't it when the MSM starts talking about how 5 or 6 million would be a good thing, magically it turns out that "oh my, we have 5 or 6 million"....It's all a lie.
 
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It might be a stupid question, but I can be counted on to ask it, I guess! :mrgreen:

Are people currently using Obamacare for their health care needs, or is it still just sign-up time? I don't know anybody to ask.

Here's a story about a guy who had his Obamacare pay for more than $400,000 worth of medical care

Larry Basich gets health coverage after $407,000 Obamacare exchange glitch | Las Vegas Review-Journal
 
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Seems like we won't know that until we know how many of the supposed "sign up's" have paid for their policies.

Or how many were previously uninsured. Perhaps it's all being run on the honor system.

Your Nancy Pelosi allusion rings true.
 
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Seems like we won't know that until we know how many of the supposed "sign up's" have paid for their policies.

Thanks, j-mac. That's kind of what I figured might be the case...They don't really know anything for sure yet! :thumbs:

Greetings, j-mac. :2wave:
 
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If the government couldn't tell us before how many people have signed up why can they all of s udden tell us with accuracy how many people signed up?

They have new software.
 
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Seems like we won't know that until we know how many of the supposed "sign up's" have paid for their policies.

According to the reports about 85 percent have paid so far.
 
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Obamacare tops 6 million signups - Mar. 27, 2014


Funny, no mention of this on Fox? Shocking I tell you. Shocking.

The latest figures reflect those picking plans, not paying their premiums.

How many of those enrollees have paid their first months premium? How many are subsidized? How many are medicaid signups? How many of those that do pay are young? THOSE are the figures that should be looked at to see if it is successful or if it will go bellyup.

I know the article states that about 25% of the signups (note thats signups...not fully enrolled) are young, between ages 18-34, but it also states that at least 40% is required. Though honestly 40% seems on the low end to me. :shrug:
 
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