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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Slyfox696 said:
But you wouldn't call it a success?
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Why would anyone call that a success when the claim was there are 40 million uninsured? How many of those people simply enrolled in Medicaid which was available before Obamacare? Seems to me that Obama supporters are looking for anything to give this incompetent empty suit credit when all he has done is create greater debt, cause major damage to millions of Americans who lost their coverage, and damage the best healthcare system in the world. Interesting how so many Democrats are walking away from such a "successful" Program that you people want to claim. Wonder why that is?
 
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danarhea said:
There is no way to know that right away. Under ACA, once you sign up, you then have 2 months to pay your first premium to the insurance company you choose, since this is pretty much a "marketplace exchange" in which insurance companies compete for your business. You pay your premium to the particular insurance company you are going with, not the government. And it could take months before the insurance companies report each of their own batch of statistics back to the government, which then must compile it all to come up with the final figures.
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And thats the point. Its a bit premature to be spiking the football. After all...Obama himself is 'signed up'. What are the odds he is paying for one of these plans?
 
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VanceMack said:
And thats the point. Its a bit premature to be spiking the football. After all...Obama himself is 'signed up'. What are the odds he is paying for one of these plans?
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My point is that would not call it either a success nor a failure at this point, but some partisan hacks in here seem to believe that they can see 2 months into the future. 6 million signups is a fact. How many are going to pay their premiums is an unknown at this point.
 
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NIMBY said:
As hard up as GOPs are for a negative story on ACA.
Over and over and over.
I'm catching on to rightie speak
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LOL !!!

Are you kidding ? ObamaCare, all on its own is perpetually exposing the massive amount of disinformation, lies and broken promises that were made when the Democrats were trying to sell it.

We Conservatives don't have to do a thing. I mean sure, we warned or tried to warn everyone that this law was going to be a disaster, but thats it.

Obama and the Democrats did the rest and I don't think it's fair to blame us for that.

You have to accept that Lies usually come with consequences and just because it was the party YOU supported telling those lies doesn't mean we have to keep our mouth shut.

You didn't honestly think Obama Care would do the things the Democrats claimed it would do, did you ?? Hell I knew Obama and every other Democrat was fibbing, I knew it would drive up cost, and force our economy into a perpetual holding pattern.

I mean what did you expect ? The Democrats Mandated Un-Quantifiable cost increases through Obama Care and Huge tax increases years before it's implementation. And right after the 2008 Near systemic collapse of our economy no less.

Did you expect the private sector to ignore that ?? Did you expect Companies to ignore the coming tax increases and cost increases until the day of its implementation ?

Wow. No, this mess is all on the Democrats, THEY OWN IT. And any criticism that comes their way is well deserved. Conservatives and any other American who's informed and objective enough to know what a disaster this is HAS TO criticize this law and the politicians responsible for it.

If we buy into the Obama delusion, and lose all touch with reality and agree that this is law is Good for America then whats stopping the next round of Politicians from doing something even more destructive an foolish ??
 
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and how many of those signups are people who previously DID NOT have health insurance? since that is the main reason Obama said we had to totally restructure the system. Answer: a million, maybe. THAT should be the headline if the media weren't the fawning snails that they are.
 
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danarhea said:
My point is that would not call it either a success nor a failure at this point, but some partisan hacks in here seem to believe that they can see 2 months into the future. 6 million signups is a fact. How many are going to pay their premiums is an unknown at this point.
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Heya Dan. :2wave: Yeah but 6 million losing their coverage is a fact too.

What do you call a program that is costing 2-3 times more than what was originally intended that breaks down, but isn't a failure or a success?

After you buy a car and find that it keeps breaking down and costing you more money than what you can afford to put into it? Do you keep that car or do you buy a new one or find an alternative? In the end.....the result would be you got rid of what wasn't working, Right?
 
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Top Cat said:
Link?
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You believe an article from CNN, is it peer reviewed? If not get back to me when you have something. :roll:
 
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danarhea said:
My point is that would not call it either a success nor a failure at this point, but some partisan hacks in here seem to believe that they can see 2 months into the future. 6 million signups is a fact. How many are going to pay their premiums is an unknown at this point.
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Sorry, we get to characterize what a sign up actually is. Especially when the WH refuses to provide any relevant information that would qualify 6 million sign ups as Good or bad.

And honestly, the fact that they refuse to provide any additional context doesn't look good for the Democrats. They're being vague NOT because they have positive data to add. They're being vague because any additional information would only further reinforce the Conservatives assertions that this law is a disaster.

It's not hackish NOT to take the Presidents word for everything. Especially when you consider his track record when it comes to....well telling the truth.

Being a Partisan Hack is starting a thread celebrating 6 million sign ups without any additional information. Sorry, people that typically oppose Obama's policies don't generally buy into platitudes.
 
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danarhea said:
My point is that would not call it either a success nor a failure at this point, but some partisan hacks in here seem to believe that they can see 2 months into the future. 6 million signups is a fact. How many are going to pay their premiums is an unknown at this point.
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So...its idiotic to trumpet this as either a success OR failure. Got it...and I agree.

Now...the fact that even if ALL paid for it, only 6 million actually enrolled in it...well...thats another embarrassing story altogether.
 
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jimbo said:
If the signup is 6 million, and the percentage is 35%, that is 2 + million paying customers, against the 7 million needed to make it work. Why is that going to be bad for the Republicans?
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It's far from over. If it for some reason works out halfway, after the Republicans have called it the "end of the world", they'll look foolish.
 
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grip said:
It's far from over. If it for some reason works out halfway, after the Republicans have called it the "end of the world", they'll look foolish.
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All they have to do is remind everyone 1) The Obama lie 2) Supposed ACA saving money (another lie) 3.) ACA creating jobs (not happening) 4.) 48 million uninsured 5.) A fatal financial flaw in the law itself, and it will cost taxpayers or insured much more than they thought.

Lastly, but certainly not least --- it's the Federal Government. Even if everything went 100% smooth there's still a 95% chance of failure because the Fed Gov has a horrid track record on running sweeping large programs. Sooner or later, it gets all screwed to hell.
 
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I will judge if the policy is working based on the upcoming elections. If the Democrats get stomped on we will have our answer.
 
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Is this thread breaking news or more ACA bs?
 
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American said:
You believe an article from CNN, is it peer reviewed? If not get back to me when you have something. :roll:
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From the guy who quotes Bill Kristol's rag Weakly Sustanturd no less.
 
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CalGun said:
Yeah I know, what can I say about FOX, they like to verify their facts before publishing them!
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Holy ****. This line is signature material. Thanks for the laughs. You here all week?
 
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Six million people signing up will make it more difficult for Republicans to repeal ACA.
 
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NIMBY said:
You, canman, used the word Goebbels directly with the White House.
On this forum, most of your conservative lean doesn't appreciate that, though some will like it, saying very little for them.

You don't get to use Goebbels and Obama, then try to squirm away saying I'm calling you 3rd grade names when that is exactly what you did.
I will call you out every time you play the NAZI card, as I've done .
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And you'll be wrong every time.
 
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Moot said:
Six million people signing up will make it more difficult for Republicans to repeal ACA.
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Its less than 2% of the population.
 
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I watched the first 51 minutes of Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning. They covered:

Chris Christie
Jeb Bush
Justin Bieber and breakfast menus
An open letter to Gwyneth Paltrow in the NY Post
Congressman Mike Rogers (R-MI) announcment that he won't run for re-election
Eva Longorio being on the cover of this weekend's Parade Magazine
Basketball playoffs
Snow in the mountains of New England

And other important stories. And except for 2 mentions by Mika (bouncing out of her chair) that 6 million have signed up, nothing else. In the first 51 minutes of the show, no coverage.

Hmmm......sorry, Top Cat, but even your leaders at MSNBC don't find this noteworthy.

Interesting. Obama's biggest media cheerleaders didn't make this their headline story. Eva Longorio is more important?
 
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Well, they finally devoted a whopping 60 seconds to the story at the 1 hour 6 minute mark! They had a panel of 5 on, including Chris Matthews, who was the only one who talked about it with Joe & Mika. And what was Matthews' take on it? I'm paraphrasing here because I didn't write down his exact words but you can see them on video later I'm sure.

He said the problem is that the ACA was aimed at the "working poor" who he described as people with jobs who take the bus to work but can't afford to buy insurance. He said the "non-working poor" weren't the target of the ACA and their inclusion isn't going to be the basis for success. He went on to say that the "working poor" should be front & center, jumping up & down cheering about how great the ACA is and how it helped them - and they aren't.

Even Chris Matthews knows what a joke this story is.:lamo
 
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Moot said:
Six million people signing up will make it more difficult for Republicans to repeal ACA.
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Why exactly is that? How about a breakdown of those 6 million and how many exactly has paid the premium? How many are people who were dropped from their insurance, how many were eligible for Medicaid even before Obamacare, how many actually paid anything? With the claim of 40 million uninsured, do you really think this is stellar information?
 
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TurtleDude said:
No more than I would call any other clearly unconstitutional power grab by congress a success
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Conservative said:
Why would anyone call that a success when the claim was there are 40 million uninsured?
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Funny enough, I wasn't asking either of you, so you responding to my question without the knowledge of why I asked was a waste of both of our times. Good job.

But thank you for proving what I suspected, which is there are some people who will ALWAYS put the program down because it was a Democrat who passed it, no matter whether it is incredibly successful or not.
 
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Conservative said:
Why exactly is that? How about a breakdown of those 6 million and how many exactly has paid the premium? How many are people who were dropped from their insurance, how many were eligible for Medicaid even before Obamacare, how many actually paid anything? With the claim of 40 million uninsured, do you really think this is stellar information?
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48 million, actually.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Funny enough, I wasn't asking either of you, so you responding to my question without the knowledge of why I asked was a waste of both of our times. Good job.

But thank you for proving what I suspected, which is there are some people who will ALWAYS put the program down because it was a Democrat who passed it, no matter whether it is incredibly successful or not.
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Wrong, we put the program down because it is a failure, poorly created and poorly implemented. It isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to provide personal responsibility issues, that is the role of the state and local communities. How anyone can call 6 million a success is beyond comprehension and nothing more than partisan bs. There were a reported 40 million uninsured and the number enrolled is 6 million yet no one knows the make up of those 6 million. That indicate a success to you?
 
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